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If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? 08:28 - May 29 with 7481 views

On the basis of a 25 man squad I can see 17 of those here last season continuing and 8 players coming in (not including anyone returning from last season).

None of us want to see the club be reckless and no chance that Ashton, McKenna or Gamechanger are going out to spend £200m and put us at risk, but can see the ambition levels being the absolute maximum of what is achievable within that strategy. That was my feeling before McKenna agreed to stay, but if there was any wriggle room there I'd imagine that's now been enhanced due to the talks that have gone on.

Realistically of that 25 last time around I'd see it being something like:

Walton (transferred out)
Slicker
Hladky

Clarke
Davis
Edmundson
Woolfenden
Burgess
Williams (loan ended)
Tuanzebe
Donacien (released)

Morsy
Ball (released)
Taylor
Hutchison (hopefully signed)
Sarmiento (loan ends)
Luongo
Travis (loan ends)
Humphreys (loaned out)

Burns
Chaplin
Harness (transferred out)
Al Hamadi
Jackson
Aluko (retired)
Moore (loan ends)
Hirst
Broadhead

Would imagine they'll be a new GK either to start or be deemed a direct rival to Hladky for the starting line up.

At least one PL ready CB (Rodon would be the one I'd love to see as a ball playing defender for a reasonable fee).

A proper RB to compete with Clarke and potentially allow Axel to compete centrally.

A younger Luongo (Sheaf would be the one player that jumps out here). Probably two players here in reality, with Luongo and Taylor coming on as and when needed.

Can see Sarmiento coming back on loan. Likewise wouldn't be a shock to see Moore signed for a nominal PL fee of a few million. Think there are better options in the PL and it would be someone seen as a step up from Hirst to allow Hirst to be that 60-65 minute replacement.

With Hirst, Moore and Al Hamadi I think we'd get a few goals because of the system but would be concerned with how many they'd get.

Would be gutted to see Janoi go but it's inevitable now really. Harness is one McKenna likes but given his limited involvement in the back end of the season I'd say it's fairly obvious he will move on.

Jackson deserves a chance. He's a great squad option, has an attribute that will terrify even PL players, in games where we may have less of the ball he becomes even more of an asset. Not everyone's favourite, but what a story that would be for someone who went through all the dark days this club had and has just refused to be left out of the picture by putting in a real shift every time he's called upon.

Can imagine 2-4 purchases in the £7m - £12m bracket and maybe a couple of big £15m - £25m purchases, likely Omari is one of those - although a loan with an obligation to buy if we stay up would be very smart business too balancing the books wise.

As much as Chaplin and Broadhead did last season, topping the scoring charts, both of them were very quiet for large parts of matches and the hot take here would be neither of them being seen as starting options come the opening day as upgrades had been brought in, this is where I could see us going for a proper proven Premier League player or two.

If we got a PL quality CB, RB, CM, AM, LF and ST I'd be very very happy with the squads chances of doing a hell of a lot more than just staying up.

[Post edited 29 May 2024 8:31]

If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? on 10:51 - May 29 with 2197 views

cressi

Hladky not sure
Walton out
Slicker stay
Clarke stay
Baggott loan
Ndaba leave
Janoi out
Wolf stay
Burgess stay
Edmondson leave
Davies stay
Tuanzebe stay
Burns stay
Jackson leave
Morsy stay
Lungo stay
Taylor stay
Ball leave
Harness leave
Humpreys loan
El Mizouni leave
Chaplin stay
Broadhead stay
Hirst stay
Al Hamadi stay till Jan

Loans
Only Hutchinson if possible

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cressi

If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? on 09:05 - May 29 by portmanking

There's not a chance Jacko troubles Premier League defences just with pace and work rate - and McKenna will know that.

Now's the time to be semi-ruthless but also respectful to those who got us here - the fringe will know their careers are better served finding regular first team footy elsewhere.

I don't personally see Moore as a Premier League striker, so would rather look elsewhere. Latte Lath and one other would be great, with Al-Hamadi getting a full season on loan at someone who plays similar footy in the Champ.

11-12 signings IMO - 7-8 of which are just replacements for squad players, while the remainder will be 'star' quality.

I don't think your far wrong club are to ambitious to keep players on sentiment. Football is big business big money and like the supporters the owners manager all want a part of it . Reward comes through success.

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Nomore4

If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? on 10:20 - May 29 by GenericIpswichMan

OK for what its worth here's my take on what we need...

GK - Walton
GK - Hladky
GK - Slicker

LB - Davis
LB - New backup

RB - New first choice RB
RB - Clarke

CB - Fridge
CB - Woolf
CB - Burgess
CB - Axel
CB - New First Choice CB

CM - Morsy
CM - Luongo
CM - Taylor
CM - New First choice CM
CM - New Long term backup to Morsy

CAM - Broadhead
CAM - Chaplin
CAM - Burns
CAM - New (Hopefully Omari)
CAM - Harness (if we cant get Sarmiento back)

CF - Hirst
CF - New CF
CF - New CF

Which to me means.
Donacien (Released)
Ndaba (Sold)
Baggott (Loaned to Championship Club)
Humphreys (Loaned to Championship Club)
Ball (Released)
El Miz (Sold)
Camara (Released)
Aluko (Retired)
Jackson (Released)
Ahadme (Sold)
Ladapo (Released)
Al-Hamadi (Loaned to Championship Club)

In total I think thats at least 6 new players, plus 2 loans.

So to answer the original question. I see 17/18 of last years squad making this years squad, with some quality additions. I think this is relatively consistent with our policy of keeping the nucleus of the squad together whilst adding the additional quality where it is needed.

