| Hope he starts two up top 23:21 - Feb 14 with 1339 views | Bobsthename |
Saturday to show us fans he is trying to turn things around by trying something different if not and it’s the same old then we fail to go up it’s on him mostly for trying to play or way out of this league we need to knuckle down and grind wins out like other teams do. |  | | |  |
| Hope he starts two up top on 07:16 - Feb 15 with 1250 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Explain why two up top is better. Something different is not a reason. |  |
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| Hope he starts two up top on 07:42 - Feb 15 with 1216 views | Bobsthename |
| Hope he starts two up top on 07:16 - Feb 15 by JammyDodgerrr |
Explain why two up top is better. Something different is not a reason. |
Something different is a reason because unless you have been under a rock we haven’t won two back to back games in the league since mid october 4 months ago.
We need to put a plan B together so when the tappy tappy football doesn’t break teams down we can change our style much like we did when we went behind at Cambridge until they sussed us out tell me why we shouldn’t go two up top and 3 at the back? | | | |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:00 - Feb 15 with 1190 views | StokieBlue |
| Hope he starts two up top on 07:42 - Feb 15 by Bobsthename |
Something different is a reason because unless you have been under a rock we haven’t won two back to back games in the league since mid october 4 months ago.
We need to put a plan B together so when the tappy tappy football doesn’t break teams down we can change our style much like we did when we went behind at Cambridge until they sussed us out tell me why we shouldn’t go two up top and 3 at the back? |
That's not how it works, you made the assertion so you should justify it with sound reasoning, not lump it back on another poster and ask them to tell you why we shouldn't.
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| Hope he starts two up top on 08:02 - Feb 15 with 1181 views | Bobsthename |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:00 - Feb 15 by StokieBlue |
That's not how it works, you made the assertion so you should justify it with sound reasoning, not lump it back on another poster and ask them to tell you why we shouldn't.
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Why he asked me i told him he can’t respond that is how it works who made you forum police? | | | |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:08 - Feb 15 with 1164 views | StokieBlue |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:02 - Feb 15 by Bobsthename |
Why he asked me i told him he can’t respond that is how it works who made you forum police? |
You didn't respond, you said the same thing which was very ambigious then demanded he explained to you why it wouldn't work.
Honestly, it's not hard.
I'd be interested to hear your tactical justification for the change and who would play where, who wouldn't play and what formation that would actually be.
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| Hope he starts two up top on 08:16 - Feb 15 with 1145 views | FrimleyBlue |
You'd think it's something we'd potentially see more of against certain sides.. but then again, KM seemed shocked that Bristol didn't play football.. so maybe, when the penny drops that teams don't just do what he watches them do the weeks before, maybe he will start looking at different ways of setting the side up. |  |
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| Hope he starts two up top on 08:24 - Feb 15 with 1113 views | Bobsthename |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:08 - Feb 15 by StokieBlue |
You didn't respond, you said the same thing which was very ambigious then demanded he explained to you why it wouldn't work.
Honestly, it's not hard.
I'd be interested to hear your tactical justification for the change and who would play where, who wouldn't play and what formation that would actually be.
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Because i believe 3-5-2 is a good solid line up it allows the wide men to get forward more hence us being a more attacking threat We could have Ladapo along with either Hirst or Broadhead in attack who knows they could even get use to how each other plays weakness and strengths surely it has to be our way forward now not that you would know.
Me and many others who watch the team regularly are getting tired of the plain slow build up play which just gives teams time to recover and get behind the ball awful really.
Personally i think i’m well entitled to ask his opinion but he seems to of left but good old you finding this thread to beat me with now i’m sure we need to change direction and formation would help.
Perhaps Mckenna could see his style isn’t quite working anymore teams have worked us out. | | | |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:30 - Feb 15 with 1098 views | StokieBlue |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:24 - Feb 15 by Bobsthename |
Because i believe 3-5-2 is a good solid line up it allows the wide men to get forward more hence us being a more attacking threat We could have Ladapo along with either Hirst or Broadhead in attack who knows they could even get use to how each other plays weakness and strengths surely it has to be our way forward now not that you would know.
Me and many others who watch the team regularly are getting tired of the plain slow build up play which just gives teams time to recover and get behind the ball awful really.
Personally i think i’m well entitled to ask his opinion but he seems to of left but good old you finding this thread to beat me with now i’m sure we need to change direction and formation would help.
Perhaps Mckenna could see his style isn’t quite working anymore teams have worked us out. |
"now not that you would know"
"Me and many others who watch the team regularly"
What do you mean by this? Some kind of weird appeal to authority fallacy.
As for the rest of your post, thanks for outlining why you would like the changes, it essentially boils down to the fact you don't like McKenna's style of play and you want to be more direct - something that has been historically criticised when done by other managers.
