| So in a protest for peace 10:20 - Nov 12 with 18214 views | GlasgowBlue |
Peter Tatchell was stopped from marching for holding sings saying
“Free Palestine”.
“Armistice Now”.
“End Israel’s Occupation”. (Twice)
“End Hamas’s Sexist, Homophobic, AntiHuman Rights Dictatorship”
What part did the organisers disagree with?
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:53 - Nov 12 with 1581 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:41 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
This has been going on for weeks- in fact, immediately following the terrorist attacks of October 7th - and this clash with Armistice Day had been highlighted for a while. Now we see yet more genocidal chanting and placards. I take it posters on here are happy with all the anti-semantic chants and the placards from this "peaceful" march.Also, the poppy sellers that have been attacked and the Rochdale and Edinburgh war memorials being desecrated .and its my view and quite a few others Phil the mainstream media is left-wing it may not be your opinion but it is mine, but I forgot this is TWTD board and anything that's not left-wing needs to be stamped on and ban me if you like but you have allowed this board to become what it is a left-wing echo chamber |
No one has sought to justify "anti-semantic [sic] chants and the placards". Why do you choose to put peaceful in quote marks? Do you disagree that the march was peaceful but did have some law=breaking that the police are dealing with wherever they are aware of it?
More worryingly why do you choose to put far-right in quote marks to describe what even Braverman called the EDL?
If this was a left-wing echo chamber you would have been banned. People get banned for breaking the terms of the board and several of them have left-wing views. Plenty of those with right-wing views freely post them ... and get challenged over them. |  |
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| Ya daft lefty! (n/t) on 20:53 - Nov 12 with 1568 views | Bloots |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:51 - Nov 12 by PhilTWTD |
Have you read any of the posts in this thread and plenty of others? The chanting and placards you mention have been widely condemned by posters holding very differing views on the overall situation.
There are right wing posters on here and I've not banned you. You mention echo chambers but the idea that the mainstream media in this country is left wing is a view of far right social media bubbles and no one else and doesn't bear any serious analysis. |
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:53 - Nov 12 with 1585 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:47 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
Explain what is false and nonsense and give evidence if you have any |
I'll address some of the points, sure. You claimed people on here must support antisemitic chanting and placards. Literally everyone in this thread has condemned any antisemitism, so that's patently false. That the mainstream media isn't left wing isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. The two biggest newspapers in the UK are the Sun and the Mail, both of which are very much right wing. Add in the Express,.the Telegraph and, to a lesser extent, the Times and you have a mainstream press that is very much skewed to the right. In terms of broadcast media, there is no left wing equivalent of things like GB News which is very much right wing. The BBC and Sky News try to play with a straight bat and represent the political spectrum. As for the board being a left wing echo chamber, there are a range of views expressed on here, including your own, so that kind of blows that one out of the water. Oh, and the story about the poppy seller in Edinburgh seems to have been debunked, police have examined CCTV and there is no evidence of an assault taking place. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:55]
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| So in a protest for peace on 20:56 - Nov 12 with 1571 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:44 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Stopped clock and all that.
Edit. And may I apologise to anyone I've offended on this thread by going in hard. I'm really struggling seeing the widespread fear in the British Jewish community, and those Jews living across the rest of the world (it's off the scale in the USA) that has manifested from the antisemitism we have seen since 7/10. It started whilst the bodies were still warm and being counted. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:47]
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Apology accepted, GB, the world is often a scary place for many people. I am sure all of us who post on here wish it wasn't. If anything we could do would help make it less scary for Jews right now, I am sure we would do it. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 21:14 - Nov 12 with 1480 views | JohnTy |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:56 - Nov 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Apology accepted, GB, the world is often a scary place for many people. I am sure all of us who post on here wish it wasn't. If anything we could do would help make it less scary for Jews right now, I am sure we would do it. |
I have been reading a very long article on the problems community leaders are dealing with in Manchester, with some worrying fears expressed by one about the future. The images we see daily on our screens will undoubtedly radicalise many, as did those after the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
https://manchestermill.co.uk/p/what-does-war-in-the-middle-east |  | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 21:14 - Nov 12 with 1481 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:44 - Nov 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Stopped clock and all that.
