| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD 16:57 - Mar 10 with 27601 views | SitfcB |
What a load of twaddle, fair play to him for sticking to his guns, can imagine he disagreed with them when they told him to probably delete the tweet and not to comment in the future. [Post edited 10 Mar 2023 16:58]
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 18:12 - Mar 11 with 2406 views | DJR |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 14:33 - Mar 11 by PioneerBlue |
I work for a company and I am not allowed to use social media nor say certain things in public forums that are not in the interests of the company. Thems the rules. I know there are consequences in the event that I decide to operate outside the policy/guidelines. In themselves they don’t stop me doing / saying anything but it’s clear there is recourse by the company in the event that I wish to express my freedom to speak.
It’s not rocket science. Is it?
My issue with Lineker is not really what he says, you can take or leave. It is the fact he’s paid by tax payers to opine on football related matters, he is choosing to use the platform the beeb has afforded him to build profile and now what he says is hurting the beebs legal requirements to be impartial. Lineker was a fabulous footballer. If he wants to use the personality and platform then he should run for election as an mp or create a pressure group. He would probably get a lot of votes! [Post edited 11 Mar 2023 21:13]
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I would imagine that there are very few, if any, contracts of employment in the vast majority of jobs that contain limitations on political engagement. In any event, any such limitations would generally be unenforceable.
Indeed, if an employer does, say, not like lefties, I imagine the solution is not to employ people in the first place.
There are exceptions, such as the army, higher grades of the civil service and those in the news section of some TV news companies. But beyond that, and especially with regard to someone like LIneker who doesn't work in news and isn't even an employee, it is difficult to understand why he should be subject to restrictions or singled out, given that over the years many BBC stars and the like have express support for the Tories (Tarby, Ronnie Corbett, etc).
Of course if you use social media, say, to express racist views, or if a teacher, post compromising images, that seems to me to be a different matter because then you are straying into gross misconduct. But any attempt to limit your political engagement, assuming you use measured language, would be unenforceable. [Post edited 11 Mar 2023 18:17]
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 18:15 - Mar 11 with 2370 views | J2BLUE |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 15:02 - Mar 11 by Zapers |
This, but you won't be heard. |
We heard, we just thought it was complete bullsh1t. |  |
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 20:12 - Mar 11 with 2232 views | jayessess |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 18:12 - Mar 11 by DJR |
I would imagine that there are very few, if any, contracts of employment in the vast majority of jobs that contain limitations on political engagement. In any event, any such limitations would generally be unenforceable.
Indeed, if an employer does, say, not like lefties, I imagine the solution is not to employ people in the first place.
There are exceptions, such as the army, higher grades of the civil service and those in the news section of some TV news companies. But beyond that, and especially with regard to someone like LIneker who doesn't work in news and isn't even an employee, it is difficult to understand why he should be subject to restrictions or singled out, given that over the years many BBC stars and the like have express support for the Tories (Tarby, Ronnie Corbett, etc).
Of course if you use social media, say, to express racist views, or if a teacher, post compromising images, that seems to me to be a different matter because then you are straying into gross misconduct. But any attempt to limit your political engagement, assuming you use measured language, would be unenforceable. [Post edited 11 Mar 2023 18:17]
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It's usually an HR policy rather than a contractual thing, isn't it? Friend of mine used to work for the Heritage Lottery Foundation and they had that sort of policy - largely because it was important that no-one could turn round and say "my funding bid failed because of the politics of X or Y".
You're right though, the reality of most jobs is that your boss buys your labour not your soul. You can't really have a free, democratic society where your ability to make a living depends on your employer approving of your out-of-work political activities, unless there's a really good reason for that. Simply that the money comes from the taxpayer isn't a good enough reason or we'd be barring more than 6 million public sector workers from full participation in our political system. [Post edited 11 Mar 2023 20:13]
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 21:37 - Mar 11 with 2145 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 15:59 - Mar 11 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Couple of points;
"using the platform the beeb has afforded him to build profile"
I think all his years as a top flight and England striker probably afforded him that profile, not the BBC.
"now what he says is hurting beebs legal need to be impartial."
And yet they're not bothered about the countless other situations where there hasn't been impartiality as mentioned in this thread and others.
Wake up. |
Just a downarrow, PioneerBlue? No answer?
