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12 Greatest Centre Halves 09:08 - Sep 10 with 6530 viewsChurchman

Following the Axel arrival and forwards 12 let’s try best CHs

1. Allan Hunter
2. Kevin Beattie
3. Terry Butcher
4. Russell Osman
5. Bill Baxter
6. Andy Nelson
7. Tony Mowbray
8. Mark Venus
9. Jason De Vos
10. Hermann Hreidarsson
11. Derek Jefferson (Chopper)
12. Luke Chambers

Honourable mentions to Macauley, Berra, Smith, McGreal, Linighan and apologies to the pre 1960s players who I know by name only. John Wark could easily be included, but he goes in 12 best midfielders so I’ve cheated a bit. I’ve no doubt people will put Beattie above Hunter, but I just feel Big Al was a more important player for us over a longer period.

There’s a lot of good players there.
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 11:25 - Sep 10 with 1655 viewschicoazul

Butcher
Osman
Beattie
Titus
Hunter
Wark 92
Mogga
McGreal
Sedgely
Claus Thomsen
JDV
Venus
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 11:33 - Sep 10 with 1639 viewsCBMTOBWMMBG

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 10:25 - Sep 10 by Mach_foreignBlue

No I don't take any notice of that as there are a few bizarre things about some of our fans. Clapping and applauding him and the rest of the players for the relegation and its manner for example. Or defending Evans throughout the years where it was obvious the only way with him was down. Mind-boggling is an understatement.


Chambers is nowhere near the Top 12 centre half's and was certainly a limited player (though often played out of position), but your insults of him are beyond the pale.

You don't know him, you have no idea what he was going through captaining a club in decline with a succession of appalling managers, and yet you throw personal brickbats like confetti. I hope no-one ever does the same to you.

Mind boggling indeed
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 11:40 - Sep 10 with 1621 viewsNthQldITFC

Thomas Gaardsoe.

I'm sure that at the time I was very impressed with him, but I can't really remember him playing that clearly. Was he as good as I remember, and would he suit our style of play now?

Just found this from the Star:
'Gaardsoe’s departure left new signings Drissa Diallo and Georges Santos to form a new central-defensive partnership under Royle, with those players a far cry from the standard the Dane found himself playing alongside when he moved to England in 2001.' - strewth!
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 11:44 - Sep 10 with 1617 viewsHerbivore

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 10:25 - Sep 10 by Mach_foreignBlue

No I don't take any notice of that as there are a few bizarre things about some of our fans. Clapping and applauding him and the rest of the players for the relegation and its manner for example. Or defending Evans throughout the years where it was obvious the only way with him was down. Mind-boggling is an understatement.


Think most people thought Evans wasn't a great owner, not sure there were many people who thought he was doing a good job.

Chambo is borderline top 12 for me. Defo in with a shout but it's close.

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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 12:01 - Sep 10 with 1583 viewsheavyweight

Wark, Bramble and possibly Cranson deserve a mention
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 12:44 - Sep 10 with 1560 viewsMach_foreignBlue

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 11:33 - Sep 10 by CBMTOBWMMBG

Chambers is nowhere near the Top 12 centre half's and was certainly a limited player (though often played out of position), but your insults of him are beyond the pale.

You don't know him, you have no idea what he was going through captaining a club in decline with a succession of appalling managers, and yet you throw personal brickbats like confetti. I hope no-one ever does the same to you.

Mind boggling indeed


A succession of appalling managers ! Here we go again ! Lets play blame the managers game !

Three managers were bad and appalling but our captain was so great funny agenda

And yes I know what he was going through during that time. Nice and easy payday for him at the rest as Evans didn't care. Plus a few sweet cliches in the interviews to keep some people happy.

As Andre Dozzell once said Ipswich had been a comfortable zone for him. Not a rocket science as we had seen a big number of poor performances. Obviously the limited footballers but they lacked a desire, character and there is no excuse for a lack of fight. Chambers was a captain and he was terrible. Evidence? All we saw on the pitch. But lets blame the managers blah blah blah.

Not only did he and the rest relegate us without a fight there was also a lack of real effort to get us out of League One. But again, that's Evans who allowed that rotten culture to set in and the players were just happy to pick up the money.

