| Any gangs smashed yet? on 16:05 - Aug 12 with 1882 views | Zx1988 |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 16:02 - Aug 12 by bluejacko |
So what do we do then just throw our hands up in the air and provide the free crossing as now or do you think taking them back would actually be a deterrent?
We have to start somewhere.
Another poster said we were not working with France,what is the £500m given to them and the facilities in Calais all about then?
SmashThe ‘gangs’ what are we going to do drop the SAS in when we find them? Stop one gang and another pops up! |
In an ideal world, they wouldn't have to make the crossing in the first place.
We would work with France, and set up a processing centre at Calais (or similar). Claims could be processed on French soil, and safe passage provided to those who meet the criteria for asylum or legitimate immigration. |  |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 16:09 - Aug 12 with 1841 views | noggin |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 16:04 - Aug 12 by witchdoctor |
I saw an piece on the telly where a govt official mentioned that figure…to a select committee… however it turns out only about 4% of claims have been processed… |
Irrelevant really. 80% of processed claims are deemed genuine. |  |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 16:09 - Aug 12 with 1845 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 16:05 - Aug 12 by Zx1988 |
In an ideal world, they wouldn't have to make the crossing in the first place.
We would work with France, and set up a processing centre at Calais (or similar). Claims could be processed on French soil, and safe passage provided to those who meet the criteria for asylum or legitimate immigration. |
Sensible and practical I would have thought. |  |
| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 19:15 - Aug 12 with 1734 views | Zx1988 |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 15:38 - Aug 12 by Blueschev |
The problem is that most people who constantly call for an honest conversation don't actually want one. What they really want is for everyone to validate their anecdotal examples and engrained prejudice without question. [Post edited 12 Aug 2024 15:50]
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You seem to be on to something there, Blueschev.
I've merely asked why Onceablue has a particular issue with immigration, and they've gorn boogered orf.
Was it something I said? | |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 19:20 - Aug 12 with 1725 views | Nomore4 |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 12:33 - Aug 12 by Mullet |
How do you stop them? |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 19:24 - Aug 12 with 1717 views | Zx1988 |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 19:20 - Aug 12 by Nomore4 |
Reform |
And what, precisely, will chairman Nige and his limited company do in order to achieve that? | |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 20:12 - Aug 12 with 1642 views | Coastalblue |
It's completely mad that in a country where we have a severe shortage of people willing to do menial tasks, essential tasks because it's below them that we have what could basically be a free supply of hard working, tax paying people to fill those roles, yet we just leave them to rot instead.
I'm sure there has been study after study* produced showing just how productive migrants are in our economy, and yet we still have people thinking they're going to be given £1K a week and a mansion to live in for free.
*I can't be arsed to go and look because it's hardly worth arguing, but will if somebody insists. |  |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 20:43 - Aug 12 with 1596 views | tcblue |
The unpalatable truth (for the same people who just want the boats sunk) is that one of the best tools to control the borders would be to rejoin the EU...as well as re-establishing legal routes for asylum | | | |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 22:30 - Aug 12 with 1488 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 13:33 - Aug 12 by onceablue |
Every illegal immigrant crossing the Channel costs approx at least £80,000 a year in hotels, food, medical, dentist all of which are free to the migrant
So Sunday’s crossing will cost tax payer £56,000,000
And that’s why labour have cancelled fuel benefits and will have to increase taxes in other ways.
I am not racist or far right but where is the money going to come from to support migrants? |
Free food - outrageous! |  | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 22:39 - Aug 12 with 1475 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 19:20 - Aug 12 by Nomore4 |
Reform |
Hahahahahshahaha | | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 22:40 - Aug 12 with 1474 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 22:30 - Aug 12 by reusersfreekicks |
Free food - outrageous! |
This is where I think things go wrong. The minute people start to refer to immigrants in numericals and percentages, we lose the focus on the human beings. It should be the right of every human being ON. THIS. PLANET. to have access to food, water and a roof over their heads.
We don't know how good we have it in this country. |  | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 23:20 - Aug 12 with 1414 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 22:40 - Aug 12 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
This is where I think things go wrong. The minute people start to refer to immigrants in numericals and percentages, we lose the focus on the human beings. It should be the right of every human being ON. THIS. PLANET. to have access to food, water and a roof over their heads.
We don't know how good we have it in this country. |
We have those rights under UDHR (1948) article 25. But watch out... we have a lot of people including Reform and several Tory MPs and their respective knuckle-dragging foot-soldiers who don't want us to have those rights. |  |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 01:32 - Aug 13 with 1323 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 13:28 - Aug 12 by Buhrer |
I doubt I'd be brave enough to risk my own life let alone my children's to go across the North Sea on a dinghy. I'd probably have to end up travelling by land to the first safe country I could. Maybe France or Holland. Or are there safer places first on a journey across the continent of Europe to the Northern European coast. Spain or Greece maybe. |
If only we had joined Schengen and signed up to the Dublin protocols then we would be able to send any coming from a safe country back to that country.
As all of the Tory Prime Ministers of the past 14 years knew.
But, no. Brexit instead. Deliberately creating antagonism with the other countries we have to work with on this problem.
To answer the OP.
