| Oh Jeremy on 10:36 - Mar 30 with 724 views | blueasfook |
| Oh Jeremy on 11:49 - Mar 29 by Darth_Koont |
Mostly, yes.
They’re certainly misrepresentations and smears rather than an objective discussion of the facts. You deal in accusations but always dodge the evidence because it doesn’t actually provide much ammunition at all. |
Which of
A) tainted by antisemitism
B) Open support for terrorist groups in this country and abroad, and a habit of seeing the very worst in his own country whilst giving the benefit of doubt to the likes of Assad (chemical attacks on his own people) and Putin (Salisbury poisoning)
Are smears or misrepresentations? |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 12:02 - Mar 30 with 651 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh Jeremy on 10:36 - Mar 30 by blueasfook |
Which of
A) tainted by antisemitism
B) Open support for terrorist groups in this country and abroad, and a habit of seeing the very worst in his own country whilst giving the benefit of doubt to the likes of Assad (chemical attacks on his own people) and Putin (Salisbury poisoning)
Are smears or misrepresentations? |
Easy. All of them.
If you can back those up with actual evidence rather than simply repeating other people’s accusations or Jewish Chronicle/Daily Mail narratives then be my guest. Should be a doddle, right? |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:11 - Mar 30 with 540 views | Ryorry |
| Oh Jeremy on 06:46 - Mar 30 by GlasgowBlue |
I’ve linked this before. I’m not in the mood for doing it all over again. However….
“One particularly horrible tweet shortly before she resigned, from a former Labour member said, “Let’s all pray the same fate awaits @Lucianaberger’s baby that she wishes for all Palestinian babies.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/luciana-berger-interview-corbyn-and-labours-a
Or how about this
“ In one Facebook post contained in the dossier, a party member was shown to have written: “Zionist Extremist MP Luciana Berger, who hates civilised people, about (to) get a good kicking!”
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-snubs-mp-luciana-berger-over-assault-t
And for the final time. Keir Starmer’s statement on Luciana Berger leaving the Labour Party :
“You left because you were forced out by intimidation, thuggery and racism,” he wrote. “Yours was a principled and brave move. But it was one you should never have been forced to take. That day will forever be a stain on Labour’s history.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/25/luciana-berger-rejoins-labour-a
He added: “The abuse you suffered was disgusting. You were left isolated and exposed. Shamefully, those who should have defended you stood by.”
So unless you believe Keir Starmer is a liar I suggest you believe Luciana Berger was hounded out of the Labour party by antisemitism
Btw the author of your ‘detailed’ article is Bob Bitt, author of such balanced articles such as:
“Is Tom Watson paid by wealthy Zionists to ‘represent a foreign power’?”
“New wave of disciplinary action against Labour members: A rightwing campaign to purge the left”
“Brighton Labour councillors targeted in antisemitism witch-hunt”
“ Fascists in defence of ‘democratic values’? The whitewashing of the Ukrainian far right continues”
This is his balanced view on the antisemitic mural that Corbyn defended…….
“ In March 2018, however, long after it had been forgotten, the controversy was suddenly reignited by then Labour MP Luciana Berger, as part of the campaign by the Labour right and their allies in the Zionist establishment to undermine Jeremy Corbyn. This time it produced a quite hysterical reaction, with the Board of Deputies and the Jewish Leadership Council organising an angry demonstration outside parliament to denounce the Corbyn-led Labour Party as a hotbed of antisemitism.”
“Zionist establishment” FFS. Antisemitic conspiracy theories much?
He’s a left wing crank Corbyn apologist. You’ve been had I’m afraid. So you’ll forgive me if I believe Luciana Berger, a Jewish woman who says she was driven out of the Labour Party by antisemitism, and Sir Keir Starmer, when he says Luciana was driven out of the Labour Party by “ intimidation, thuggery and racism, rather than some pro Corbyn crank.
And I’m definitely leaving it there. Been there, done it so many times before. Just read my greatest hits, the EHRC report or the Hope Not Hate report.
[Post edited 30 Mar 2023 9:12]
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Such tweets are obviously shameful, can't read the first link as behind paywall, but if you'd read the link I posted you'd see that many other such accusations are found to have been made either by people who weren't LP members, or were made as long ago as 2012, way before JC became leader of the LP.
