| Why do we have to have a head of state? 09:01 - Sep 11 with 4721 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The choice is always presented as monarch or president but why can't it be neither? |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:51 - Sep 11 with 907 views | noggin |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:49 - Sep 11 by leitrimblue |
What about some kinda crazy system where everyone in society has equal access to all the resources needed for a happy and successful life? |
You silly old Marxist. That wouldn't work. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:52 - Sep 11 with 907 views | Mookamoo |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:38 - Sep 11 by Radlett_blue |
There is no reason to give titles to current citizens, beyond it being a useful and potentially corrupt way of keeping people or businesses on-side with the government or the establishment.
If you think ordinary citizens should be honoured, fair enough, maybe you think they should be given a medal, but that potentially creates problems with honours then being removed from miscreants. |
There could still be an honours system, but it must surely be time it is moved away from the idea of empire. Something similar to the French Legion of Honour.
And also stop giving it to to toffs who just happened to fall into positions of authority straight out of Eton and Harrow and sports stars for just being good at sport. |  | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:52 - Sep 11 with 909 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:35 - Sep 11 by ZXBlue |
The US Supreme court is a joke, because judges should never be political appointments. |
The US system was designed to provide checks and balances. To share power and responsibility.
Almost as if they didn’t trust themselves. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:57 - Sep 11 with 881 views | Guthrum |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:52 - Sep 11 by Pinewoodblue |
The US system was designed to provide checks and balances. To share power and responsibility.
Almost as if they didn’t trust themselves. |
Any system can be twisted and abused by those determined enough to do so. However, having more and better structures and balances makes it much harder. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:57 - Sep 11 with 878 views | leitrimblue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:51 - Sep 11 by noggin |
You silly old Marxist. That wouldn't work. |
Sorry, was a foolish idea |  | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:02 - Sep 11 with 853 views | Radlett_blue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:35 - Sep 11 by ZXBlue |
The US Supreme court is a joke, because judges should never be political appointments. |
The President appoints Supreme Court justices when a vacancy arises. His nominations have to be approved by the Senate. Theoretically a sound system, as long as you don't have a lunatic like Donald Trump as President , although sadly these appointments seem to have become more political, probably reflecting the greater divisiveness of US politics. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:10 - Sep 11 with 846 views | Simonds92 |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:49 - Sep 11 by leitrimblue |
What about some kinda crazy system where everyone in society has equal access to all the resources needed for a happy and successful life? |
I can see your point, communism has been a roaring success in all the countries that have adopted this way of thinking. |  | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:11 - Sep 11 with 838 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Being head of state could be a prize on This Morning. If your NHS number comes up you're HoS for a year. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:13 - Sep 11 with 833 views | Mookamoo |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:02 - Sep 11 by Radlett_blue |
The President appoints Supreme Court justices when a vacancy arises. His nominations have to be approved by the Senate. Theoretically a sound system, as long as you don't have a lunatic like Donald Trump as President , although sadly these appointments seem to have become more political, probably reflecting the greater divisiveness of US politics. |
That is why it doesn't work. If the President and the Senate are both elected by the same body of people, they will never be independent of each other. They can tweak their system to make it that the justices don't have life long positions to ensure a more varied court, but they don't appear to want to.
If we are to change the position of our Head of State, there has to be that separation. | | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:20 - Sep 11 with 818 views | leitrimblue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:10 - Sep 11 by Simonds92 |
I can see your point, communism has been a roaring success in all the countries that have adopted this way of thinking. |
Who said anything about communism? My line came from anthropology. Perhaps check out Marshall Sahlins Original Affluent Society. | | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:22 - Sep 11 with 822 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 09:08 - Sep 11 by chicoazul |
And replaced with what? |
PR. That’s a serious response by the way.
Actually having a representative democracy in the true sense of the words would start to break up the power structures that have kept the UK serving the interests of those who make up and control those structures. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:25 - Sep 11 with 805 views | noggin |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:10 - Sep 11 by Simonds92 |
I can see your point, communism has been a roaring success in all the countries that have adopted this way of thinking. |
Only you mentioned anything about communism. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:39 - Sep 11 with 777 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:10 - Sep 11 by Simonds92 |
I can see your point, communism has been a roaring success in all the countries that have adopted this way of thinking. |
Social democracy has been much more of a success than communism or whatever the UK system is (neoliberal oligarchy with sprinkles?).
