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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, 18:33 - May 13 with 10426 views

He hides from penalty shootouts too. Talk about showing confidence in your players. For a supposedly professional football manager that's absurd and embarrassing - if I was a Chesterfield fan I'd be livid at that.

Feel sorry for the Chesterfield fans today - but PC has well and truly found his level.

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 12:28 - May 14 with 1657 views

chicoazul

Maybe he had a train to catch to Anfield?

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 12:31 - May 14 with 1647 views

chicoazul

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 19:30 - May 13 by PhilTWTD

Not sure why there's this need to have a pop at ex-managers just because they're ex-managers and didn't bring success here. Can understand those who went out of their way to fall out with fans - Mick - or the media - Paul Lambert, cough - but Paul Cook was a nice enough bloke, it wasn't for a lack of trying that it didn't work out for him. Wish him well and his CV shows he's a better manager than National League level.

Mick didn’t go “out of his way” to fall out with the fans don’t be dumb.

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 12:36 - May 14 with 1633 views

Mach_foreignBlue

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 11:48 - May 14 by AlanG296

That scenario is even worse! When Cook joined I was optimistic, surely Lambert's squad was capable of better, Cook would get us play offs. But he couldn't and I don't hold that against him at all, he took over a squad that was accustomed to and comfortable with just partcipating. Senior players able to stay at a club that's steady decline kept place with their declining ability. If he achieving nothing else Cook eradicated that with his Demolition Man role. In itself that was a real game changer.

Of course. That was the squad accumosted to an easy payday. Perhaps they didn't like Cook's methods (yet another manager they didn't like) but the way they performed in some games.....no heart, no passion whatsoever, 0-2 to Fleetwood, 0-3 to Northampton, 0-3 to Wimbledon and some people still sucking off everything about these frauds and blame Cook.

Summer 2021 was a comedy gold on here. Some people said that Colchester in our rejects were getting fantastic professionals and good chance for promotion

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 12:38 - May 14 with 1621 views

tractorboy1978

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 11:56 - May 14 by clive_baker

Agree with that with regards to the older crop, its also true of the younger ones. Had many conversations on here at the time, the age profile of our squad was so unbalanced. At one point we had an ‘average age of 27’ at the back but it was 35 year old full backs in Chambers and Ward and kids in the middle. So a mean average, but none of the 4 were within about 7 years of it. The squad generally fell into 3 buckets: 1) former championship quality, but past it (Chambers, Ward, Judge) 2) good ages but in reality average at best L1 players (Nsiala, Holy, Hawkins) or 3) young and utterly unproven. Anyone who didn’t fit into those was generally permanently injured.

It was a crap squad and the talk of it being the best in the league was utterly delusional. The biggest question mark for me was the young players we had, I think people completely underestimate how tough it is for kids to step up at this level. It’s hard enough for a Cameron Humphreys when he’s got Morsy next to him and Burns, Chaplin, Ladapo etc around him, in a dominant side and with the management and coaching team we could’ve only dreamt of before. Try putting a few in together a few years ago, it won’t work. The clamours for it at the time used to wind me up so much. And that’s working on the assumption they even have the underlying potential anyway, which many of ours had no evidence of. Clements, McGavin, Dobra. They’ll all find their level below L1 IMO. And that’s now, they were kids then.

Expressing those views was never popular then though. Past it old players (who were largely still our best bet), bang average L1 / L2 mid career players, sick notes or unproven kids, most of which were probably never future L1 players anyway. I would say literally the only exceptions to that were Downes, Dozzell and Norwood. That was literally it, and none of them stayed fit anyway.

Lambert got a lot of stick and for good reason, but the bloke has been around football long enough to know he was working with a crock of sh1t. Absolutely chalk and cheese from where we are today.

Summed up by the fact we could never beat a top 6 team under Lambert. That squad was quite fortunate too IMO as the standard of L1 has (across the top 8-10 teams anyway) improved dramatically over the past two seasons. It would have been even further off competing at this level now.

I'll never defend Lambert as I think he was a complete turd and thoroughly dislikable, but between him and Matt Gill, I think they got about as much out of that squad as they could.

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 12:41 - May 14 with 1598 views

Sharkey

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 11:30 - May 14 by Mach_foreignBlue

Lets put it this way.

Imagine if Evans had stayed and Gamechanger didn't come. The Demolition Job wouldn't have taken a place. Chambers would have been retained, so would 'nicely speaking' sweet toady Skuse, so would Judge, Dozzell, Sears etc etc

We probably would have been fighting relegation with these frauds. But they still would have been absolutely free of criticism on here. They still would have been labelled as good professionals. So who on here would have been a culprit for that situation? Cook obviously !

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I can understand the impression that people like Sears and Skuse had a leisurely way about them, because they play the game with a certain kind of Corinthian bearing.

