VAR Vote 13:45 - Jun 6 with 3164 views | TRUE_BLUE123 | 19-1 in favour of keeping. Only Wolves vote to scrap. Disappointing but not at all surprising. [Post edited 6 Jun 2024 13:46]
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VAR Vote on 13:51 - Jun 6 with 2673 views | redrickstuhaart | It is surprising in a way. What actual benefit is there to clubs in this? More cost, unhappy fans? Unless they are being leaned on by the league finance-wise. |  | |  |
VAR Vote on 13:54 - Jun 6 with 2630 views | JammyDodgerrr | I posted this when it was originally mentioned: It's going to be really interesting. Clearly a lot of the clubs have issues with it and it should be a resounding agreement, you'd think, to get rid of it. I just wonder if the public facing comments are different to the private facing ones and we're going to be surprised at the outcome. I really didn't think it would be 19-1 though - stunned that Forest didn't vote against it given all of their complaints this season. |  |
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VAR Vote on 13:55 - Jun 6 with 2615 views | WD19 | Surely only 16-1 if you only count those for which it has any relevance!? I think that is close enough for a second ballot personally….. |  | |  |
VAR Vote on 13:59 - Jun 6 with 2568 views | GeoffSentence |
VAR Vote on 13:55 - Jun 6 by WD19 | Surely only 16-1 if you only count those for which it has any relevance!? I think that is close enough for a second ballot personally….. |
which clubs sint it relevant to? |  |
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VAR Vote on 14:02 - Jun 6 with 2524 views | NthQldITFC |
VAR Vote on 13:59 - Jun 6 by GeoffSentence | which clubs sint it relevant to? |
Norwich... |  |
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VAR Vote on 14:03 - Jun 6 with 2515 views | itfc1108 | I hope there will be no clubs or managers moaning about VAR decisions going against them then. (Other than wolves) |  | |  |
VAR Vote on 14:05 - Jun 6 with 2493 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
VAR Vote on 13:51 - Jun 6 by redrickstuhaart | It is surprising in a way. What actual benefit is there to clubs in this? More cost, unhappy fans? Unless they are being leaned on by the league finance-wise. |
Maybe 19-1 is a shock but it was never going to be scrapped. Too much of a safety net in an industry where so much is on the line. [Post edited 6 Jun 2024 14:07]
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VAR Vote on 14:07 - Jun 6 with 2467 views | WD19 |
VAR Vote on 13:59 - Jun 6 by GeoffSentence | which clubs sint it relevant to? |
Sorry, I assumed it was the clubs that experienced it last year who got to vote. Why would Town vote for something we have never had and will be a disadvantage to us because we have less experience of it!? |  | |  | Login to get fewer ads
VAR Vote on 14:38 - Jun 6 with 2301 views | N2_Blue |
VAR Vote on 14:07 - Jun 6 by WD19 | Sorry, I assumed it was the clubs that experienced it last year who got to vote. Why would Town vote for something we have never had and will be a disadvantage to us because we have less experience of it!? |
Hon earth do you need to experience itotherwise you are at a disadvantage? You don't play any differently as to whether you are playing a game with VAR or without VAR. And itsn't a system used in football when you have to made judegment to have the technology used like cricket or tennis. Considering you didn't actually even know which clubs were voting i actually wonder if you know what VAR is?? |  |
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VAR Vote on 14:40 - Jun 6 with 2285 views | _clive_baker_ | Presume they've been promised amendments / improvements, hence the 19-1 split. |  | |  |
VAR Vote on 15:04 - Jun 6 with 2191 views | mutters | The thing is people have a choice. Do you want correct decisions which may take a few minutes to conclude or do people want instant decisions which could contain human error and show the wrong decision on replay? I accept VAR technology isn't perfect at the moment but instant replyhas been implemented in other sports with a high degree of accuracy. I can see VAR continually to improve |  |
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VAR Vote on 15:23 - Jun 6 with 2120 views | tractorboy1978 |
VAR Vote on 14:03 - Jun 6 by itfc1108 | I hope there will be no clubs or managers moaning about VAR decisions going against them then. (Other than wolves) |
Probably more of an issue the other way though. If you voted to get rid of VAR, you really couldn't have any complaints about wrong decisions next season. |  | |  |
VAR Vote on 15:35 - Jun 6 with 2076 views | homer_123 |
VAR Vote on 15:04 - Jun 6 by mutters | The thing is people have a choice. Do you want correct decisions which may take a few minutes to conclude or do people want instant decisions which could contain human error and show the wrong decision on replay? I accept VAR technology isn't perfect at the moment but instant replyhas been implemented in other sports with a high degree of accuracy. I can see VAR continually to improve |
Over 92% of decisions before VAR were correct. What VAR removes is part of the soul of football. It doesn't ADD anything. |  |
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VAR Vote on 15:36 - Jun 6 with 2063 views | jayessess |
VAR Vote on 15:23 - Jun 6 by tractorboy1978 | Probably more of an issue the other way though. If you voted to get rid of VAR, you really couldn't have any complaints about wrong decisions next season. |
Ultimately though, there's no point in having complaints either way. With or without VAR complaining isn't going to change outcomes in your favour. In a way football club's investment in "correct decision making" is entirely illogical. When it comes to refereeing errors every team is as likely to be victim or beneficiary, so why would you particularly care either way? You're in an entertainment business, the rational thing to do would be to ask (a) what's cheapest? (b) what do my customer prefer? It's definitely cheaper to scrap VAR and your customers would almost certainly prefer it. Not sure why people in football are so wedded to it. |  |
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VAR Vote on 15:51 - Jun 6 with 1983 views | tractorboy1978 |