Edit. And may I apologise to anyone I've offended on this thread by going in hard. I'm really struggling seeing the widespread fear in the British Jewish community, and those Jews living across the rest of the world (it's off the scale in the USA) that has manifested from the antisemitism we have seen since 7/10. It started whilst the bodies were still warm and being counted. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:47]
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No need to apologise as far as I'm concerned but I'm sure others will appreciate it. I've always fully understood that this is an emotive topic for you and that you have more invested in this than most of us. The whole situation is dire and thoroughly depressing, it's awful to see Jewish people in the UK and elsewhere fearing for their safety. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 21:19 - Nov 12 with 1451 views | redrickstuhaart |
| So in a protest for peace on 21:14 - Nov 12 by Herbivore |
No need to apologise as far as I'm concerned but I'm sure others will appreciate it. I've always fully understood that this is an emotive topic for you and that you have more invested in this than most of us. The whole situation is dire and thoroughly depressing, it's awful to see Jewish people in the UK and elsewhere fearing for their safety. |
It is unfortunate that Israel are behaving in a way that encourages this and that the unique nature of Judaism and Israel means that people immediately connect the two in a way other nations don't get caught with. |  | | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 21:40 - Nov 12 with 1384 views | eireblue |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:53 - Nov 12 by Herbivore |
I'll address some of the points, sure. You claimed people on here must support antisemitic chanting and placards. Literally everyone in this thread has condemned any antisemitism, so that's patently false. That the mainstream media isn't left wing isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. The two biggest newspapers in the UK are the Sun and the Mail, both of which are very much right wing. Add in the Express,.the Telegraph and, to a lesser extent, the Times and you have a mainstream press that is very much skewed to the right. In terms of broadcast media, there is no left wing equivalent of things like GB News which is very much right wing. The BBC and Sky News try to play with a straight bat and represent the political spectrum. As for the board being a left wing echo chamber, there are a range of views expressed on here, including your own, so that kind of blows that one out of the water. Oh, and the story about the poppy seller in Edinburgh seems to have been debunked, police have examined CCTV and there is no evidence of an assault taking place. [Post edited 12 Nov 2023 20:55]
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The story of the war memorial in Edinburgh being vandalised was from last year, so out of that list one thing was correct, the Rochdale War memorial being vandalised.
So it would seem the far right EDL, football lads, in protecting war memorials, so far have achieved, getting p*ssed up, fighting with the people paid to protect the memorials, almost p*ssing on a memorial, and being at the wrong memorial at the wrong time.
It’s not really a record to be proud of. |  | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 21:43 - Nov 12 with 1381 views | Trequartista |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:41 - Nov 12 by bluebudgie |
This has been going on for weeks- in fact, immediately following the terrorist attacks of October 7th - and this clash with Armistice Day had been highlighted for a while. Now we see yet more genocidal chanting and placards. I take it posters on here are happy with all the anti-semantic chants and the placards from this "peaceful" march.Also, the poppy sellers that have been attacked and the Rochdale and Edinburgh war memorials being desecrated .and its my view and quite a few others Phil the mainstream media is left-wing it may not be your opinion but it is mine, but I forgot this is TWTD board and anything that's not left-wing needs to be stamped on and ban me if you like but you have allowed this board to become what it is a left-wing echo chamber |
There are certainly a majority of left-wing views on here, that much is true, who knows why that is, but in no way is that down to Mr Phil banning people for their views.
The overwhelming majority of posters that have been banned have been booted off for their behaviour, whether that be abusive posts or deliberately baiting other posters etc. People have to post some pretty extreme stuff to get banned for their views. There is quite a strong correlation between the banned abusive posters and their extreme left or extreme right views, but's that's neither here nor there really. |  |
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| So in a protest for peace on 23:42 - Nov 12 with 1290 views | orfordbuoy |
| So in a protest for peace on 21:43 - Nov 12 by Trequartista |
There are certainly a majority of left-wing views on here, that much is true, who knows why that is, but in no way is that down to Mr Phil banning people for their views.
The overwhelming majority of posters that have been banned have been booted off for their behaviour, whether that be abusive posts or deliberately baiting other posters etc. People have to post some pretty extreme stuff to get banned for their views. There is quite a strong correlation between the banned abusive posters and their extreme left or extreme right views, but's that's neither here nor there really. |
but today a lad was banned by Phil for saying something along the lines that multiculturism is not working - which is valid opinion among the population as a whole. A poster took the easy path and accused him of being a racist and Phil banned him. Debate shut done.
The problem here is the 'left' can call the 'right' a racist, but the 'right' has nothing simlar to fight back with. This could explain the huge imbalance on here, in particular and the media, in general. |  | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 00:16 - Nov 13 with 1237 views | Whos_blue |
| So in a protest for peace on 23:42 - Nov 12 by orfordbuoy |
but today a lad was banned by Phil for saying something along the lines that multiculturism is not working - which is valid opinion among the population as a whole. A poster took the easy path and accused him of being a racist and Phil banned him. Debate shut done.
The problem here is the 'left' can call the 'right' a racist, but the 'right' has nothing simlar to fight back with. This could explain the huge imbalance on here, in particular and the media, in general. |
I hadn't seen that someone had been banned today, so not sure of the thread nor the context of what was said.
As far as I've ever seen, the admin here are very patient and allow some rather challenging stuff to run before taking action. I've always taken their position to be supportive of free speech, unless of course the comments are completely unacceptable.