The UK’s own post-War social democracy (of its time anyway), also gave modern Britain many of its current social and economic benefits from greater social mobility, universal healthcare, education and for a period housing. And few of the current drawbacks of a deregulated, free market where wealth and opportunity are being hoovered upwards and away from the most in need. Not to mention making the younger generations much worse off now and seemingly in the future too.
In recent times, we’ve stopped evolving and progressing as a society and as a majority of individuals. People are waking up to that more and more, I think. With the disillusionment and disenfranchisement that’s been festering for years, the important thing is to not keep sliding even further into right-wing populism and identity nonsense which suits the powerful down to the ground. Not least because the divide and conquer approach is the easiest way for them to stay in power. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:51 - Sep 11 with 759 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:39 - Sep 11 by Darth_Koont |
Social democracy has been much more of a success than communism or whatever the UK system is (neoliberal oligarchy with sprinkles?).
The UK’s own post-War social democracy (of its time anyway), also gave modern Britain many of its current social and economic benefits from greater social mobility, universal healthcare, education and for a period housing. And few of the current drawbacks of a deregulated, free market where wealth and opportunity are being hoovered upwards and away from the most in need. Not to mention making the younger generations much worse off now and seemingly in the future too.
In recent times, we’ve stopped evolving and progressing as a society and as a majority of individuals. People are waking up to that more and more, I think. With the disillusionment and disenfranchisement that’s been festering for years, the important thing is to not keep sliding even further into right-wing populism and identity nonsense which suits the powerful down to the ground. Not least because the divide and conquer approach is the easiest way for them to stay in power. |
“Not to mention making the younger generations much worse off now and seemingly in the future too.”
I’d be interested to know, as I’ve not much experience of Scandinavia in particular, is this the same case there, or are the younger generations better off. I’ve spent quite a bit of time in Germany and know many Germans having worked for a German company, the prevailing sentiment is much the same as here. Youngsters are largely unable to afford to buy a home until their 40s (granted there are regional differentiations as here). They also face a general rise in the cost of living.
My observations of this phenomenon in much of Western Europe, and a lesser extent in the US is that we never fully recovered from the GFC. All face the cost of supporting ageing populations, and rapidly (compared to say 50s-90s populations putting pressure on housing supply. I guess the point is we need a fundemental rethink as to how we deal with pensions, housing and healthcare. | | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 12:05 - Sep 11 with 748 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:51 - Sep 11 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“Not to mention making the younger generations much worse off now and seemingly in the future too.”
I’d be interested to know, as I’ve not much experience of Scandinavia in particular, is this the same case there, or are the younger generations better off. I’ve spent quite a bit of time in Germany and know many Germans having worked for a German company, the prevailing sentiment is much the same as here. Youngsters are largely unable to afford to buy a home until their 40s (granted there are regional differentiations as here). They also face a general rise in the cost of living.
My observations of this phenomenon in much of Western Europe, and a lesser extent in the US is that we never fully recovered from the GFC. All face the cost of supporting ageing populations, and rapidly (compared to say 50s-90s populations putting pressure on housing supply. I guess the point is we need a fundemental rethink as to how we deal with pensions, housing and healthcare. |
Scandinavia and Germany have dabbled in the neoliberal/boom & bust approach so I don’t think that young Swedes for example are better off than 20 years ago with the way housing prices have gone up.
But the base in the UK is way below that. In the UK it’s long been expensive flat and house-sharing in generally lower-quality property that’s been the first step for many as they move away from home and into the world. And the gap between average wages and an average mortgage is still much, much greater.
By the way, I think Germans are still much more likely to rent out of choice rather than necessity so not sure the inability to buy is as critical a problem as it is in the UK, where people are trapped paying miles over the odds for often shoddy and fairly limited accomodation.
But agree that a fundemental rethink re: caring for our society, base living standards and what is best for all citizens now and in the future is loooong overdue. Whatever we’re seemingly so desperate to hold onto isn’t working for society by any metric. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 12:09 - Sep 11 with 735 views | PrrrromotionGiven |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 09:05 - Sep 11 by chicoazul |
While this is a fair comment don’t you think things would be *worse* for, for instance, children of the working classes if there weren’t some form of checks and balances on the born to rule Oxbridge LSE metropolitan elite of this country? |
The Monarchs in this country don't provide that role either. They are functionally powerless. | | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 12:10 - Sep 11 with 733 views | ZXBlue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:02 - Sep 11 by Radlett_blue |
The President appoints Supreme Court justices when a vacancy arises. His nominations have to be approved by the Senate. Theoretically a sound system, as long as you don't have a lunatic like Donald Trump as President , although sadly these appointments seem to have become more political, probably reflecting the greater divisiveness of US politics. |
Note remotely sound as it fails to apply the principle of separation of powers. The legislature is appointing judges, immediately inviting the prospect of loading the court in a particular manner and politicising judges whou ought to be independent. | | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 12:11 - Sep 11 with 729 views | ZXBlue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 12:05 - Sep 11 by Darth_Koont |
Scandinavia and Germany have dabbled in the neoliberal/boom & bust approach so I don’t think that young Swedes for example are better off than 20 years ago with the way housing prices have gone up.
