| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 22:55 - Jan 26 with 1672 views | Freddies_Ears |
Horrible, tragic story. I felt the same as you when I read it. |  | |  |
| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 23:06 - Jan 26 with 1628 views | Illinoisblue |
That is tragic. There’s slipping through the net, and there’s really really slipping through. A horrible situation but there’s a lot of questions for her family. Also, who was paying her rent all that time? |  |
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| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 09:07 - Jan 27 with 1373 views | Swansea_Blue |
I suppose the “aggressively reject them” bit is a clue to what happened there. Tragic case. |  |
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| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 10:48 - Jan 27 with 1291 views | Guthrum |
| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 09:07 - Jan 27 by Swansea_Blue |
I suppose the “aggressively reject them” bit is a clue to what happened there. Tragic case. |
From personal experience of a friend with schitzophrenia, it's not entirely easy to stay in touch. |  |
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| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 10:52 - Jan 27 with 1284 views | itfcjoe |
A very sad story, but I imagine whilst the poor lady was laying their dying she felt more let down and abandoned by her family than she did the state.
When the sister talks about "not wanting other families to suffer like they have" it does stick in the throat somewhat |  |
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| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 13:43 - Jan 27 with 1182 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 10:52 - Jan 27 by itfcjoe |
A very sad story, but I imagine whilst the poor lady was laying their dying she felt more let down and abandoned by her family than she did the state.
When the sister talks about "not wanting other families to suffer like they have" it does stick in the throat somewhat |
Think you and the OP (and a couple of others) have missed the point, as Swannera and Guthers have said above.
To be fair, that was my initial response too. But when you read it was her that pushed THEM away, then it's doubly tragic for the family. They lost a loved one to schizophrenia before they lost her to death. My mum had a similar situation with one of her sisters - eventually my mum gave up trying to get them talking again, after having it continuously thrown back in her face. There's only so much you can do. |  |
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| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 13:47 - Jan 27 with 1176 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 10:48 - Jan 27 by Guthrum |
From personal experience of a friend with schitzophrenia, it's not entirely easy to stay in touch. |
indeed. I've a cousin who rejected his family. I'm not sure they even know where he is - if you don't want to be found or contacted, there's not a lot the family can do. Where's the safety net when people do isolate themselves? I suppose it the same with kids that run away from home and end up on the streets. | |
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| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 13:49 - Jan 27 with 1172 views | DanTheMan |
| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 13:43 - Jan 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Think you and the OP (and a couple of others) have missed the point, as Swannera and Guthers have said above.
To be fair, that was my initial response too. But when you read it was her that pushed THEM away, then it's doubly tragic for the family. They lost a loved one to schizophrenia before they lost her to death. My mum had a similar situation with one of her sisters - eventually my mum gave up trying to get them talking again, after having it continuously thrown back in her face. There's only so much you can do. |
From what my wife described of her time dealing with people who were schizophrenic, there really is very little you can do if they are being aggressive other than hope the medication works. It's not small amounts of abuse they give out, it can be near constant, physical and verbal.
What's worse is that even in the first few lines it indicates she hit rock bottom because she got sectioned (which isn't at all easy to do). However, they go into a mental health hospital, usually get better, get released and that's the end of the help. Little follow up, better hope they keep taking their medication otherwise they'll be right back into care.
Terribly sad story and the state really should have done more to help a terribly vulnerable person. |  |
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| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 14:22 - Jan 27 with 1075 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 13:49 - Jan 27 by DanTheMan |
From what my wife described of her time dealing with people who were schizophrenic, there really is very little you can do if they are being aggressive other than hope the medication works. It's not small amounts of abuse they give out, it can be near constant, physical and verbal.
What's worse is that even in the first few lines it indicates she hit rock bottom because she got sectioned (which isn't at all easy to do). However, they go into a mental health hospital, usually get better, get released and that's the end of the help. Little follow up, better hope they keep taking their medication otherwise they'll be right back into care.
Terribly sad story and the state really should have done more to help a terribly vulnerable person. |
Whether it be State or family you would think that somebody might have had a careful look through the letterbox sooner than the brother 3 1/2 years later. |  |
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| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 14:24 - Jan 27 with 1071 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 14:22 - Jan 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Whether it be State or family you would think that somebody might have had a careful look through the letterbox sooner than the brother 3 1/2 years later. |
Yeah, I struggle to see how *nobody* ever checked. Even the postman must have had trouble fitting any more letters through the letterbox at some point. Not that I'm blaming the postie! | |
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| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 14:24 - Jan 27 with 1070 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
It's both isn't it.
Any involved state agencies have clearly failed here but that poor woman has also been let down by her family just as badly
At least IMO |  |
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| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 14:28 - Jan 27 with 1059 views | DanTheMan |
| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 14:22 - Jan 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Whether it be State or family you would think that somebody might have had a careful look through the letterbox sooner than the brother 3 1/2 years later. |
There have for sure been some major failings here, but we've absolutely gutted the care system over the past decade so this really does not surprise me. We care for people with mental health conditions poorly. Most of the money we do spend is spent on fixing them just enough to get them back out the door of various institutions and then they are given no help to continue being healthy. | |
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| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 20:00 - Jan 27 with 945 views | Bent_double |
| Why we should not expect 'the State' to absolve us from responsibility. on 14:24 - Jan 27 by BlueandTruesince82 |
It's both isn't it.
Any involved state agencies have clearly failed here but that poor woman has also been let down by her family just as badly
At least IMO |
I'm guessing you don't have any family members with schizophrenia?
It's extremely tough for everyone in the family, and for the schizophrenic themselves of course as they are usually extremely paranoid.
As for the services, well anyone being 'cared for' by the Norfolk & Suffolk MHT can consider themselves very unlucky as they are by far the worst in the country, but as this shocking article shows, it's just lack of funding for mental health services in general all over the country, and things like this are more likely to happen again in the future, unfortunately. |  |
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