But Judge? He clearly wasn't the player he'd been at Brentford, and no doubt he was more aware of that than anyone, and it hurt. The idea that he was among a bunch 'stealing a living' just seems so strange to someone who's watched him play for Colchester. If anything he seems to try too hard, -hence getting injured on an icy pitch on a miserable day in Sutton when most people were (wisely) playing with a degree of caution.

I hope he gets some joy somewhere is whatever is left of his career. (I actually wouldn't be that surprised if he re-signs for Colchester after the summer if his recuperation progresses as hoped.)

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 12:46 - May 14 with 1586 views

Mach_foreignBlue

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 12:41 - May 14 by Sharkey

Judge: 'Rochdale is a tough place and 0-0 ain't a bad result'

Rochdale who had been shipping goals that season.

That squad stunk.

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 13:11 - May 14 with 1543 views

Herbivore

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 10:15 - May 14 by Mach_foreignBlue
Oh yeah because the players whom he kicked out of the club deserved the better, eh? After all they did everything for the club, eh? Never their fault , never !

Yes, they deserved better than the way he treated them. Getting rid of them is one thing, but you can do it with a bit of class.

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 13:21 - May 14 with 1518 views

Herbivore

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 11:56 - May 14 by clive_baker

Can't buy into the faint hint of sympathy for Lambert here. He signed or gave new deals to pretty much all of the players in the squad Cook inherited from him so it's not like they weren't his players at that point. Whilst Evans' backing was poor by Championship standards, the same wasn't true for League 1. We outbid a lot of sides, including some from the Championship, to sign Norwood, and we also gave Judge a new contract on very decent wages for this level when QPR were sniffing around. Even the KVY signing would have been a record transfer fee for more than half the sides at this level. Given all that I find it hard to give him even a shred of sympathy. He did a poor job, much in keeping with all bar a couple of our last half dozen or so managers.

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 13:31 - May 14 with 1495 views

ibbleobble

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 12:31 - May 14 by chicoazul
Mick didn’t go “out of his way” to fall out with the fans don’t be dumb.

I might be due a whoosh but putting two fingers up to the travelling support on live TV and saying in many different guises, “I don’t care what they (the fans) think” is hardly a means to ingratiate yourself.

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 14:04 - May 14 with 1462 views

Mach_foreignBlue

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 13:11 - May 14 by Herbivore
Yes, they deserved better than the way he treated them. Getting rid of them is one thing, but you can do it with a bit of class.

Deserved better with a bit of class

but you aren't impaired are you?

Spineless relegation, bang average in League One, stealing a living and waffling some cliches in the interviews that you swallow so easily

Disgusting frauds !

Are you actually a Town fan or just a troll?

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 14:06 - May 14 with 1459 views

Mach_foreignBlue

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 12:31 - May 14 by chicoazul
Mick didn’t go “out of his way” to fall out with the fans don’t be dumb.

No, never his fault too ! It was all numbskulls' fault.

Narcistic pr1ck. Tell APOEL, Cardiff and Blackpool fans that they are all numbskulls too.

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 14:11 - May 14 with 1436 views

Herbivore

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 14:04 - May 14 by Mach_foreignBlue
Deserved better with a bit of class but you aren't impaired are you? Spineless relegation, bang average in League One, stealing a living and waffling some cliches in the interviews that you swallow so easily Disgusting frauds ! Are you actually a Town fan or just a troll?

No, I'm not impaired thanks but very telling that you'd use that kind of language to try and insult someone. A bit like the time you wished a terminal illness on Marcus Evans I guess. No surprise that you don't really understand what it is to behave with class and dignity and why that counts for something.

Literally, you plough a lone furrow with your rabid hatred of some of our former players and yet you think it's everyone else who is delusional for not agreeing with you. Are you a Town fan or just a troll?

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Mach_foreignBlue

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 14:11 - May 14 by Herbivore

Hear hear !!! Comes from a melt like you who have a history of bans from the messageboards for your bad behaviour and insulting other posters. Not so long ago you had had a ban from here. Have you apologised the admins for that?

You didn't take the opportunity that was your ban from this forum to address your anger issues did you?

So next time you lecture me or others have a look at yourself first.

Class and dignity.....these words from you? Really?

You are of course though entitled to appreciate or venerate these frauds for what they did on the pitch and blame the managers. My opinion is based on what I saw on the pitch whereas all you do is just agendas. Yeah, yeah lets blame the managers and never slate certain players.

Don't forget to downvote me though

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 14:46 - May 14 with 1370 views

Herbivore

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 14:41 - May 14 by Mach_foreignBlue

[Post edited 14 May 2023 14:42]

Yeah, I'm definitely the one with anger issues here. Give your head a wobble, ffs.

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Mach_foreignBlue

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 14:46 - May 14 by Herbivore
Yeah, I'm definitely the one with anger issues here. Give your head a wobble, ffs.

