| Starmer's education 12:41 - Jul 5 with 2888 views | DJR |
Starmer joins a select group of three PMs who were educated at undergraduate level in England at a university other than Oxford or Cambridge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_e
The other two are Ramsay MacDonald who attended Birbeck and Neville Chamberlain who attended Mason College (now Birmingham University).
That to me is to be welcomed, especially speaking as someone who did law at Leeds immediately before Starmer attended. [Post edited 5 Jul 12:46]
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| Starmer's education on 12:51 - Jul 5 with 2258 views | Trequartista |
The intake of Oxbridge undergraduates is a much higher percentage from state schools than it used to be though. Some entrance exams are literally weighted in their favour. [Post edited 5 Jul 12:52]
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| Starmer's education on 12:52 - Jul 5 with 2241 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Totally agree, he’s from a working class background unlike most politicians, and for me there’s appeal that he’s had a real job/career outside of politics. Those who have not cannot honestly claim to have faced the struggles of many working people.
I do hope he’s not one of those hypocrites who pushes class warfare, only to send their children to private school, as is the case for some in the party. As it stands I don’t agree with private education, and it’s telling that many of our own politicians don’t think the education system which they oversee is good enough for their own children. |  | | |
| Starmer's education on 12:56 - Jul 5 with 2191 views | DJR |
| Starmer's education on 12:51 - Jul 5 by Trequartista |
The intake of Oxbridge undergraduates is a much higher percentage from state schools than it used to be though. Some entrance exams are literally weighted in their favour. [Post edited 5 Jul 12:52]
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That is certainly true. | | | |
| Starmer's education on 12:59 - Jul 5 with 2144 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
That is a good thing. But as someone who works in HE, it is concerning that there seems to be no plan for the sector, including student debt.
And when Starmer has been pressed on it, he has been quick to move the conversation on. |  |
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| Starmer's education on 13:00 - Jul 5 with 2135 views | DJR |
| Starmer's education on 12:52 - Jul 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Totally agree, he’s from a working class background unlike most politicians, and for me there’s appeal that he’s had a real job/career outside of politics. Those who have not cannot honestly claim to have faced the struggles of many working people.
I do hope he’s not one of those hypocrites who pushes class warfare, only to send their children to private school, as is the case for some in the party. As it stands I don’t agree with private education, and it’s telling that many of our own politicians don’t think the education system which they oversee is good enough for their own children. |
Given his stance on private healthcare, I can't see him opting for the private sector. And there are lots of very good state schools in London these days. [Post edited 5 Jul 13:00]
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| Starmer's education on 13:00 - Jul 5 with 2130 views | Ryorry |
Also only the 5th ever Labour PM to be voted in - was suprised by that, though historically speaking it’s a relatively young party I suppose. |  |
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| Starmer's education on 13:01 - Jul 5 with 2105 views | soupytwist |
| Starmer's education on 12:51 - Jul 5 by Trequartista |
The intake of Oxbridge undergraduates is a much higher percentage from state schools than it used to be though. Some entrance exams are literally weighted in their favour. [Post edited 5 Jul 12:52]
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Will take a little while for that to make its way through to potential prime ministers though.
Saw a tweet earlier saying that 84% of the shadow cabinet went to comprehensive schools, 10% were privately educated and 6% went to state grammar schools.
That's closely representative of the general population of the country. |  | | |
| Starmer's education on 13:04 - Jul 5 with 2073 views | Radlett_blue |
| Starmer's education on 12:52 - Jul 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Totally agree, he’s from a working class background unlike most politicians, and for me there’s appeal that he’s had a real job/career outside of politics. Those who have not cannot honestly claim to have faced the struggles of many working people.
I do hope he’s not one of those hypocrites who pushes class warfare, only to send their children to private school, as is the case for some in the party. As it stands I don’t agree with private education, and it’s telling that many of our own politicians don’t think the education system which they oversee is good enough for their own children. |
Starmer's father was a toolmaker, in case you didn't know. |  |
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| Starmer's education on 13:06 - Jul 5 with 2022 views | chicoazul |
Went to a grammar school. Wonder if he’ll get behind bringing them back? Lol |  |
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| Starmer's education on 13:09 - Jul 5 with 2003 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer's education on 12:51 - Jul 5 by Trequartista |
The intake of Oxbridge undergraduates is a much higher percentage from state schools than it used to be though. Some entrance exams are literally weighted in their favour. [Post edited 5 Jul 12:52]
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first sentence true; second sentence not true. |  |
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| Starmer's education on 13:10 - Jul 5 with 1988 views | Ftnfwest |
That's where his dad sent him. He was a tool maker you know... |  | | |
| Starmer's education on 13:13 - Jul 5 with 1942 views | bsw72 |
| Starmer's education on 12:51 - Jul 5 by Trequartista |
The intake of Oxbridge undergraduates is a much higher percentage from state schools than it used to be though. Some entrance exams are literally weighted in their favour. [Post edited 5 Jul 12:52]
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The universities have removed the historic weightings that were in favour of admission from private schools, and had a targetted program to encourage more applications from state education facilities with a focus on providing increased opportunities to those with a disadvantaged background.