Slicker was brought in to be no1. And potentially our biggest Gamechanger signing to date……no way in 1 million years will he spend another season as no3. Will be Scotland no1 sooner rather than later.

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Herbivore

If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? on 11:12 - May 29 by Nomore4
Slicker was brought in to be no1. And potentially our biggest Gamechanger signing to date……no way in 1 million years will he spend another season as no3. Will be Scotland no1 sooner rather than later.

Slicker is nowhere near ready to be a Prem number 1. We paid a small fee for him as we saw potential but he's not going to be challenging to start any time soon.

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itfcjoe

I've not read the thread yet so coming in blind - btu I'd go something like

GK 1 - New signing
GK 2 - Hladky
GK 3 - Slicker

RB 1 - New signing
RB 2 - Clarke

CB - Woolfenden
CB - Burgess
CB - Tuanzebe
CB - New signing

LB 1 - Davis
LB 2 - New back up

CM - Morsy
CM - Luongo
CM - New signing
CM - New back up
CAM - Taylor

RW - Burns
RW - New signing

10 - Omari
10 - CHaplin

LW - Broadhead
LW - Sarmiento

ST 1 - New signing
ST 2 - Hirst
ST 3 - Al Hamadi

26th man as U21 - Humphreys

So 8 new signings plus bring back Omari and the Magic Man.

First teamers to be sold
Walton
Edmundson
Harness

Rest to be released

[Post edited 29 May 2024 11:17]

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If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? on 11:12 - May 29 by Nomore4
Slicker was brought in to be no1. And potentially our biggest Gamechanger signing to date……no way in 1 million years will he spend another season as no3. Will be Scotland no1 sooner rather than later.

The best Slicker could hope for next season is being a number 1 on loan at a L1 club, maybe bottom end Championship

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cressi

If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? on 11:15 - May 29 by itfcjoe

[Post edited 29 May 2024 11:17]

Very similar 8 to 10 brought in.

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CaptainAhab

If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? on 11:15 - May 29 by itfcjoe

[Post edited 29 May 2024 11:17]

Yep that looks about right to me. Good to see you have Tuanzebe as CB too, surprised by how many are keeping him as RB. He can definitely provide good cover there, but I'd have thought he's a ready made premier league level CB, meaning one less purchase necessary there. Need a new first choice, marauding RB for sure.

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Herbivore

If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? on 11:55 - May 29 by CaptainAhab
Yep that looks about right to me. Good to see you have Tuanzebe as CB too, surprised by how many are keeping him as RB. He can definitely provide good cover there, but I'd have thought he's a ready made premier league level CB, meaning one less purchase necessary there. Need a new first choice, marauding RB for sure.

When he played CB for us last season he looked a drop off from Woolf so we'll have to see whether he's going to step up and show his potential in that role or not. On what we saw last season, I'd have him behind Woolf at RCB.

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OldFart71

Replacements needed maybe 10. Why ? Because we will have lost Jackson and Aluko, Moore,Williams, Hutchinson, Sarmiento. Possible also going Ball, Ladapo, Donacion, with other possibles in Edmundson, Harness and one of the goalkeepers. I know that amounts to 11, but one or two may not leave. I don't see us paying 25 million for Hutchinson and Sarmiento whilst he did well I see him as sub 10 mill.

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jayessess

Think ideally you want to be concentrating your resources on raising the ceiling of your squad rather than the floor. When the aim is essentially to win 9 or 10 games out of 38, it's the quality of your 11 best players not the quality of your 11 worst players that enables you to do that.

I think on that basis 17 continuing, 8 coming is about right. You're keeping your best 10 from last season, plus 7 more who'll be squad players and all play less than 500 minutes or so. Then you're concentrating your resources on 8 big new signings.

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CaptainAhab

If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? on 11:59 - May 29 by Herbivore
When he played CB for us last season he looked a drop off from Woolf so we'll have to see whether he's going to step up and show his potential in that role or not. On what we saw last season, I'd have him behind Woolf at RCB.

Yeah that's true. How much of that was because he took a while to get up to speed though? Certainly when he was looking good in the second half of the season he was pretty much just playing RB

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burnbudgiesburn

Defensive retentions/additions hinge on what formation we play next season. Will we revert to a back 3? Tuanzebe becomes ideal then and you probably keep Edmundson on.

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Herbivore

If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? on 12:26 - May 29 by CaptainAhab
Yeah that's true. How much of that was because he took a while to get up to speed though? Certainly when he was looking good in the second half of the season he was pretty much just playing RB

Hard to say, he was probably still rusty in some of those early games. He's an excellent squad option but I'm not sure I'd elevate him above Woolf at this point.

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GenericIpswichMan

If you had to guess now how many of last seasons squad will make this seasons? on 11:12 - May 29 by Nomore4
Slicker was brought in to be no1. And potentially our biggest Gamechanger signing to date……no way in 1 million years will he spend another season as no3. Will be Scotland no1 sooner rather than later.

I do agree that Slicker was brought in to be number one. But he was brought in as a 20 year old and will need experience. I can't believe that someone so raw with a handful of cup matches under his belt will be thrown in so heavily against the best the Premier League has to offer.

My view is that he would actually benefit being around a Premier League Team for a season, even if number 3. I very much doubt we will have both Vaz and Walton for 2 more seasons so I could see his career path mapped out cleverly here with a view to him being number 2 or even number 1 season after next.

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Asa

Interesting I thought to look back and this now against how we all though the transfer business may go.

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