Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 09:53 - Aug 6 with 901 views | Darth_Koont |
So they don't have the right to defend themselves from occupation and fight their oppressors? Is the reason they're treated differently from the Ukrainians because they are brown and/or muslim? Serious question and not a pop at you actually but at the narrative that most people unconsciously accept. | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 09:56 - Aug 6 with 890 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 09:53 - Aug 6 by Darth_Koont | So they don't have the right to defend themselves from occupation and fight their oppressors? Is the reason they're treated differently from the Ukrainians because they are brown and/or muslim? Serious question and not a pop at you actually but at the narrative that most people unconsciously accept. |
To turn that another way. I think you and I both know why Israeli state action against Palestinians is treated differently to Russian actions against Ukrainians. | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:00 - Aug 6 with 880 views | Darth_Koont |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 09:56 - Aug 6 by Cheltenham_Blue | To turn that another way. I think you and I both know why Israeli state action against Palestinians is treated differently to Russian actions against Ukrainians. |
Sadly, yes. Because even though they're diametrically opposed and morally inconsistent, both reactions support our regional/sphere of influence self-interest. Ditto helping Saudi Arabia bomb the f out of Yemeni civilians in the name of freedom. | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:08 - Aug 6 with 830 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 09:53 - Aug 6 by Darth_Koont | So they don't have the right to defend themselves from occupation and fight their oppressors? Is the reason they're treated differently from the Ukrainians because they are brown and/or muslim? Serious question and not a pop at you actually but at the narrative that most people unconsciously accept. |
I didn’t say that at all, not really sure how you made that leap - just that it’s a depressing cycle of violence. | | | |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:09 - Aug 6 with 823 views | Darth_Koont |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:08 - Aug 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna | I didn’t say that at all, not really sure how you made that leap - just that it’s a depressing cycle of violence. |
Sure. But we side with the oppressors. | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:10 - Aug 6 with 817 views | pointofblue |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 09:53 - Aug 6 by Darth_Koont | So they don't have the right to defend themselves from occupation and fight their oppressors? Is the reason they're treated differently from the Ukrainians because they are brown and/or muslim? Serious question and not a pop at you actually but at the narrative that most people unconsciously accept. |
The only difference is Hamas would happily wipe Israel off the map given the opportunity. That has never been the case with Ukraine towards Russia (though, under Putin’s recent moves, I think he’d happily wipe Ukraine off the map), or Yemen towards Saudi Arabia. That, of course, goes back to the way Israel was created. Actions in the Middle East are down to mutual distrust, fear and hatred. | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:12 - Aug 6 with 807 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:09 - Aug 6 by Darth_Koont | Sure. But we side with the oppressors. |
I haven’t sided with anyone? | | | | Login to get fewer ads
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:13 - Aug 6 with 803 views | Darth_Koont |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:10 - Aug 6 by pointofblue | The only difference is Hamas would happily wipe Israel off the map given the opportunity. That has never been the case with Ukraine towards Russia (though, under Putin’s recent moves, I think he’d happily wipe Ukraine off the map), or Yemen towards Saudi Arabia. That, of course, goes back to the way Israel was created. Actions in the Middle East are down to mutual distrust, fear and hatred. |
Why have we picked a side though? Even without the fighting, the occupation is an apartheid system. | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:19 - Aug 6 with 767 views | Darth_Koont |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:12 - Aug 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna | I haven’t sided with anyone? |
You know what I mean. We, as in the UK, side with Israel, Saudi Arabia and other regimes to directly or indirectly support continued oppression. But for some reason that can be seen as "good" or acceptable and rational oppression. Not that it's ever discussed by anyone in our politics or media. | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:22 - Aug 6 with 742 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:19 - Aug 6 by Darth_Koont | You know what I mean. We, as in the UK, side with Israel, Saudi Arabia and other regimes to directly or indirectly support continued oppression. But for some reason that can be seen as "good" or acceptable and rational oppression. Not that it's ever discussed by anyone in our politics or media. |
The Saudis are just as insidious as Russia and China. My cynical view is the west back them:- 1-as a huge producer of oil 2-as a regional power counter balance to Iran. | | | |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:25 - Aug 6 with 738 views | Darth_Koont |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:22 - Aug 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna | The Saudis are just as insidious as Russia and China. My cynical view is the west back them:- 1-as a huge producer of oil 2-as a regional power counter balance to Iran. |
Why is that acceptable to the people of the UK? | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:49 - Aug 6 with 653 views | chicoazul |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:25 - Aug 6 by Darth_Koont | Why is that acceptable to the people of the UK? |
Because we need oil and it’s good to have friends. I hate the Saudi despotism and have said so many times on here but facts is facts. We’ve gone to war over less in the past. If we only deal with nice people we’ll be isolated very quickly. I agree with you about the confluence of Ukraine and Palestine. | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:56 - Aug 6 with 641 views | Darth_Koont |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:49 - Aug 6 by chicoazul | Because we need oil and it’s good to have friends. I hate the Saudi despotism and have said so many times on here but facts is facts. We’ve gone to war over less in the past. If we only deal with nice people we’ll be isolated very quickly. I agree with you about the confluence of Ukraine and Palestine. |
Problem is that we did the same with Russia and Putin. Nobody really gave a monkey's when they annexed Crimea in 2014 because they were seen as useful/profitable/"on message". https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/23/tony-blair-ukraine-putin-_n_5196236. | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 11:13 - Aug 6 with 617 views | leitrimblue |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 10:08 - Aug 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna | I didn’t say that at all, not really sure how you made that leap - just that it’s a depressing cycle of violence. |
Sounds a tad Corbynesqe | | | |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 11:17 - Aug 6 with 607 views | Darth_Koont | And a neat connection to today's opponents:
Good luck to him and FGR more generally. Although only after we take them to the fecking cleaners today ... | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 12:06 - Aug 6 with 497 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 11:17 - Aug 6 by Darth_Koont | And a neat connection to today's opponents:
Good luck to him and FGR more generally. Although only after we take them to the fecking cleaners today ... |
He used to be one of them there new age hippy traveller types....clearly a wrong'un! | |
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Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 12:19 - Aug 6 with 472 views | leitrimblue |
Israel in the mood for a fight then... on 12:06 - Aug 6 by BanksterDebtSlave | He used to be one of them there new age hippy traveller types....clearly a wrong'un! |
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