Because you don't have one. |  |
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 22:15 - Mar 11 with 2064 views | NthQldITFC |
I haven't watched Match of the Day for probably ten years or longer, but I'm gonna have a shufti tonight. I'm hoping the Beeb are going to use a hologram of Jimmy Hill to do the presenting bit. TWTD. |  |
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 22:26 - Mar 11 with 2054 views | NthQldITFC |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 22:15 - Mar 11 by NthQldITFC |
I haven't watched Match of the Day for probably ten years or longer, but I'm gonna have a shufti tonight. I'm hoping the Beeb are going to use a hologram of Jimmy Hill to do the presenting bit. TWTD. |
Nah! Boring, low quality stuff compared with what I'm used to watching. They've got a couple of years to sort themselves out before a proper team comes along. | |
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 23:16 - Mar 11 with 1982 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 22:26 - Mar 11 by NthQldITFC |
Nah! Boring, low quality stuff compared with what I'm used to watching. They've got a couple of years to sort themselves out before a proper team comes along. |
Sky just said it was 20 minutes, without commentary, pundits and theme tune. |  |
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 23:37 - Mar 11 with 1937 views | Swailsey |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 13:41 - Mar 11 by jacobnikons |
or as in the case of a lot of the 'tolerant' left types on here as long as your political views with their views on the twtd board. Seriously, whatever your political persuasion, anyone who seriously thinks Suella Braverman is acting like a 1930's Nazi is sick. It is insulting all those who suffered under REAL Nazis. This whole thread is not really a football post anymore, its now a political one and like so many on this board their is only one political view allowed on here. The comments like 'Scumbags' and 'Facists' seen in this thread are typical of some of the long time anti brexit, anti tory loud mouths on here, many who embrace the cancel culture when it suits them but not their fellow champagne socialist, leading anti brexit remoaner and viscount vitrue signaller lineker. For what it's worth, I don't think he should be sacked because everyone is entitled to an opinion but when you are paid by a ridiculous, outdated institution funded by taxpayer which is supposed to be impartial and show no political bias, then where do you draw the line? If anything it shows it is time the BBC was defunded because it has not been impartial for years. If you want your 'news' or' your political echo chamber' then watch the likes of Channel 4 and Sky if you are to the left or read the Guardian or the Mirror and watch GB news or TalkTV and read the Telegraph and Mail if you are to the right. [Post edited 11 Mar 2023 13:44]
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This is genuinely so misguided and incorrect that I can only assume you are trolling. |  |
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 00:08 - Mar 12 with 1885 views | PioneerBlue |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 15:44 - Mar 11 by eireblue |
Lineker is allowed to use Social media, and didn’t say anything about the BBC.
Correct it isn’t rocket science. |
He is paid by the bbc, by association what he says matters to the BBC, and like in any leadership position words count. If by speaking out on a political matter, whether you agree or disagree with what was said it’s a breach of impartiality as it allows those on the right to continue taking a swipe at the beeb which is brand damaging.
It really is that simple.
Lineker has options, don’t take bbc money if he want to speak about political matters or get a job as political editor or an mp. |  |
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 03:58 - Mar 12 with 1837 views | Zapers |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 18:12 - Mar 11 by DJR |
I would imagine that there are very few, if any, contracts of employment in the vast majority of jobs that contain limitations on political engagement. In any event, any such limitations would generally be unenforceable.
Indeed, if an employer does, say, not like lefties, I imagine the solution is not to employ people in the first place.
There are exceptions, such as the army, higher grades of the civil service and those in the news section of some TV news companies. But beyond that, and especially with regard to someone like LIneker who doesn't work in news and isn't even an employee, it is difficult to understand why he should be subject to restrictions or singled out, given that over the years many BBC stars and the like have express support for the Tories (Tarby, Ronnie Corbett, etc).
Of course if you use social media, say, to express racist views, or if a teacher, post compromising images, that seems to me to be a different matter because then you are straying into gross misconduct. But any attempt to limit your political engagement, assuming you use measured language, would be unenforceable. [Post edited 11 Mar 2023 18:17]
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Why speculate? Why not wait and see if Lineker Brings a case against the BBC for constructive dismissal. I strongly suspect that he, and quite likely his solidarity brothers, will not see the inside of a BBC studio again.