I would have not objections to playing some form of 3-5-2, I think 3 at the back is something we should definitely return to. However, playing that is going to leave players like Chaplin on the bench as I think Broadhead would need to be the 10 behind the forwards.
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| Hope he starts two up top on 08:37 - Feb 15 with 1082 views | Bobsthename |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:30 - Feb 15 by StokieBlue |
"now not that you would know"
"Me and many others who watch the team regularly"
What do you mean by this? Some kind of weird appeal to authority fallacy.
As for the rest of your post, thanks for outlining why you would like the changes, it essentially boils down to the fact you don't like McKenna's style of play and you want to be more direct - something that has been historically criticised when done by other managers.
I would have not objections to playing some form of 3-5-2, I think 3 at the back is something we should definitely return to. However, playing that is going to leave players like Chaplin on the bench as I think Broadhead would need to be the 10 behind the forwards.
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The word is a Plan B to which Mckenna doesn’t appear to have one changing the shape during the game is the way i would go if it’s not working trying to play through teams then adjust god knows we are lucky enough to have players in the squad on the bench to do this why on earth does he not use them for that reason?
Mckenna is going to lose a lot of fans trying to persist with his plain style of football if it fails to break down teams we are in the process of probably failing to make the Championship. | | | |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:41 - Feb 15 with 1070 views | LeoMuff |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:37 - Feb 15 by Bobsthename |
The word is a Plan B to which Mckenna doesn’t appear to have one changing the shape during the game is the way i would go if it’s not working trying to play through teams then adjust god knows we are lucky enough to have players in the squad on the bench to do this why on earth does he not use them for that reason?
Mckenna is going to lose a lot of fans trying to persist with his plain style of football if it fails to break down teams we are in the process of probably failing to make the Championship. |
I wouldn’t mind seeing Ladapo and Hirst together as a plan B, also trying a 433 with David and Clarke as left and RB, a midfield 3 maybe Aluko as tip of diamond, Chaplin or broadhead in behind a front 2 Hirst and Ladapo. |  |
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| Hope he starts two up top on 08:44 - Feb 15 with 1059 views | Bobsthename |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:41 - Feb 15 by LeoMuff |
I wouldn’t mind seeing Ladapo and Hirst together as a plan B, also trying a 433 with David and Clarke as left and RB, a midfield 3 maybe Aluko as tip of diamond, Chaplin or broadhead in behind a front 2 Hirst and Ladapo. |
Mckenna has so many options which he appears to ignore for some reason. | | | |
| Hope he starts two up top on 11:03 - Feb 15 with 974 views | cressi |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:44 - Feb 15 by Bobsthename |
Mckenna has so many options which he appears to ignore for some reason. |
3 -5- 2 only works well if you have exceptional wide players who can get forward and defend need to be ultra fit hardest position in team for system to work I never understand why 4-4-2 can't work if midfield over run either a defender steps out or the striker plays a little deeper everybody knows their job why make life so bl**dy difficult like corners little men on posts get ur man lose him and its your fault so basic . | | | |
| Hope he starts two up top on 11:06 - Feb 15 with 960 views | SomethingBlue |
Performatively picking two up top to "show us fans" on Saturday would only satisfy thickos. What we need is a good, strong, no dramas performance aligned with our principles and a comfortable win. The way we usually go about things should, if we are a touch sharper, be more than enough. | |
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| Hope he starts two up top on 11:11 - Feb 15 with 936 views | portmanking |
| Hope he starts two up top on 11:06 - Feb 15 by SomethingBlue |
Performatively picking two up top to "show us fans" on Saturday would only satisfy thickos. What we need is a good, strong, no dramas performance aligned with our principles and a comfortable win. The way we usually go about things should, if we are a touch sharper, be more than enough. |
Am I a 'thicko' for thinking an additional striker to occupy the centre halves in certain games would help then? I can't help but feel by removing one of the 10s from that area it could create additional pockets of space to exploit centrally. | | | |
| Hope he starts two up top on 11:15 - Feb 15 with 863 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:24 - Feb 15 by Bobsthename |
Because i believe 3-5-2 is a good solid line up it allows the wide men to get forward more hence us being a more attacking threat We could have Ladapo along with either Hirst or Broadhead in attack who knows they could even get use to how each other plays weakness and strengths surely it has to be our way forward now not that you would know.
Me and many others who watch the team regularly are getting tired of the plain slow build up play which just gives teams time to recover and get behind the ball awful really.
Personally i think i’m well entitled to ask his opinion but he seems to of left but good old you finding this thread to beat me with now i’m sure we need to change direction and formation would help.