You will tell me I am wrong. Fine ! Carry on with your 'lets blame the managers' game.
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 13:18 - Sep 10 with 1535 viewsElephantintheRoom

´great’ seems to have lost its meaning by about 6th place. Based on their ability to be good in the top division I’d rate McGreal, Bramble, Cranson, Linighan and John Wark above any of your bottom six. Wacky was an excellent central defender in his early appearances - and his reinvented dotage.

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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 13:33 - Sep 10 with 1529 viewsNeedhamChris

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 10:27 - Sep 10 by Churchman

Firstly, like McGreal I forgot all about him. Secondly he only made about 50 appearances. Awesome talent though Titus was, and he gave Roy Keane and that annoying Sunderland player Nicky Summerbee a good booting, he doesn’t make my top 12.

There will be plenty of players I’ve missed, I’m sure. It was a list for discussion.


And a good discussion. I'm just not sure it's the right list for Chambo.

Best captains, you could make an argument for. Right backs - maybe also okay if you include his wider impact. But as a CB? His impact for us as a CB is limited at best.

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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 13:35 - Sep 10 with 1533 viewsNeedhamChris

I asked ChatGpt this question and to be honest - might be one the more interesting lists..

Determining the 12 greatest Ipswich Town centre-backs in the club's history is subjective and can vary depending on personal opinions. However, here are some notable centre-backs who have made significant contributions to the club:

1. Terry Butcher
2. Kevin Beattie
3. Allan Hunter
4. Mick Mills
5. John Wark
6. Russell Osman
7. Titus Bramble
8. Jason Cundy
9. John McGreal
10. George Burley
11. Phil Whelan
12. Matt Holland (who played as a centre-back at times)

Please note that this list is not exhaustive, and opinions on the greatest players can vary widely among fans. These players, however, are often recognized for their contributions to Ipswich Town as centre-backs.
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 13:44 - Sep 10 with 1505 viewsHerbivore

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 13:35 - Sep 10 by NeedhamChris

I asked ChatGpt this question and to be honest - might be one the more interesting lists..

Determining the 12 greatest Ipswich Town centre-backs in the club's history is subjective and can vary depending on personal opinions. However, here are some notable centre-backs who have made significant contributions to the club:

1. Terry Butcher
2. Kevin Beattie
3. Allan Hunter
4. Mick Mills
5. John Wark
6. Russell Osman
7. Titus Bramble
8. Jason Cundy
9. John McGreal
10. George Burley
11. Phil Whelan
12. Matt Holland (who played as a centre-back at times)

Please note that this list is not exhaustive, and opinions on the greatest players can vary widely among fans. These players, however, are often recognized for their contributions to Ipswich Town as centre-backs.
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Burley, Mills and Holland are interesting shouts. Cundy and Whelan too, for different reasons

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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 17:23 - Sep 10 with 1405 viewsWeWereZombies

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 13:44 - Sep 10 by Herbivore

Burley, Mills and Holland are interesting shouts. Cundy and Whelan too, for different reasons


Interesting as to whether anyone ever saw Burley playing in the centre of defence (either from the way the team lined up at the start of a match or positionally evolved over the course of the match...)

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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 17:40 - Sep 10 with 1400 viewsmrfixit426

Good list but Ian Cranson was better than the entire bottom half. He was a monster. I don't think I ever saw him lose a ball in the air.
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 19:28 - Sep 10 with 1357 viewsEpiphone

Tony Humes?
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 19:40 - Sep 10 with 1357 viewsnoggin

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 10:25 - Sep 10 by Mach_foreignBlue

No I don't take any notice of that as there are a few bizarre things about some of our fans. Clapping and applauding him and the rest of the players for the relegation and its manner for example. Or defending Evans throughout the years where it was obvious the only way with him was down. Mind-boggling is an understatement.


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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 20:06 - Sep 10 with 1331 viewsStewart27

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 10:12 - Sep 10 by Herbivore

Don't you ever look at the fact that literally everyone else has a lot of time and respect for Chambo and consider that you might be the one in the wrong?


Of course people have respect for Chambers. He was a good defender for us during an awful time in our history. And he loved the club.

That doesn’t mean he should be getting anywhere near our best 12 ever. He was an average championship defender who played a lot of games for us. This isn’t a bad thing by the way. I hope we find out that Woolfie and Burgess will be average championship defenders come the end of this season.