Before we feel too sorry for them, nearly all of them are wealthy enough to be controversial and push the boundaries in the way they behave. Lineker has been outspoken in the past and been warned no doubt. Putting 2 fingers up at the BBC, is only going to end up with one result. | | | |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 09:15 - Mar 12 with 1705 views | DJR |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 20:12 - Mar 11 by jayessess |
It's usually an HR policy rather than a contractual thing, isn't it? Friend of mine used to work for the Heritage Lottery Foundation and they had that sort of policy - largely because it was important that no-one could turn round and say "my funding bid failed because of the politics of X or Y".
You're right though, the reality of most jobs is that your boss buys your labour not your soul. You can't really have a free, democratic society where your ability to make a living depends on your employer approving of your out-of-work political activities, unless there's a really good reason for that. Simply that the money comes from the taxpayer isn't a good enough reason or we'd be barring more than 6 million public sector workers from full participation in our political system. [Post edited 11 Mar 2023 20:13]
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I suppose I was looking at the matter as a former civil servant, where it is part of the terms and conditions of the job. But as you say, some organisations might leave it to HR, or guidance, but this is where you get into the sort of difficulty that the BBC have got themselves into because guidance isn't necessarily legally enforceable.
I wholeheartedly agree with what you say in the second paragraph. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 9:19]
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 09:21 - Mar 12 with 1683 views | Herbivore |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 03:58 - Mar 12 by Zapers |
Why speculate? Why not wait and see if Lineker Brings a case against the BBC for constructive dismissal. I strongly suspect that he, and quite likely his solidarity brothers, will not see the inside of a BBC studio again.
Before we feel too sorry for them, nearly all of them are wealthy enough to be controversial and push the boundaries in the way they behave. Lineker has been outspoken in the past and been warned no doubt. Putting 2 fingers up at the BBC, is only going to end up with one result. |
It's funny how Tories only talk about people's wealth in this kind of way when it's sports people who have usually earned their wealth through hard work and talent, often coming from very working class backgrounds. When the wealth of those born to it or who earn it through exploiting others is mentioned Tories lose their heads and start bleating on about the politics of envy. |  |
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 09:24 - Mar 12 with 1667 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 00:08 - Mar 12 by PioneerBlue |
He is paid by the bbc, by association what he says matters to the BBC, and like in any leadership position words count. If by speaking out on a political matter, whether you agree or disagree with what was said it’s a breach of impartiality as it allows those on the right to continue taking a swipe at the beeb which is brand damaging.
It really is that simple.
Lineker has options, don’t take bbc money if he want to speak about political matters or get a job as political editor or an mp. |
This would be all fine and dandy if it were applied across the board. You're still failing to answer that. So I'll ask again, why is it ok for some presenters to say political stuff when it's supporting the government (or attacking their rivals)? Even Gary Lineker has done this without censure by saying "bin Corbyn".
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 10:14 - Mar 12 with 1523 views | eireblue |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 00:08 - Mar 12 by PioneerBlue |
He is paid by the bbc, by association what he says matters to the BBC, and like in any leadership position words count. If by speaking out on a political matter, whether you agree or disagree with what was said it’s a breach of impartiality as it allows those on the right to continue taking a swipe at the beeb which is brand damaging.
It really is that simple.
Lineker has options, don’t take bbc money if he want to speak about political matters or get a job as political editor or an mp. |
What you just said applies to Andrew Neil. He tweeted on political matters whilst at the BBC.
He was allowed to, because it was his private tweeter account.
As has Lord Sugar.
But the Government never complained about what they tweeted.
Government ministers have complained about what a sports presenter has tweeted, and the BBC have sanctioned them.
It really is that simple. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 10:15]
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 10:28 - Mar 12 with 1487 views | leitrimblue |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 00:08 - Mar 12 by PioneerBlue |
He is paid by the bbc, by association what he says matters to the BBC, and like in any leadership position words count. If by speaking out on a political matter, whether you agree or disagree with what was said it’s a breach of impartiality as it allows those on the right to continue taking a swipe at the beeb which is brand damaging.
It really is that simple.
Lineker has options, don’t take bbc money if he want to speak about political matters or get a job as political editor or an mp. |
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 12:54 - Mar 12 with 1367 views | Ryorry |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 10:14 - Mar 12 by eireblue |
What you just said applies to Andrew Neil. He tweeted on political matters whilst at the BBC.
He was allowed to, because it was his private tweeter account.
As has Lord Sugar.
But the Government never complained about what they tweeted.
Government ministers have complained about what a sports presenter has tweeted, and the BBC have sanctioned them.