Of course there is nowt wrong with you.

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 15:47 - May 14 with 1296 views

itfcjoe

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 09:16 - May 14 by clive_baker

23 points behind isn’t particularly close, they were as close to mid table as they were to Notts County in the end. That’s in part due to the ridiculous form of the top 2 though. 84 points is a decent enough season for Cook & Chesterfield, but the 2 that went up were the right 2 and even the Chesterfield fans were pretty gracious in their defeat. They’ll probably have more chance of promotion next season now they’re both out of the picture.

The penalties thing was odd. Maybe he saw them change their keeper and thought he needs to roll the dice with a bit of psychology. Impossible to know whether it would’ve made any difference, Chesterfield penalties were decent to be fair. The Notts keeper made a couple smart saves.

Sorry I mean pushed closely in the PO Final opposed to the league season - the only way Chesterfield could get up this year was to get organised and sorted for a PO campaign which they did

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 16:49 - May 14 with 1233 views

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 18:56 - May 13 by NeedhamChris
Yes, I'm not a fan and think he was a very poor manager for us and has underdelivered without Leam Richardson. That said, I don't think it's a bizarre thing to comment on, it's pretty unusual and poor management to me.

looks like they need each other , by the showing of wigan.

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 17:32 - May 14 with 1190 views

clive_baker

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 13:21 - May 14 by Herbivore

He did a poor job but I do believe both things can be true. Crap manager, conducted himself awfully and didn’t play well with the hand he was dealt. I don’t think it was a very good hand at all though, even in L1. There was no chance that squad deserved promotion or would’ve ever got it. We started off OK without ever looking convincing but routinely fell short against any of the top 6 as we weren’t even close to that level. Not saying a better manager wouldn’t have got more of a tune out of them but it was a very average squad at this level. Not to mention the state of things off the pitch which was way way below a whole host of league 1 clubs. The promoted clubs of Rotherham, Coventry, Sunderland etc were miles ahead of us.

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 16:49 - May 14 by jaykay
looks like they need each other , by the showing of wigan.

Richardson got Wigan promoted on a limited budget without Cook’s help. Their stay in the Championship was hampered by lack of funds and payers not being paid on time.

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 18:19 - May 14 with 1114 views

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So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 17:32 - May 14 by clive_baker

Paul Cook had 16 games with the inherited squad, 14 of them were against teams below us in the league when he took over and if he'd maintained Paul Lambert/Matt Gill's points per game, we'd have fulfilled his realistic target (making the play-offs). I think the idea that we chucked him into this nightmare scenario where it was impossible for him to succeed is bunk.

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pointofblue

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 18:19 - May 14 by jayessess
Paul Cook had 16 games with the inherited squad, 14 of them were against teams below us in the league when he took over and if he'd maintained Paul Lambert/Matt Gill's points per game, we'd have fulfilled his realistic target (making the play-offs). I think the idea that we chucked him into this nightmare scenario where it was impossible for him to succeed is bunk.

Wish I could give this more that one up vote. When Lambert was sacked and Cook brought in the general consensus was the play offs were in reach, even with the squad we had. And they should have been.

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Herbivore

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 18:19 - May 14 by jayessess
Paul Cook had 16 games with the inherited squad, 14 of them were against teams below us in the league when he took over and if he'd maintained Paul Lambert/Matt Gill's points per game, we'd have fulfilled his realistic target (making the play-offs). I think the idea that we chucked him into this nightmare scenario where it was impossible for him to succeed is bunk.

Think he's talking about Lambert rather than Cook. I don't agree in respect of Lambert either to be fair but that's the context.

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tractor_lady

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 19:30 - May 13 by PhilTWTD

Spot on!

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jayessess

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 18:32 - May 14 by Herbivore
Think he's talking about Lambert rather than Cook. I don't agree in respect of Lambert either to be fair but that's the context.

Ah, I get you. My position on Lambert was that he had more than 2 years to correct or call out whatever "structural problems" he reckoned the club had and didn't. He had 5 transfer windows to re-build his playing staff and basically chose not to. If by August 2020 the club wasn't in the place he wanted it to be, he had no one to blame but himself.

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pointofblue

So not only does Paul Cook hide from difficult press conferences, on 21:06 - May 13 by PhilTWTD
Wasn't really a pop at you, was more a few other posts wishing PC ill, which seemed unnecessary.

Maybe it's a degree of bitterness on my part, as he had an excellent record at Chesterfield, Portsmouth and Wigan but it all fell apart here rapidly. And his attitude of passing the blame onto the squad without taking personal responsibility, grated.

We spent one season longer than we should have done at this level due to his incompetence, incompetence which, up until joining us, was not evident. It was at the point where he looked out of his depth that I started wondering if the Town managerial post was cursed.

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