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Donacien shoulder challehe 18:02 - Aug 6 with 1608 viewsandytown

Penalty to Sunderland or not?
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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:03 - Aug 6 with 1591 viewscooperd5

Bit soft for a pen, ref been excellent so far
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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:03 - Aug 6 with 1584 viewsHerbivore

Would've been on the soft side but seen them given.

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:03 - Aug 6 with 1566 viewsGeoffSentence

It's a yes from me. Was in the back and knocked him over. We got away with that.

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:04 - Aug 6 with 1525 viewsnoggin

Are shoulder barges not allowed these days?

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:04 - Aug 6 with 1529 viewsCrockerITFC

Its a yes from me too, but no doubt the ref will even it out in the second half, he's been good so far
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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:04 - Aug 6 with 1528 viewsFtnfwest

I genuinely wouldn’t have been screaming for one if it was us, but yes seen them given
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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:04 - Aug 6 with 1527 viewsWicklowBlue

I shouted "Oh No!!" when Janoi miscontrolled the ball right into the path of Clark. I thought it was a clumsy shoulder and a peno. Thankfully the Ref made the correct decision.
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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:04 - Aug 6 with 1495 viewsWhos_blue

50/50 for me.

Clumsy from Donacian, but Clarke clearly looking for it, so put doubt in refs mind.
Sky are saying def pen at HT. Fk em.

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:05 - Aug 6 with 1477 viewsChrisd

I’d expect it to be given if that was on Hirst in their area.

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:05 - Aug 6 with 1476 viewsLankHenners

In the 'seen them given' category but Clarke was going across him to get fouled so can see why the ref didn't point to the spot.

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:05 - Aug 6 with 1441 viewsFrimleyBlue

No but still surprised it wasn't given

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:06 - Aug 6 with 1429 viewsNutkins_Return

No but I was worried in real time. For me he gets level enough and Clarke goes down far too easily. Playing for ig and Ref didn't buy it. Replay for me showed it wasn't a pen.

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:06 - Aug 6 with 1403 viewspointofblue

Clarke may have been given it if he hadn't been playing like Bambi on ice for much of the half.

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:07 - Aug 6 with 1383 viewsJimmy86

I think it would have been given, had he not stuck his hand out, thinking it was a penalty...
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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:09 - Aug 6 with 1348 viewsiamatractorboy

Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:04 - Aug 6 by noggin

Are shoulder barges not allowed these days?


Not in the back, no. Thought it was a pen, as soon as you're behind the attacker, doing something like that you're asking for trouble really. Got lucky.
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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:24 - Aug 6 with 1242 viewsDurovigutum

They’ve changed the interpretation and this is no longer a penalty. I had a long discussion with an EPL ref two weeks ago where the sending off of Diaz for City v Fulham was used as the example - red last year not even a penalty this.
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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:27 - Aug 6 with 1217 viewsRyorry

Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:03 - Aug 6 by GeoffSentence

It's a yes from me. Was in the back and knocked him over. We got away with that.


Looked like it from the irt camera front view, but not from the one behind shown in replay (which I think was the ref's view?)

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:27 - Aug 6 with 1216 viewsTractorWood

Both been denied obvious penalties IMHO.

So shrug.

I know that was then, but it could be again..
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Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:28 - Aug 6 with 1200 viewsDanTheMan

I think so, but then we had one denied that was even more obvious so it's evened out at least.

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 19:53 - Aug 6 with 1130 viewsNutkins_Return

Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:27 - Aug 6 by TractorWood

Both been denied obvious penalties IMHO.

So shrug.


There's was a 'seen them given' type. Ours was absolute stonewall and a red as well. Bottled it.

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 19:58 - Aug 6 with 1074 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

If everyone takes the blinkers off it was a penalty (although obviously less of a pen than the Hirst one). He also gave the ball away a good amount including getting Morsy booked, conceding needless corner etc. Don’t mean to single him out but he shouldn’t be anything more than cover (which I assume is the plan anyway).
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Donacien shoulder challehe on 20:00 - Aug 6 with 1027 viewspointofblue

Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:27 - Aug 6 by TractorWood

Both been denied obvious penalties IMHO.

So shrug.


I'd says ours was far more obvious than their's. Theirs was seen them given, seen them not without VAR. Ours was a stonewaller. Reckon the ref didn't dare give it after the decision in the first half, espeically as their centre back would have been due a red card too.

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 20:02 - Aug 6 with 1001 viewsGeoffSentence

Donacien shoulder challehe on 18:28 - Aug 6 by DanTheMan

I think so, but then we had one denied that was even more obvious so it's evened out at least.


But theirs was the first so could say it was game changing.

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Donacien shoulder challehe on 20:05 - Aug 6 with 961 viewsHerbivore

Donacien shoulder challehe on 20:00 - Aug 6 by pointofblue

I'd says ours was far more obvious than their's. Theirs was seen them given, seen them not without VAR. Ours was a stonewaller. Reckon the ref didn't dare give it after the decision in the first half, espeically as their centre back would have been due a red card too.


I think with VAR, the one on Clarke they don't intervene as it's not a clear and obvious error. The one on Hirst, he's being called to his monitor no question.

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