Fair to give the new Government two and a half years, at least, to make progress on a problem that the previous lot failed to deliver on in fourteen, isn't it? | | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 01:44 - Aug 13 with 1317 views | Mercian |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 12:01 - Aug 12 by textbackup |
Time/Money/Effort currently going on anyone shouting at the police during riots.
Deal with the real issues/criminals first…
(Of course hundreds of them do deserve dealing with, but the illegal people smuggling gangs are a far bigger risk to the country) |
Shouting at police, burning their cars, throwing bricks and burning bins at them, stealing their equipment,assaulting their horses/dogs, looting, attempting to burn down mosques/hotels/librarys, pulling non white people out of cars in order to give them a good kicking, punching random non white people in the face, desecrating Muslin graves, smashing church walls in order to throw the rubble at people they hate, sporting SS and swastika tattoos and placing their labels with concealed razor blades in public places in order to injure anyone who tries to remove them. You conveniently ignored all but the first point. Points that make them violent and indeed real criminals. [Post edited 13 Aug 2024 1:57]
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 05:08 - Aug 13 with 1272 views | Benters |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 12:01 - Aug 12 by textbackup |
Time/Money/Effort currently going on anyone shouting at the police during riots.
Deal with the real issues/criminals first…
(Of course hundreds of them do deserve dealing with, but the illegal people smuggling gangs are a far bigger risk to the country) |
I’ve read that numerous times and I can’t fathom out what is wrong with it? |  |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 05:10 - Aug 13 with 1271 views | Benters |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 12:29 - Aug 12 by textbackup |
Of course 5/6 days of utter scumbag behaviour should be dealt with, as mentioned.
700 (small number?) yes it’s a tiny proportion of the overall numbers… that’s the problem, surely?
You/I have absolutely no idea if those 700 are more/less of a risk to a load of British louts playing the idiots for 5/6 days. Again, the issue, we know nothing about them.
So, a crack down on the gangs bringing them over will help.
Or is that a ludicrous suggestion? |
People seem to forget we are only a small Island. | |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 07:09 - Aug 13 with 1191 views | noggin |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 05:10 - Aug 13 by Benters |
People seem to forget we are only a small Island. |
A small island that has invaded and pillaged from most of the world. But hey, Rule Britannia. [Post edited 13 Aug 2024 7:15]
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 07:49 - Aug 13 with 1135 views | tcblue |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 05:10 - Aug 13 by Benters |
People seem to forget we are only a small Island. |
With a struggling NHS which has been propped up for years with immigrant talent. I'd thought you of all people would be appreciative of the NHS.
And yes, there's a direct correlation with how we are perceived to be treating those who come here with the numbers of folks who would like to come over here to work in (among other sectors) our healthcare. Numbers are significantly down, and who could blame them watching the news? | | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 08:13 - Aug 13 with 1078 views | witchdoctor |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 07:09 - Aug 13 by noggin |
A small island that has invaded and pillaged from most of the world. But hey, Rule Britannia. [Post edited 13 Aug 2024 7:15]
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a country that invaded and pillaged ..add rape and it’s a perfect description of Norway… |  | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 08:45 - Aug 13 with 1024 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 08:13 - Aug 13 by witchdoctor |
a country that invaded and pillaged ..add rape and it’s a perfect description of Norway… |
Most European countries over the centuries in fact. | |
| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 09:12 - Aug 13 with 971 views | noggin |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 08:13 - Aug 13 by witchdoctor |
a country that invaded and pillaged ..add rape and it’s a perfect description of Norway… |
When did Norway invade another country? [Post edited 13 Aug 2024 9:13]
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 09:17 - Aug 13 with 927 views | Blueschev |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 19:20 - Aug 12 by Nomore4 |
Reform |
I agree the entire asylum system requires reform, in fact it requires a complete overhaul with safe routes for refugees to claim asylum reintroduced. |  | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 09:42 - Aug 13 with 886 views | bluejacko |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 09:12 - Aug 13 by noggin |
When did Norway invade another country? [Post edited 13 Aug 2024 9:13]
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Never heard of the vikings then? | | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 09:46 - Aug 13 with 864 views | Pencilpete |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 09:17 - Aug 13 by Blueschev |
I agree the entire asylum system requires reform, in fact it requires a complete overhaul with safe routes for refugees to claim asylum reintroduced. |
As alot of you will know i've been pretty vocal on the immigration numbers - if you really want to stop the small boats (in my opinion) then we need to do the following:
1. make it so that anyone crossing on the small boats are immediately returned with no exception
2. set up a processing unit in Calais where people can go and apply for a temporary Asylum visa in the UK then an agreed number (i'd go for 250 a week) are given these 90 day Visas and we (along with the French) arrange a proper Boat to bring those 250 people over - once here, their 90 day visa gives them a bed, food and the chance to look for work ETC
3. those people are then given a proper application process at the end of their 90 day period and either given permanent asylum OR they are returned to France if they are rejected.
4. One of the big concerns i have (for security reasons) is with people tossing phones and their papers into the channel - why would you do this unless it's so you can't be identified ? so the final rule would be no papers, no asylum.
We need to stop the boats, we need to get the numbers under control and keep ourselves safe whilst also helping those who need it and for those who do need it the passage needs to be a proper and safe one ... i think the above idea achieves all those things. | | | |
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