Keir Starmer’s statements on Luciana Berger leaving the Labour Party are evidentially incorrect by omission - as you'd know if you read the report ...
I don't care who puts the evidence on the table - what's important are the hard facts in that evidence & that's what I took away from the table, ie the article I linked.
Read the article - thoroughly & to the end.
Hope you're feeling a bit better today. |  |
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:26 - Mar 30 with 508 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Oh Jeremy on 14:40 - Mar 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well, well, well. Glassers accuses me of swerving because I didn't reply within half an hour. Now HE'S failed to reply within his own allotted timeframe!
Is this;
a. Hypocrisy.
b. Irony.
c. Glassers finally admitting he is a swerver.
Answers on a postcard. |
Glassers accuses me of swerving for not replying within half an hour. He's now gone 24 hours without replying to me, whilst also replying to others in the same thread.
The Glasgow Swerve in full effect. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:36 - Mar 30 with 493 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Oh Jeremy on 17:45 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Apologies for not coming back to this thread sooner but I’m drifting in and out of sleep with a high fever and sickness bug.
I’ll just leave this clip here for those people who constantly use the term “smear”. Yiu shoukd be ashamed of yourselves. These are the people whose fears yiu are dismissing.
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That there was an antisemitism problem doesn't mean there was no smearing. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Just one of many, many articles;
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/jeremy-corbyn-is-the-most-smeared-po
"Jeremy Corbyn is the most smeared politician in history."
"Those people who constantly use the term “smear”. You should be ashamed of yourselves." - Glassers.
No. No we shouldn't.
People who perpetuate smearing don't believe in democracy. So it's actually they who should be ashamed.
This does not, in any way, excuse antisemitism. Or any racism for that matter. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 14:41 - Mar 30 with 481 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Oh Jeremy on 18:44 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-supporter-sentenced-for-antisem
Corbyn supporter sentenced for abuse against Jewish MPs
Labour activist Nick Nelson, 29, was given a 20-week suspended prison sentence on Monday at Westminster Magistrates' Court after calling Ms Berger a "vile useless Tory c**t" who was "using Judaism as a weapon".
In another message, he labelled Ms Smeeth a "red Tory traitor."
Another Corbyn supporting Labour member sent vile emails describing Margaret Hodge and Luciana Berger of being “Sh1t stirring Zionist c*m buckets, bought and paid for by Israel.”
She was attacked by the far right and Corbyn supporting Labour members. Members of her own party.
Six people have been convicted in the courts for aiming antisemitic abuse at Luciana. 4 far right and two from her own party.
Keir Starmer:
“You were forced out by intimidation, thuggery and racism”
What you have linked is a pro Corbyn propaganda piece. I gave up at “Witchunt”. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 18:56]
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It's always "Corbyn supporting" individuals isn't it?
Never actually Corbyn.
Some vile people support Corbyn, therefore Corbyn is a racist.
Weird logic that, isn't it?
It's like saying Kieran McKenna shares the same views as everyone inside Portman Road on a matchday.
This is exactly what smearing is. | |
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| Oh Jeremy on 15:23 - Mar 30 with 436 views | Blueschev |
| Oh Jeremy on 22:45 - Mar 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Why is that relevant? If in fact it’s true. I can’t find any mention of his ethno/religious grouping.
After all, it was you who was very adamant that Jews such as Gilad Atzmon are capable of being anti semites.
We’ve had other Labour members send bike abuse to Luciana when she was pregnant, hoping her any would die.
She was driven out of Labour by rampant antisemitism. Keir Starmer acknowledged this in the statement I linked.
There seems a desperation to shout this down, despite the findings of the EHRC and Hope Not Hate. [Post edited 30 Mar 2023 10:25]
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It's relevant because it completely changes the context of the quote. Nelson sounds like a vile piece of work, but a Jew accusing another Jew of weaponizing their shared heritage does not constitute Jew hatred, and he wasn't charged with racism.
Gilad Atzmon has implied that Jews were to some extent deserving of their fate during the holocaust and have an inherent wickedness, which is antisemitism regardless of who says it. |  | | |
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