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VAR Vote 13:45 - Jun 6 with 3164 viewsTRUE_BLUE123

19-1 in favour of keeping. Only Wolves vote to scrap.

Disappointing but not at all surprising.
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VAR Vote on 13:51 - Jun 6 with 2673 viewsredrickstuhaart

It is surprising in a way. What actual benefit is there to clubs in this? More cost, unhappy fans? Unless they are being leaned on by the league finance-wise.
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VAR Vote on 13:54 - Jun 6 with 2630 viewsJammyDodgerrr

I posted this when it was originally mentioned:

It's going to be really interesting. Clearly a lot of the clubs have issues with it and it should be a resounding agreement, you'd think, to get rid of it. I just wonder if the public facing comments are different to the private facing ones and we're going to be surprised at the outcome.

I really didn't think it would be 19-1 though - stunned that Forest didn't vote against it given all of their complaints this season.

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VAR Vote on 13:55 - Jun 6 with 2615 viewsWD19

Surely only 16-1 if you only count those for which it has any relevance!?

I think that is close enough for a second ballot personally…..
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VAR Vote on 13:59 - Jun 6 with 2568 viewsGeoffSentence

VAR Vote on 13:55 - Jun 6 by WD19

Surely only 16-1 if you only count those for which it has any relevance!?

I think that is close enough for a second ballot personally…..


which clubs sint it relevant to?

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VAR Vote on 14:02 - Jun 6 with 2524 viewsNthQldITFC

VAR Vote on 13:59 - Jun 6 by GeoffSentence

which clubs sint it relevant to?


Norwich...

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VAR Vote on 14:03 - Jun 6 with 2515 viewsitfc1108

I hope there will be no clubs or managers moaning about VAR decisions going against them then. (Other than wolves)
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VAR Vote on 14:05 - Jun 6 with 2493 viewsTRUE_BLUE123

VAR Vote on 13:51 - Jun 6 by redrickstuhaart

It is surprising in a way. What actual benefit is there to clubs in this? More cost, unhappy fans? Unless they are being leaned on by the league finance-wise.


Maybe 19-1 is a shock but it was never going to be scrapped.

Too much of a safety net in an industry where so much is on the line.
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VAR Vote on 14:07 - Jun 6 with 2467 viewsWD19

VAR Vote on 13:59 - Jun 6 by GeoffSentence

which clubs sint it relevant to?


Sorry, I assumed it was the clubs that experienced it last year who got to vote.

Why would Town vote for something we have never had and will be a disadvantage to us because we have less experience of it!?
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VAR Vote on 14:38 - Jun 6 with 2301 viewsN2_Blue

VAR Vote on 14:07 - Jun 6 by WD19

Sorry, I assumed it was the clubs that experienced it last year who got to vote.

Why would Town vote for something we have never had and will be a disadvantage to us because we have less experience of it!?


Hon earth do you need to experience itotherwise you are at a disadvantage?

You don't play any differently as to whether you are playing a game with VAR or without VAR. And itsn't a system used in football when you have to made judegment to have the technology used like cricket or tennis.

Considering you didn't actually even know which clubs were voting i actually wonder if you know what VAR is??

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VAR Vote on 14:40 - Jun 6 with 2285 views_clive_baker_

Presume they've been promised amendments / improvements, hence the 19-1 split.
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VAR Vote on 15:04 - Jun 6 with 2191 viewsmutters

The thing is people have a choice. Do you want correct decisions which may take a few minutes to conclude or do people want instant decisions which could contain human error and show the wrong decision on replay?

I accept VAR technology isn't perfect at the moment but instant replyhas been implemented in other sports with a high degree of accuracy. I can see VAR continually to improve

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VAR Vote on 15:23 - Jun 6 with 2120 viewstractorboy1978

VAR Vote on 14:03 - Jun 6 by itfc1108

I hope there will be no clubs or managers moaning about VAR decisions going against them then. (Other than wolves)


Probably more of an issue the other way though. If you voted to get rid of VAR, you really couldn't have any complaints about wrong decisions next season.
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VAR Vote on 15:35 - Jun 6 with 2076 viewshomer_123

VAR Vote on 15:04 - Jun 6 by mutters

The thing is people have a choice. Do you want correct decisions which may take a few minutes to conclude or do people want instant decisions which could contain human error and show the wrong decision on replay?

I accept VAR technology isn't perfect at the moment but instant replyhas been implemented in other sports with a high degree of accuracy. I can see VAR continually to improve


Over 92% of decisions before VAR were correct.

What VAR removes is part of the soul of football. It doesn't ADD anything.

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VAR Vote on 15:36 - Jun 6 with 2063 viewsjayessess

VAR Vote on 15:23 - Jun 6 by tractorboy1978

Probably more of an issue the other way though. If you voted to get rid of VAR, you really couldn't have any complaints about wrong decisions next season.


Ultimately though, there's no point in having complaints either way. With or without VAR complaining isn't going to change outcomes in your favour.

In a way football club's investment in "correct decision making" is entirely illogical. When it comes to refereeing errors every team is as likely to be victim or beneficiary, so why would you particularly care either way? You're in an entertainment business, the rational thing to do would be to ask (a) what's cheapest? (b) what do my customer prefer?

It's definitely cheaper to scrap VAR and your customers would almost certainly prefer it. Not sure why people in football are so wedded to it.

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VAR Vote on 15:51 - Jun 6 with 1983 viewstractorboy1978

VAR Vote on 15:36 - Jun 6 by jayessess

Ultimately though, there's no point in having complaints either way. With or without VAR complaining isn't going to change outcomes in your favour.