VAR Vote on 15:36 - Jun 6 by jayessess | Ultimately though, there's no point in having complaints either way. With or without VAR complaining isn't going to change outcomes in your favour. In a way football club's investment in "correct decision making" is entirely illogical. When it comes to refereeing errors every team is as likely to be victim or beneficiary, so why would you particularly care either way? You're in an entertainment business, the rational thing to do would be to ask (a) what's cheapest? (b) what do my customer prefer? It's definitely cheaper to scrap VAR and your customers would almost certainly prefer it. Not sure why people in football are so wedded to it. |
I don't disagree, but there is an element of 'the horse has already bolted' about it. You can guarantee if it was voted out, it would take one game week and a couple of dubious decisions before people were calling for the technology to be reinstated. I never wanted it in the first place but it's hard to row back from a position of referees having more tools to get more decisions right. Our use of it in the Premier League is woeful in comparison to around Europe. [Post edited 6 Jun 2024 15:51]
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VAR Vote on 15:52 - Jun 6 with 1971 views | baxterbasics | Booo. Ashton out! |  |
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VAR Vote on 15:53 - Jun 6 with 1959 views | GeoffSentence |
And the other 71 lower league teams Lower league teams Lower League teams Just got to say it |  |
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VAR Vote on 15:54 - Jun 6 with 1950 views | GeoffSentence |
VAR Vote on 14:07 - Jun 6 by WD19 | Sorry, I assumed it was the clubs that experienced it last year who got to vote. Why would Town vote for something we have never had and will be a disadvantage to us because we have less experience of it!? |
That was my thought as well, we are used to operating wthout it which may have given us a marginal advantage if they had got rid. |  |
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VAR Vote on 15:56 - Jun 6 with 1922 views | GeoffSentence |
VAR Vote on 14:38 - Jun 6 by N2_Blue | Hon earth do you need to experience itotherwise you are at a disadvantage? You don't play any differently as to whether you are playing a game with VAR or without VAR. And itsn't a system used in football when you have to made judegment to have the technology used like cricket or tennis. Considering you didn't actually even know which clubs were voting i actually wonder if you know what VAR is?? |
An unnecessarilly curt reply, I feel. |  |
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VAR Vote on 16:00 - Jun 6 with 1884 views | GeoffSentence |
VAR Vote on 15:35 - Jun 6 by homer_123 | Over 92% of decisions before VAR were correct. What VAR removes is part of the soul of football. It doesn't ADD anything. |
There must be hundreds of decisions made each game, most of which are plss easy to call. Eight percent of them being wrong actually seems pretty hight to me. |  |
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VAR Vote on 16:08 - Jun 6 with 1845 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
VAR Vote on 15:04 - Jun 6 by mutters | The thing is people have a choice. Do you want correct decisions which may take a few minutes to conclude or do people want instant decisions which could contain human error and show the wrong decision on replay? I accept VAR technology isn't perfect at the moment but instant replyhas been implemented in other sports with a high degree of accuracy. I can see VAR continually to improve |
The Premier League said that without VAR, there would be 100 more errors per season. Thats c.0.25 wrong decisions per match. Its not exactly huge. Also, football is not a perfect game. Manager and players make FAR MORE MISTAKES than referees in every game. |  |
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VAR Vote on 16:20 - Jun 6 with 1777 views | mutters |
VAR Vote on 16:08 - Jun 6 by Marshalls_Mullet | The Premier League said that without VAR, there would be 100 more errors per season. Thats c.0.25 wrong decisions per match. Its not exactly huge. Also, football is not a perfect game. Manager and players make FAR MORE MISTAKES than referees in every game. |
As an NFL fan, I accept the game's stop-start nature of the game so pausing to get a ruling is still within the game's natural ebb and flow. The correct decision rate is nearing 99% the last time I checked. However I am not sure that it works as well in football due to the game's faster pace, and also the expectations of the fans. If people want away with VAR, then fans must accept that human error without an option to review will be part of the game (As it was pre-VAR) and all the consequences that go with it. If the stats are true then almost one in five was wrong pre VAR which is really too high |  |
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VAR Vote on 17:08 - Jun 6 with 1655 views | Mark | Did clubs carry out any consultation with fans before voting? I wasn't asked. I dislike VAR when I have seen it on TV. I do not want it at Portman Road. Take the ecstatic scenes when Sarmiento scored against Southampton, I could not have celebrated in the same way thinking VAR may disallowed it. |  | |  |
VAR Vote on 17:11 - Jun 6 with 1632 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
VAR Vote on 16:20 - Jun 6 by mutters | As an NFL fan, I accept the game's stop-start nature of the game so pausing to get a ruling is still within the game's natural ebb and flow. The correct decision rate is nearing 99% the last time I checked. However I am not sure that it works as well in football due to the game's faster pace, and also the expectations of the fans. If people want away with VAR, then fans must accept that human error without an option to review will be part of the game (As it was pre-VAR) and all the consequences that go with it. If the stats are true then almost one in five was wrong pre VAR which is really too high |
I cant stand NFL, and I don't like the stop start nature of VAR and taking the joy out of the game. I'm very happy to take a bit of human error over spoiling the game. Each to their own. |  |
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