I think we need to be looking at defenders who played in the top flight. It really is quality over quantity here.
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 20:42 - Sep 10 with 1302 viewsredrickstuhaart

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 13:44 - Sep 10 by Herbivore

Burley, Mills and Holland are interesting shouts. Cundy and Whelan too, for different reasons


Cundy was a very decent centre back.
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 21:07 - Sep 10 with 1293 viewsHerbivore

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 20:42 - Sep 10 by redrickstuhaart

Cundy was a very decent centre back.


He wasn't bad but he wasn't great either. Not a chance he troubles our top 12.

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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 21:12 - Sep 10 with 1291 viewsBlueBadger

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 21:07 - Sep 10 by Herbivore

He wasn't bad but he wasn't great either. Not a chance he troubles our top 12.


And his Chelsea licking is plain embarrassing.

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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 06:33 - Sep 11 with 1246 viewsIPS_wich

I'll just go with those from my viewing (1980 onwards) - so Hunter just misses out.

I don't carry the dislike for Chambers that some do - but I thought he was a liability at centre back and underrated at right back - so he doesn't make the list. Similar to Herman, a liability at centre back, but a damn fine left back.

1: Beattie
2: Butcher
3: Osman
4: Mowbray
5: Wark
6: MacAuley (in my view the best centre back we've had in the 21st century)
7: Cranson
8: Venus
9: Linighan
10: Humes
11: McGreal
12: Thomsen

Berra and De Vos very unlucky to miss out.
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 07:20 - Sep 11 with 1223 viewsKropotkin123

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 10:12 - Sep 10 by Herbivore

Don't you ever look at the fact that literally everyone else has a lot of time and respect for Chambo and consider that you might be the one in the wrong?


Vastly overrated. Not even the best CH we had in league one. Adam Webster goes on to play in the premiership and Chambers in League one. Good professional but probably not in our best 20 CH.

Titus Bramble is a massive omission.

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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 07:47 - Sep 11 with 1208 viewsChurchman

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 07:20 - Sep 11 by Kropotkin123

Vastly overrated. Not even the best CH we had in league one. Adam Webster goes on to play in the premiership and Chambers in League one. Good professional but probably not in our best 20 CH.

Titus Bramble is a massive omission.


The reason why I bunged Chambers in is early in the thread. Bramble is a good shout. But his career was very much developing when he was with us. More so with Webster. McGreal for me is the one player I’d add in.
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 08:01 - Sep 11 with 1191 viewsHerbivore

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 07:47 - Sep 11 by Churchman

The reason why I bunged Chambers in is early in the thread. Bramble is a good shout. But his career was very much developing when he was with us. More so with Webster. McGreal for me is the one player I’d add in.


Bramble also had one good season with us, one dodgy season, and then was sold. I do think longevity is a reasonable thing to take into account in these debates.

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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 08:20 - Sep 11 with 1180 viewsKropotkin123

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 07:47 - Sep 11 by Churchman

The reason why I bunged Chambers in is early in the thread. Bramble is a good shout. But his career was very much developing when he was with us. More so with Webster. McGreal for me is the one player I’d add in.


Yeah, I saw. I just think people go over the top with rating Chambers.

I might try and put my own list up later. Visiting the in-laws though, so don't want to get in trouble by being absent :/

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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 08:35 - Sep 11 with 1172 viewssolemio

Anyone who doesn't put Kevin Beattie at No 1 doesn't know what they are talking about.
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12 Greatest Centre Halves on 08:37 - Sep 11 with 1168 viewssolemio

12 Greatest Centre Halves on 06:33 - Sep 11 by IPS_wich

I'll just go with those from my viewing (1980 onwards) - so Hunter just misses out.

I don't carry the dislike for Chambers that some do - but I thought he was a liability at centre back and underrated at right back - so he doesn't make the list. Similar to Herman, a liability at centre back, but a damn fine left back.

1: Beattie
2: Butcher
3: Osman
4: Mowbray
5: Wark
6: MacAuley (in my view the best centre back we've had in the 21st century)
7: Cranson
8: Venus
9: Linighan
10: Humes
11: McGreal
12: Thomsen

Berra and De Vos very unlucky to miss out.


Not as unlucky as Alan Hunter - 6' 2 eyes of blue.
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