There is no specific wighting on the entrance exams, but the criteria to get eligibility to take those exams and then the subsequent interviews has taken a more relaxed approach and therefore opened more to those outside of private education.
My daughter (and her now husband) are both state educated Oxford graduates. Oxford, expanded the program of state school engagement while they were there and leveraged current undergraduates from similar backgrounds to visit schools to encourage increased applicants from those establishments. My daughter went on a couple of roadshows as part of it.
The other thing of note is that since the numbers of graduates from a state school background has increased, so has the overall results performance of each college.
Worth noting it is not just Oxbridge with the historic intakes from the private education sector - the Russell Group has been fairly consistent with ~20% of their intake from private education in the last 10 years.
Having said all that, some of the privately educated individuals that crossed paths with my daughter while at Uni defied belief - completely out of touch with 95% of the population on what we considered "real life". Not disimilar to the likes of Johnson, Sunak, Rees-Mogg etc. |  | | |
| Starmer's education on 13:38 - Jul 5 with 1810 views | Trequartista |
| Starmer's education on 13:09 - Jul 5 by lowhouseblue |
first sentence true; second sentence not true. |
The weighting I heard anecdotally from someone who took the TSA last year. Will try and follow that up. | |
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| Starmer's education on 13:39 - Jul 5 with 1778 views | positivity |
leeds uni's very first pm! | |
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| Starmer's education on 13:42 - Jul 5 with 1738 views | DJR |
| Starmer's education on 13:38 - Jul 5 by Trequartista |
The weighting I heard anecdotally from someone who took the TSA last year. Will try and follow that up. |
I don't know about that but there used to be a hell of a lot of weighting the other way, with public schools geared up to get their pupils in, and old boys' offspring getting a preference.
Back in 1978 the top A-level results of Ipswich School were no better than Northgate's but far more Ipswich School pupils got into Oxbridge than the couple from Northgate out of more than 300 hundred pupils. [Post edited 5 Jul 14:07]
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| Starmer's education on 13:42 - Jul 5 with 1735 views | baxterbasics |
That Wikipedia article also points out we have only ever had one PM with a science degree. |  |
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| Starmer's education on 13:44 - Jul 5 with 1710 views | BloomBlue |
Also how many PMs have been elected as a Sir?
Most PMs only become a Sir after serving as an PM |  | | |
| Starmer's education on 13:54 - Jul 5 with 1651 views | Radlett_blue |
| Starmer's education on 13:44 - Jul 5 by BloomBlue |
Also how many PMs have been elected as a Sir?
Most PMs only become a Sir after serving as an PM |
Sir Alec Douglas-Home (he did win a by-election after renouncing his peerages). | |
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| Starmer's education on 13:55 - Jul 5 with 1641 views | DarkBrandon |
Gordon Brown too I think. |  | | |
| Starmer's education on 13:58 - Jul 5 with 1618 views | unbelievablue |
| Starmer's education on 13:39 - Jul 5 by positivity |
leeds uni's very first pm! |
Already had the alumni email. |  |
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| Starmer's education on 14:08 - Jul 5 with 1557 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer's education on 13:38 - Jul 5 by Trequartista |
The weighting I heard anecdotally from someone who took the TSA last year. Will try and follow that up. |
definitely no weighting. the universities have an access and participation agreement with OfFA which sets targets for admissions of various groups (care leavers, post codes etc, but not now state school). but they are targets not weightings applied to particular elements of the applicant assessment. [Post edited 5 Jul 14:16]
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| Starmer's education on 14:32 - Jul 5 with 1456 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Starmer's education on 13:44 - Jul 5 by BloomBlue |
Also how many PMs have been elected as a Sir?
Most PMs only become a Sir after serving as an PM |
Sir Robert Peel elected 1835, knighted 1800.
Sir Henry Campbell-Bannerman elected 1906, knighted 1895.
Sir Anthony Eden elected 1955, knighted 1954.
I did check Sir Winston Churchill, because he wasn't elected as the wartime PM and therefore was first elected in 1951. But he was knighted in 1953 during his second reign. So not quite.
I believe this list is correct dating back to 1830. Not sure before then [Post edited 5 Jul 14:34]
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| Starmer's education on 14:35 - Jul 5 with 1431 views | blueasfook |
I wonder if he's got "School of Hard Knocks" on his facebook profile |  |
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| Starmer's education on 14:37 - Jul 5 with 1391 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Starmer's education on 13:00 - Jul 5 by Ryorry |
Also only the 5th ever Labour PM to be voted in - was suprised by that, though historically speaking it’s a relatively young party I suppose. |
Which is also as surprising as it being 3 PMs ago since the Tories had one who was voted in. |  |
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| Starmer's education on 14:45 - Jul 5 with 1303 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Starmer's education on 13:39 - Jul 5 by positivity |
leeds uni's very first pm! |
Leeds would have had more... | |
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