| Anybody on here read this yet? 08:34 - Sep 9 with 1113 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/sep/09/doppelganger-a-trip-into-the-mirro
"Liberals and leftists like to reassure ourselves that we know when to trust the elites (on vaccine safety or climate science, say) and when not to (if corporate branding or billionaire-owned media are involved). But this same attitude of studied suspicion is at work among vaccine sceptics and online wellness communities, all of whom pride themselves on doing their “own research”. Marxists and sociologists have theories as to how money and power knit modern societies together – but so does Steve Bannon. Precisely how these differ is not always easy to specify, at least not in the kinds of online environments where so much public discourse now takes place."
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| Anybody on here read this yet? on 08:47 - Sep 9 with 1045 views | nodge_blue |
Im not sure what the premise is; we all have our different perspectives and research them as emphatically and then argue about them online??
Im pretty sure we all know that already!
edit - having read the article, I suppose its more implying that far left and far right go after some of the same targets and echo the same rhetoric in different ways? i.e. anti vax. Storming of congress to bring down governments.
Some of this echos what I have said on here before. The left and right are polarising and splitting the centre ground. Either by targeting the same things in different ways or by just pulling so hard on the tug of war rope that the centre starts to pull apart. [Post edited 9 Sep 2023 8:57]
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| Anybody on here read this yet? on 09:02 - Sep 9 with 1011 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Anybody on here read this yet? on 08:47 - Sep 9 by nodge_blue |
Im not sure what the premise is; we all have our different perspectives and research them as emphatically and then argue about them online??
Im pretty sure we all know that already!
edit - having read the article, I suppose its more implying that far left and far right go after some of the same targets and echo the same rhetoric in different ways? i.e. anti vax. Storming of congress to bring down governments.
Some of this echos what I have said on here before. The left and right are polarising and splitting the centre ground. Either by targeting the same things in different ways or by just pulling so hard on the tug of war rope that the centre starts to pull apart. [Post edited 9 Sep 2023 8:57]
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This is what interests me....
'The powers of “surveillance capital” and big pharma are real, yet hard to measure. Klein herself has drawn attention to those threats in her own work. But what if the online grifters and paranoid YouTubers speak to everyday anxieties about such things better than the left does? This is a worry that runs throughout Doppelganger. Has the left messed up? Does the right understand people better? Is Naomi Wolf even on “the right” anyway?' | |
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| Anybody on here read this yet? on 09:09 - Sep 9 with 998 views | NthQldITFC |
| Anybody on here read this yet? on 09:02 - Sep 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
This is what interests me....
'The powers of “surveillance capital” and big pharma are real, yet hard to measure. Klein herself has drawn attention to those threats in her own work. But what if the online grifters and paranoid YouTubers speak to everyday anxieties about such things better than the left does? This is a worry that runs throughout Doppelganger. Has the left messed up? Does the right understand people better? Is Naomi Wolf even on “the right” anyway?' |
Does it boil down to having to accept that the typical human being values self above society and no longer has the time/space/capacity within the modern environment to assess how an issue affects self and society in an inescapably linked way? |  |
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| Anybody on here read this yet? on 09:16 - Sep 9 with 982 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Anybody on here read this yet? on 09:09 - Sep 9 by NthQldITFC |
Does it boil down to having to accept that the typical human being values self above society and no longer has the time/space/capacity within the modern environment to assess how an issue affects self and society in an inescapably linked way? |
I certainly share your concerns although by nature I still believe us to be societal rather than ruthlessly individual. Unfortunately those with the power to 'lead' us and shape our desires prefer us to be the latter imho. | |
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| Anybody on here read this yet? on 09:29 - Sep 9 with 956 views | NthQldITFC |
| Anybody on here read this yet? on 09:16 - Sep 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I certainly share your concerns although by nature I still believe us to be societal rather than ruthlessly individual. Unfortunately those with the power to 'lead' us and shape our desires prefer us to be the latter imho. |
Yes. It will be 'interesting' to see whether that societal nature and an actual well-founded self preservation instinct, driving the individual back into the protection of and by society, will be able to provide an antidote to the drug of consumerism when the sh!t hits the fan! | |
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| Anybody on here read this yet? on 09:40 - Sep 9 with 934 views | WeWereZombies |
I think I need to get around to reading Marshall McLuhan's 'The Gutenberg Galaxy' first... |  |
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| Anybody on here read this yet? on 09:48 - Sep 9 with 920 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Anybody on here read this yet? on 09:29 - Sep 9 by NthQldITFC |
Yes. It will be 'interesting' to see whether that societal nature and an actual well-founded self preservation instinct, driving the individual back into the protection of and by society, will be able to provide an antidote to the drug of consumerism when the sh!t hits the fan! |
Probably way too late.....more likely we will all fiddle!!
Do your best Keno, Hoppy etc.... | |
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| Anybody on here read this yet? on 11:27 - Sep 9 with 836 views | nodge_blue |
| Anybody on here read this yet? on 09:02 - Sep 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
This is what interests me....
'The powers of “surveillance capital” and big pharma are real, yet hard to measure. Klein herself has drawn attention to those threats in her own work. But what if the online grifters and paranoid YouTubers speak to everyday anxieties about such things better than the left does? This is a worry that runs throughout Doppelganger. Has the left messed up? Does the right understand people better? Is Naomi Wolf even on “the right” anyway?' |
Im sure they do. You only have to look at documentaries on Trump supporters to see they have virtually been brain washed and believe a narrative that common sense has left behind. The same happens in Russia right now. Control the narrative and control the truth. And suppress the rest.
There is so much lies and disinformation on virtually any topic now that it's frightening. And with AI I think it can only get worse.
Many people can be against the state and the establishment, but still be on the far right. See the nazis party rise and even the facial coup plot in Germany last year.
Better stay in the centre ground, see arguments on all sides and muddle along in a series of compromises. That's probably the 20th century in a nutshell. But along the way society probably balanced more to the left in terms of where the century started. | |
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