I wouldn't ask you to repeat what was said as I'm sure the admin have banned the other user for a reason.
Users generally have to go quite far with their views or general discourse with fellow posters before the ban hammer is lifted.
With your knowledge of what was said, do you think they shouldn't have been banned?
If you uphold right wing views yourself and feel you can't expressthem freely here, I would imagine there are numerous safe places you could share those views.
Try posting some centre right stuff to test the water before moving on to the more overt right wing stuff.
Maybe just use this place for football chat if you think the general thread isn't right wing enough.
Regarding those with right wing views not being able to counter the "racist" accusation, try fighting back with "woke".
That's the usual phrase aimed at lefty bumfesters.
FWIW, I completely disagree that the population as a whole thinks multiculturalism isn't working.
There is little evidence of that, unless you have some (that isn't racist of course). |  |
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| So in a protest for peace on 00:54 - Nov 13 with 1205 views | Zapers |
| So in a protest for peace on 21:18 - Nov 12 by Swansea_Blue |
TWTD - lefty bumfest-orama, just the way we like it!!
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| So in a protest for peace on 07:35 - Nov 13 with 1120 views | StokieBlue |
| So in a protest for peace on 23:42 - Nov 12 by orfordbuoy |
but today a lad was banned by Phil for saying something along the lines that multiculturism is not working - which is valid opinion among the population as a whole. A poster took the easy path and accused him of being a racist and Phil banned him. Debate shut done.
The problem here is the 'left' can call the 'right' a racist, but the 'right' has nothing simlar to fight back with. This could explain the huge imbalance on here, in particular and the media, in general. |
I don't believe that's the view of the population as a whole, it's the view of people who want a bogeyman to blame issues on and who have been taken in by the distraction tactics of the government and other right-wing sources.
It's also highly amusing that you claim the media and the forum is an echo chamber whilst pushing the narrative of right wing echo chambers.
Phil and others have already pointed out the media isn't left wing, repeating it and infinitum doesn't make it true. Please post some empirical evidence or stop saying it.
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| So in a protest for peace on 07:39 - Nov 13 with 1097 views | wkj |
| So in a protest for peace on 23:42 - Nov 12 by orfordbuoy |
but today a lad was banned by Phil for saying something along the lines that multiculturism is not working - which is valid opinion among the population as a whole. A poster took the easy path and accused him of being a racist and Phil banned him. Debate shut done.
The problem here is the 'left' can call the 'right' a racist, but the 'right' has nothing simlar to fight back with. This could explain the huge imbalance on here, in particular and the media, in general. |
I think you'll find that lad had almost exclusively been posting bait and provocation for some time and as far as I am aware was allowed back after a warning ban. There are some on here with no interest in football, or engaging in any kind of community spirited discussion - Like Pickles and his many returns to the board, LaManga was one such character [Post edited 13 Nov 2023 7:40]
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| So in a protest for peace on 07:40 - Nov 13 with 1098 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 07:35 - Nov 13 by StokieBlue |
I don't believe that's the view of the population as a whole, it's the view of people who want a bogeyman to blame issues on and who have been taken in by the distraction tactics of the government and other right-wing sources.
It's also highly amusing that you claim the media and the forum is an echo chamber whilst pushing the narrative of right wing echo chambers.
Phil and others have already pointed out the media isn't left wing, repeating it and infinitum doesn't make it true. Please post some empirical evidence or stop saying it.
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Indeed. The view that the media is left-wing or that there is some sort of left-wing 'establishment' that is really running things is one of the most common conspiracy theories in right-wing echo chambers. It doesn't stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny. The poster who was banned was, I suspect, not just banned for suggesting that a load of violent right-wing thugs attacking the police on Saturday was evidence that multiculturalism has failed, but rather for a lot of their other posting which has trodden a similarly dubious line. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 07:46 - Nov 13 with 1062 views | DJR |
| So in a protest for peace on 20:32 - Nov 12 by redrickstuhaart |
Im intrigued by this mainstream media thing.
I reckon, mainstream media in this country must be
BBC, ITV, C4 (2 neutral, 1 a bit lefty)
Sun, Times, Mail Express, Guardian, Mirror, Independent (4 overtly right wing, 2 left)
R4, Talkradio, Times Radio, LBC - 1 neutral, 2 right wing, 1 right more than left but mixed.
GB News, Sky 1 neutral, one rabidly right wing.
Any more obvious ones? |
Telegraph and Talk TV are right wing. |  | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 07:48 - Nov 13 with 1045 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 07:46 - Nov 13 by DJR |
Telegraph and Talk TV are right wing. |
Not sure where the poster is placing LBC either. O'Brien aside, LBC is predominantly right-wing. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 07:49 - Nov 13 with 1046 views | bluelagos |
| So in a protest for peace on 23:42 - Nov 12 by orfordbuoy |
but today a lad was banned by Phil for saying something along the lines that multiculturism is not working - which is valid opinion among the population as a whole. A poster took the easy path and accused him of being a racist and Phil banned him. Debate shut done.