It really is that simple. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 10:15]
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The BBC itself has changed its stance on the matter. Nothing could more clearly demonstrate that the current furore is politically driven by the tories than asking why this was acceptable to the BBC at the time it was written, but the tweet by Lineker under discussion now isn't -
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 13:41 - Mar 12 with 1307 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 12:54 - Mar 12 by Ryorry |
The BBC itself has changed its stance on the matter. Nothing could more clearly demonstrate that the current furore is politically driven by the tories than asking why this was acceptable to the BBC at the time it was written, but the tweet by Lineker under discussion now isn't -
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Because the BBC isn't all that driven by standards or impartialitywhen it actually comes down to it.
Instead of defending its impartiality and integrity in statements, it would probably have been more effective for the BBC to be, y'know, impartial and true to a higher standard of public service in its actions.
Instead it's nodded through some truly awful coverage and shonky reporting, particularly over the past decade of online and social media content. |  |
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 13:43 - Mar 12 with 1300 views | Ryorry |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 13:41 - Mar 12 by Darth_Koont |
Because the BBC isn't all that driven by standards or impartialitywhen it actually comes down to it.
Instead of defending its impartiality and integrity in statements, it would probably have been more effective for the BBC to be, y'know, impartial and true to a higher standard of public service in its actions.
Instead it's nodded through some truly awful coverage and shonky reporting, particularly over the past decade of online and social media content. |
Yes, I know, you're preaching to the converted. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 13:45]
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 13:52 - Mar 12 with 1273 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 13:43 - Mar 12 by Ryorry |
Yes, I know, you're preaching to the converted. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 13:45]
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Fair enough.
People have been pushing the doctrine of BBC impartiality for years on here. And many still were pushing it this week. So not aimed at you, but those "unconverted" who need to start challenging themselves much more. Ignorance isn't the preserve of the right wing no matter how much it seems to thrive best there. | |
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 15:30 - Mar 12 with 1160 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 00:08 - Mar 12 by PioneerBlue |
He is paid by the bbc, by association what he says matters to the BBC, and like in any leadership position words count. If by speaking out on a political matter, whether you agree or disagree with what was said it’s a breach of impartiality as it allows those on the right to continue taking a swipe at the beeb which is brand damaging.
It really is that simple.
Lineker has options, don’t take bbc money if he want to speak about political matters or get a job as political editor or an mp. |
Why does it only work one way then?
When will you wake up to this completely biased censorship?
With this acceptance of this Fascist cancel culture, you are supporting the very thing Lineker is getting told to keep quiet about.
Marching towards Fascism with your support. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 15:46]
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 15:41 - Mar 12 with 1138 views | Keno |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 00:08 - Mar 12 by PioneerBlue |
He is paid by the bbc, by association what he says matters to the BBC, and like in any leadership position words count. If by speaking out on a political matter, whether you agree or disagree with what was said it’s a breach of impartiality as it allows those on the right to continue taking a swipe at the beeb which is brand damaging.
It really is that simple.
Lineker has options, don’t take bbc money if he want to speak about political matters or get a job as political editor or an mp. |
ok lets take this a step at a time
Yes he is paid by the BBC
The BBC is not funded by the tory party or the government or taxpayers,
it is funded by a license fee
He is not paid by the tory party
He is not paid by the government
The BBC is not an instrument of the tory party or the government. it is supposed to be an independent broadcaster
We are supposed to live in a free country, where within reason people are free to express their opinions
Lineker expressed an opinion which the Tory party didnt like
They have brought pressure on the independent broadcaster to censure an employee and the independent broadcaster have reacted to that
Had Lineker said the opposite the Tory party wouldn't have complained
The head of the BBC is a well know Tory supporter who is currently under investigation for possible illegal funding of the party and a disgraced leader
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| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 21:52 - Mar 12 with 964 views | PioneerBlue |
| Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD on 09:24 - Mar 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This would be all fine and dandy if it were applied across the board. You're still failing to answer that. So I'll ask again, why is it ok for some presenters to say political stuff when it's supporting the government (or attacking their rivals)? Even Gary Lineker has done this without censure by saying "bin Corbyn".
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There is nothing to answer. You’ve gone off topic on to politics. I’m talking about the Beeb and a football program guy. You’ve got yourself (and several others are in the same place) all twisted up and conflated a straight forward organisational matter with politics. | |
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