| FRL & RDK fighters 23:26 - Jun 4 with 2306 views | gtsb1966 |
Doing a great job in suppressing Putins army. Well known as right wing. So who do you back on this one. |  | | |  |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 01:50 - Jun 5 with 2231 views | Guthrum |
Some of them are even neo-nazi, but not all. Varied agglomeration of smaller groups. Other elements are allegedly anarchist.
Don't seem to be very large in number and so far have managed a few minor incursions against police and border troops in relatively lightly defended areas. Their main benefit for the Ukrainians is potentially in drawing men and materiel away from the main battlefront. |  |
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| FRL & RDK fighters on 07:06 - Jun 5 with 2073 views | BlueNomad |
My enemy's enemy is my friend..................... |  | | |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 07:41 - Jun 5 with 2029 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I was reading about their motives on Reuters given that intuitively you would think a far-right group of Russians would be pro-Putin. I have to say I’m still none the wiser, they want Russia to remain ethnically Russian (is that even a thing since it spans from Europe to Asia), yet they also claim to be anti-imperialist.
Seems somewhat contrarian to me. |  | | |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 08:16 - Jun 5 with 1989 views | DanTheMan |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 07:41 - Jun 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I was reading about their motives on Reuters given that intuitively you would think a far-right group of Russians would be pro-Putin. I have to say I’m still none the wiser, they want Russia to remain ethnically Russian (is that even a thing since it spans from Europe to Asia), yet they also claim to be anti-imperialist.
Seems somewhat contrarian to me. |
You can be anti-imperialist and a nationalist. I guess a rough example of this could be North Korea, very insular and does not really get involved with international politics but definitely very nationalistic.
I've also not thought through this example very far so there are probably much better comparisons. [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 8:16]
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| FRL & RDK fighters on 08:48 - Jun 5 with 1899 views | Guthrum |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 07:41 - Jun 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I was reading about their motives on Reuters given that intuitively you would think a far-right group of Russians would be pro-Putin. I have to say I’m still none the wiser, they want Russia to remain ethnically Russian (is that even a thing since it spans from Europe to Asia), yet they also claim to be anti-imperialist.
Seems somewhat contrarian to me. |
Perhaps simply the fact that Putin is in charge, not their own leaders.
Worth bearing in mind that Putin has eradicated all the "normal" opposition within Russia, so all that's left is the oddballs. | |
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| FRL & RDK fighters on 08:56 - Jun 5 with 1889 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 01:50 - Jun 5 by Guthrum |
Some of them are even neo-nazi, but not all. Varied agglomeration of smaller groups. Other elements are allegedly anarchist.
Don't seem to be very large in number and so far have managed a few minor incursions against police and border troops in relatively lightly defended areas. Their main benefit for the Ukrainians is potentially in drawing men and materiel away from the main battlefront. |
Accordimg to Ukrainian sources:
Ukrainian Intelligence has Prigozhin moving Wagner to protect Belgorod. They then speculate that he may pivot and attack the Kremlin.
Whether that speculation is based on any credible inside information or not almost doesn't matter. Ukrainian Intelligence is doing a job of amplifying divisions and creating a paranoid atmosphere for Putin to fester in.
The absolute dream scenario for Ukraine right now is for Prigozhin to make a unilateral move to Belgorod and for the Russian Ministry of Defence to oppose that, leading to a stand off between Wagner and the Russian Army, or, even better, for fighting to break out between them.
Although their forces may be small in number, the attacks on Belgorod by the Free Russia groups are hugely significant, and Ukrainian Intelligence is doing all it can to amplify their psychological effect. | | | |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 08:57 - Jun 5 with 1887 views | Guthrum |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 08:16 - Jun 5 by DanTheMan |
You can be anti-imperialist and a nationalist. I guess a rough example of this could be North Korea, very insular and does not really get involved with international politics but definitely very nationalistic.