But the base in the UK is way below that. In the UK it’s long been expensive flat and house-sharing in generally lower-quality property that’s been the first step for many as they move away from home and into the world. And the gap between average wages and an average mortgage is still much, much greater.
By the way, I think Germans are still much more likely to rent out of choice rather than necessity so not sure the inability to buy is as critical a problem as it is in the UK, where people are trapped paying miles over the odds for often shoddy and fairly limited accomodation.
But agree that a fundemental rethink re: caring for our society, base living standards and what is best for all citizens now and in the future is loooong overdue. Whatever we’re seemingly so desperate to hold onto isn’t working for society by any metric. |
This buzzword "neo liberal" is pretty meaningless. Its seems ot be used as some implicit criticism of anything which is not essentially communist or fascist! | | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 12:30 - Sep 11 with 704 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 12:11 - Sep 11 by ZXBlue |
This buzzword "neo liberal" is pretty meaningless. Its seems ot be used as some implicit criticism of anything which is not essentially communist or fascist! |
I think you’re projecting. I know what neoliberalism is and why I am using the term here. | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 12:48 - Sep 11 with 673 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 12:05 - Sep 11 by Darth_Koont |
Scandinavia and Germany have dabbled in the neoliberal/boom & bust approach so I don’t think that young Swedes for example are better off than 20 years ago with the way housing prices have gone up.
But the base in the UK is way below that. In the UK it’s long been expensive flat and house-sharing in generally lower-quality property that’s been the first step for many as they move away from home and into the world. And the gap between average wages and an average mortgage is still much, much greater.
By the way, I think Germans are still much more likely to rent out of choice rather than necessity so not sure the inability to buy is as critical a problem as it is in the UK, where people are trapped paying miles over the odds for often shoddy and fairly limited accomodation.
But agree that a fundemental rethink re: caring for our society, base living standards and what is best for all citizens now and in the future is loooong overdue. Whatever we’re seemingly so desperate to hold onto isn’t working for society by any metric. |
Worth re linking this....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/09/a-new-way-of-life-the-marxist-post | |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:10 - Sep 11 with 646 views | jeera |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:10 - Sep 11 by Simonds92 |
I can see your point, communism has been a roaring success in all the countries that have adopted this way of thinking. |
It's interesting if people read words that spell out equality and automatically see communism.
Equality shouldn't be seen as something to fear which is of course the root problem.
The 'haves' frightened they may have to share a little of what they've taken out of society with other members of that same society. [Post edited 11 Sep 2022 13:17]
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:12 - Sep 11 with 639 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 09:18 - Sep 11 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Who knows.....clearly the overriding narrative is that we are not to be trusted. |
Yeah but we both voted for Brexit so maybe they gave a point. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:26 - Sep 11 with 629 views | ZXBlue |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:10 - Sep 11 by jeera |
It's interesting if people read words that spell out equality and automatically see communism.
Equality shouldn't be seen as something to fear which is of course the root problem.
The 'haves' frightened they may have to share a little of what they've taken out of society with other members of that same society. [Post edited 11 Sep 2022 13:17]
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"everyone in society has equal access to all the resources needed for a happy and successful life? "
What bit of that is not communism? Equal access to everything needed for happiness and success. Not just social basics, but everything necessary for happiness and success.... | | | |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:28 - Sep 11 with 629 views | chicoazul |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 11:22 - Sep 11 by Darth_Koont |
PR. That’s a serious response by the way.
Actually having a representative democracy in the true sense of the words would start to break up the power structures that have kept the UK serving the interests of those who make up and control those structures. |
There you go lads, that’s how you answer that question and get taken seriously, rather than providing soundbites and cliches for upvotes from your fellow travellers. |  |
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| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 13:29 - Sep 11 with 621 views | buoyant |
| Why do we have to have a head of state? on 10:50 - Sep 11 by ZXBlue |
Its an honour in recognition of achievement or service. No obvious harm in that. |
It's subjective and prejudiced, but hey let's just ignore that bit. |  |
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