Perhaps Mckenna could see his style isn’t quite working anymore teams have worked us out. |
We went 352 2nd half at Cambridge. |  |
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| Hope he starts two up top on 11:22 - Feb 15 with 845 views | SomethingBlue |
| Hope he starts two up top on 11:11 - Feb 15 by portmanking |
Am I a 'thicko' for thinking an additional striker to occupy the centre halves in certain games would help then? I can't help but feel by removing one of the 10s from that area it could create additional pockets of space to exploit centrally. |
No, you're not! | |
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| Hope he starts two up top on 11:30 - Feb 15 with 811 views | BigCommon |
| Hope he starts two up top on 08:24 - Feb 15 by Bobsthename |
Because i believe 3-5-2 is a good solid line up it allows the wide men to get forward more hence us being a more attacking threat We could have Ladapo along with either Hirst or Broadhead in attack who knows they could even get use to how each other plays weakness and strengths surely it has to be our way forward now not that you would know.
Me and many others who watch the team regularly are getting tired of the plain slow build up play which just gives teams time to recover and get behind the ball awful really.
Personally i think i’m well entitled to ask his opinion but he seems to of left but good old you finding this thread to beat me with now i’m sure we need to change direction and formation would help.
Perhaps Mckenna could see his style isn’t quite working anymore teams have worked us out. |
The problem we might have with that, atm, is that you want 3 in CM, (plus replacements).. We are currently running with a knackered 32 year old and a kid in CM, with no replacements on the bench.... I'd like to see your potential line up and bench for that formation going into the next game... We'd end up with players , playing unfamiliar roles.
I'm not averse to seeing some in game changes out of necessity when we're chasing a game. Which, tbf, we've been seeing, but it hasn't paid off in terms of wins..
But to suggest a 3 man midfield, when we've struggled to field 2 atm, is pushing it a bit, imo..
We are well short in MF. Which is the root of our problem, imo. Being unable to freshen up CM, either in the starting line up or in game, is part of the reason we are slow, ponderous and lacking energy in recent games... I expect a similar, leggy MF performance on Saturday, if we are forced to play Morsy and Humphreys again.. Although you'd fully expect us yo get away with it, at home, to FGR.. Fingers crossed, someone, Luongo? Will be available for selection soon. Otherwise, our engine room will continue to splutter..Imo. |  | | |
| Hope he starts two up top on 12:22 - Feb 15 with 724 views | broncos77 |
| Hope he starts two up top on 11:30 - Feb 15 by BigCommon |
The problem we might have with that, atm, is that you want 3 in CM, (plus replacements).. We are currently running with a knackered 32 year old and a kid in CM, with no replacements on the bench.... I'd like to see your potential line up and bench for that formation going into the next game... We'd end up with players , playing unfamiliar roles.
I'm not averse to seeing some in game changes out of necessity when we're chasing a game. Which, tbf, we've been seeing, but it hasn't paid off in terms of wins..
But to suggest a 3 man midfield, when we've struggled to field 2 atm, is pushing it a bit, imo..
We are well short in MF. Which is the root of our problem, imo. Being unable to freshen up CM, either in the starting line up or in game, is part of the reason we are slow, ponderous and lacking energy in recent games... I expect a similar, leggy MF performance on Saturday, if we are forced to play Morsy and Humphreys again.. Although you'd fully expect us yo get away with it, at home, to FGR.. Fingers crossed, someone, Luongo? Will be available for selection soon. Otherwise, our engine room will continue to splutter..Imo. |
I think this comes back to the basic problem of having recruited a large squad, with many positions having 2 or 3 players of almost equal ability, and all thinking they deserve a starting place
Its suggested we have the best squad in the League (maybe true) but we probably only have 2 players who might be in contention to make a League 1 Team of the Season (Walton & Morsy); other clubs at this level just dont have the funds to pay salaries of 25? 'first team squad' players
This leads to complacency - thinking we're better than the others and should really be in the Championship - and inevitable chopping and changing -I think we'd all find it hard to pick the best starting 11 , as McK clearly does, plus the need to keep the non-playing/starting players happy. With 3 or 4 changes each week the team will be likely to start slow
and players knowing that theres a 50% chance they'll be subbed after 60/70mins is
unsettling.
McK may wish to manage the large squad like a Prem League team but the players aren't good enough , and he prob isn't (yet)
Now is the critical point where he has to pick his best 11 and stiick to it - some hard choices to tell Harness, Hirst, Clarke, Aluko , Jackson,Edmundson + a few they are NOT getting a start - and Chaplin, Ladapo, Burgess, Donacian that they will start every week unless injured. Only starting position in doubt imo is midfield alongside Morsy - Evans when f fit.
Cam McK do that - I'm doubtful, so play-offs it is when you'd hope he might just do it then | | | |
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