I've also not thought through this example very far so there are probably much better comparisons. [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 8:16]
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Another parallel would be the aristocratic resistance in Hitler's Germany, including those behind the July Bomb Plot. Right wing, nationalist, often wirh a military background, but nonetheless conspiring to stop the nazis. In part because the War was threatening to destroy the country, but also over their (often Christian) principles.. | |
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| FRL & RDK fighters on 09:39 - Jun 5 with 1775 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 08:16 - Jun 5 by DanTheMan |
You can be anti-imperialist and a nationalist. I guess a rough example of this could be North Korea, very insular and does not really get involved with international politics but definitely very nationalistic.
I've also not thought through this example very far so there are probably much better comparisons. [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 8:16]
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There are lots of examples of Nationalist anti-Imperialists.
The SNP in Scotland espouses a "Civic Nationalism" as opposed to an ethnic nationalism. There is no contradiction in the Scottish National Party having a leader of Asian heritage, for example. And it is definitely anti-imperialist- especially English imperialism.
Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland. Again, any people seeking independence from a larger country can very easily appeal to their own national identity in contrast to the "occupying" nation, and use anti-imperialist concepts of self-determination to advance their cause very easily.
Zelensky's approach both pre-war and especially during the war.
Iceland has a strong desire for full independence and emphasis on distinct national identity across the political spectrum, rooted in their fight for independence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_nationalism#:~:text=Icelandic%20national
Zimbabwe illustrates some of the dangers of anti-imperialist nationalism, particularly in promises made to those who fought for independence regarding the redistribution of land owned by the White minority. The break up of well-managed farms has led to severe food shortages.
The poster boy for anti-imperialist Nationalism would probably be Fidel Castro and his stand against the USA, although US Foreign Policy has been officially anti-imperialist in perpetuity, and eg the invasion of Grenada was in no way imperialist (!) which just goes to show the limitations of language. | | | |
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| FRL & RDK fighters on 09:45 - Jun 5 with 1756 views | Guthrum |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 08:56 - Jun 5 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Accordimg to Ukrainian sources:
Ukrainian Intelligence has Prigozhin moving Wagner to protect Belgorod. They then speculate that he may pivot and attack the Kremlin.
Whether that speculation is based on any credible inside information or not almost doesn't matter. Ukrainian Intelligence is doing a job of amplifying divisions and creating a paranoid atmosphere for Putin to fester in.
The absolute dream scenario for Ukraine right now is for Prigozhin to make a unilateral move to Belgorod and for the Russian Ministry of Defence to oppose that, leading to a stand off between Wagner and the Russian Army, or, even better, for fighting to break out between them.
Although their forces may be small in number, the attacks on Belgorod by the Free Russia groups are hugely significant, and Ukrainian Intelligence is doing all it can to amplify their psychological effect. |
That fits with Prigozhin's narrative of his men doing the real work while the actual military just fiddle around. Positioning himself as the real protector of the Rodina, rather than Shoigu - or even Putin ... | |
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| FRL & RDK fighters on 12:42 - Jun 5 with 1593 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 09:45 - Jun 5 by Guthrum |
That fits with Prigozhin's narrative of his men doing the real work while the actual military just fiddle around. Positioning himself as the real protector of the Rodina, rather than Shoigu - or even Putin ... |
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/05/wagner-group-release-video-of-capt
It is really happening! Complete breakdown of trust between Wagner and Russian Army on the ground. Shots fired. Senior officer captured and humiliated.
Meanwhile the Free Russia brigades announce that they have captured 10 Russian soldiers. | | | |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 13:52 - Jun 5 with 1531 views | Kievthegreat |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 07:06 - Jun 5 by BlueNomad |
My enemy's enemy is my friend..................... |
Supposed Churchill quote:
"If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." |  | | |
| FRL & RDK fighters on 14:27 - Jun 5 with 1488 views | Guthrum |
If Putin doesn't rein in Prigozhin, then the army may feel sufficiently p1ssed off to mount a coup themselves. Unlike Wagner, they have the forces to potentially make it work.
Tho the likes of Shoigu are equally dependent upon Putin for their authority. | |
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