In a way football club's investment in "correct decision making" is entirely illogical. When it comes to refereeing errors every team is as likely to be victim or beneficiary, so why would you particularly care either way? You're in an entertainment business, the rational thing to do would be to ask (a) what's cheapest? (b) what do my customer prefer?

It's definitely cheaper to scrap VAR and your customers would almost certainly prefer it. Not sure why people in football are so wedded to it.


I don't disagree, but there is an element of 'the horse has already bolted' about it. You can guarantee if it was voted out, it would take one game week and a couple of dubious decisions before people were calling for the technology to be reinstated.

I never wanted it in the first place but it's hard to row back from a position of referees having more tools to get more decisions right. Our use of it in the Premier League is woeful in comparison to around Europe.
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VAR Vote on 15:52 - Jun 6 with 1971 viewsbaxterbasics

Booo. Ashton out!

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VAR Vote on 15:53 - Jun 6 with 1959 viewsGeoffSentence

VAR Vote on 14:02 - Jun 6 by NthQldITFC

Norwich...


And the other 71 lower league teams

Lower league teams
Lower League teams

Just got to say it

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VAR Vote on 15:54 - Jun 6 with 1950 viewsGeoffSentence

VAR Vote on 14:07 - Jun 6 by WD19

Sorry, I assumed it was the clubs that experienced it last year who got to vote.

Why would Town vote for something we have never had and will be a disadvantage to us because we have less experience of it!?


That was my thought as well, we are used to operating wthout it which may have given us a marginal advantage if they had got rid.

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VAR Vote on 15:56 - Jun 6 with 1922 viewsGeoffSentence

VAR Vote on 14:38 - Jun 6 by N2_Blue

Hon earth do you need to experience itotherwise you are at a disadvantage?

You don't play any differently as to whether you are playing a game with VAR or without VAR. And itsn't a system used in football when you have to made judegment to have the technology used like cricket or tennis.

Considering you didn't actually even know which clubs were voting i actually wonder if you know what VAR is??


An unnecessarilly curt reply, I feel.

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VAR Vote on 15:58 - Jun 6 with 1907 viewsmutters

VAR Vote on 15:35 - Jun 6 by homer_123

Over 92% of decisions before VAR were correct.

What VAR removes is part of the soul of football. It doesn't ADD anything.


Not according to the stats

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13066177/var-premier-league-claims

It was 82% and went up to 96% from the official Premier League stats.

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VAR Vote on 16:00 - Jun 6 with 1884 viewsGeoffSentence

VAR Vote on 15:35 - Jun 6 by homer_123

Over 92% of decisions before VAR were correct.

What VAR removes is part of the soul of football. It doesn't ADD anything.


There must be hundreds of decisions made each game, most of which are plss easy to call. Eight percent of them being wrong actually seems pretty hight to me.

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VAR Vote on 16:08 - Jun 6 with 1845 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

VAR Vote on 15:04 - Jun 6 by mutters

The thing is people have a choice. Do you want correct decisions which may take a few minutes to conclude or do people want instant decisions which could contain human error and show the wrong decision on replay?

I accept VAR technology isn't perfect at the moment but instant replyhas been implemented in other sports with a high degree of accuracy. I can see VAR continually to improve


The Premier League said that without VAR, there would be 100 more errors per season.

Thats c.0.25 wrong decisions per match. Its not exactly huge.

Also, football is not a perfect game. Manager and players make FAR MORE MISTAKES than referees in every game.

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VAR Vote on 16:20 - Jun 6 with 1777 viewsmutters

VAR Vote on 16:08 - Jun 6 by Marshalls_Mullet

The Premier League said that without VAR, there would be 100 more errors per season.

Thats c.0.25 wrong decisions per match. Its not exactly huge.

Also, football is not a perfect game. Manager and players make FAR MORE MISTAKES than referees in every game.


As an NFL fan, I accept the game's stop-start nature of the game so pausing to get a ruling is still within the game's natural ebb and flow. The correct decision rate is nearing 99% the last time I checked. However I am not sure that it works as well in football due to the game's faster pace, and also the expectations of the fans.

If people want away with VAR, then fans must accept that human error without an option to review will be part of the game (As it was pre-VAR) and all the consequences that go with it.

If the stats are true then almost one in five was wrong pre VAR which is really too high

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VAR Vote on 17:08 - Jun 6 with 1655 viewsMark

Did clubs carry out any consultation with fans before voting? I wasn't asked. I dislike VAR when I have seen it on TV. I do not want it at Portman Road. Take the ecstatic scenes when Sarmiento scored against Southampton, I could not have celebrated in the same way thinking VAR may disallowed it.
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VAR Vote on 17:11 - Jun 6 with 1632 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

VAR Vote on 16:20 - Jun 6 by mutters

As an NFL fan, I accept the game's stop-start nature of the game so pausing to get a ruling is still within the game's natural ebb and flow. The correct decision rate is nearing 99% the last time I checked. However I am not sure that it works as well in football due to the game's faster pace, and also the expectations of the fans.

If people want away with VAR, then fans must accept that human error without an option to review will be part of the game (As it was pre-VAR) and all the consequences that go with it.

If the stats are true then almost one in five was wrong pre VAR which is really too high


I cant stand NFL, and I don't like the stop start nature of VAR and taking the joy out of the game.

I'm very happy to take a bit of human error over spoiling the game.

Each to their own.

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