The problem here is the 'left' can call the 'right' a racist, but the 'right' has nothing simlar to fight back with. This could explain the huge imbalance on here, in particular and the media, in general. |
EDL fanboy showed his hand, got called out, got banned.
A lot more nuanced than how you present it. In your head his banning has stifled debate, but I guess the site owner doesn't wish to have EDL types spouting their racist cr*p on here, as is his choice.
If that's a problem then maybe this isn't the place for you? There are plenty of right wingers on here as well as left wingers. But racists be they left or right wing rarely get a warm welcome.
Anyone can read the posts he made on a thread where the racist EDLs actions attacking the police were being debated, as well as anti-Semitic actions of some protesters.
Phil's decision is for him to justify, but I for one have no problems at all when racist posters are banned rather than engaged, there are plenty of social media places where those views can be debated if that is your desire. |  |
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| So in a protest for peace on 07:51 - Nov 13 with 1031 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 07:49 - Nov 13 by bluelagos |
EDL fanboy showed his hand, got called out, got banned.
A lot more nuanced than how you present it. In your head his banning has stifled debate, but I guess the site owner doesn't wish to have EDL types spouting their racist cr*p on here, as is his choice.
If that's a problem then maybe this isn't the place for you? There are plenty of right wingers on here as well as left wingers. But racists be they left or right wing rarely get a warm welcome.
Anyone can read the posts he made on a thread where the racist EDLs actions attacking the police were being debated, as well as anti-Semitic actions of some protesters.
Phil's decision is for him to justify, but I for one have no problems at all when racist posters are banned rather than engaged, there are plenty of social media places where those views can be debated if that is your desire. |
To add to that, the poster in question had zero interest in debate anyway and pointedly refused to ever respond in a meaningful way when challenged on their views. They were only interested in spreading bile and trying to get a rise out of people. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 08:20 - Nov 13 with 974 views | JohnTy |
| So in a protest for peace on 07:48 - Nov 13 by Herbivore |
Not sure where the poster is placing LBC either. O'Brien aside, LBC is predominantly right-wing. |
I am always surprised when O'Brien is labelled left wing. He voted for Johnson as Mayor of London. I guess it shows how far our political spectrum has slipped to the right. Ted Heath would be considered left wing by many nowadays. | | | |
| So in a protest for peace on 08:26 - Nov 13 with 955 views | Herbivore |
| So in a protest for peace on 08:20 - Nov 13 by JohnTy |
I am always surprised when O'Brien is labelled left wing. He voted for Johnson as Mayor of London. I guess it shows how far our political spectrum has slipped to the right. Ted Heath would be considered left wing by many nowadays. |
Yes, I'd personally characterise O'Brien as a fairly old school liberal, pretty much slap bang centrist in most respects. You're correct that it shows the slip to the right that he is considered a lefty, but that seems to be where we're at as a country. Lots of folk talk about TWTD being left-wing when I'd say it's pretty centrist but those on the right these days are often so far to the right that centrism looks left-wing. | |
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| So in a protest for peace on 08:31 - Nov 13 with 943 views | Buhrer |
| So in a protest for peace on 07:49 - Nov 13 by bluelagos |
EDL fanboy showed his hand, got called out, got banned.
A lot more nuanced than how you present it. In your head his banning has stifled debate, but I guess the site owner doesn't wish to have EDL types spouting their racist cr*p on here, as is his choice.
If that's a problem then maybe this isn't the place for you? There are plenty of right wingers on here as well as left wingers. But racists be they left or right wing rarely get a warm welcome.
Anyone can read the posts he made on a thread where the racist EDLs actions attacking the police were being debated, as well as anti-Semitic actions of some protesters.
Phil's decision is for him to justify, but I for one have no problems at all when racist posters are banned rather than engaged, there are plenty of social media places where those views can be debated if that is your desire. |
Left wing, Centrist, and Right wing TWTD posters. All Blues.
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| So in a protest for peace on 08:31 - Nov 13 with 937 views | Darth_Koont |
| So in a protest for peace on 08:26 - Nov 13 by Herbivore |
Yes, I'd personally characterise O'Brien as a fairly old school liberal, pretty much slap bang centrist in most respects. You're correct that it shows the slip to the right that he is considered a lefty, but that seems to be where we're at as a country. Lots of folk talk about TWTD being left-wing when I'd say it's pretty centrist but those on the right these days are often so far to the right that centrism looks left-wing. |
Indeed.
Also the flip side is true: people in the centre see the hard right views that have been normalised and then call themselves left-wing or centre-left as a result.
But they’re liberals not even social democrats. |  |
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