| Relentless March. 13:33 - Sep 2 with 2810 views | OldFart71 |
Anyone else fed up with the relentless march of price increases whilst at the same time having the Government constantly whinging about the mess the Tories have left them and the Country in. Leading to more tax increases and cuts. If they were that concerned why didn't they concede the election and let the Tories carry on. Of course they wouldn't because they are all suited and booted now with a nice little earner for the next five years. Don't get carried away with their promises or lack of as it turns out. Just another 5 years doom and gloom on top of the Tories 14 years of the same. |  | | |  |
| Relentless March. on 13:39 - Sep 2 with 2444 views | Guthrum |
Are you suggesting that Labour ought to have stood aside and let the Conservatives continue to mess up the country?
Price increases are largely down to private enterprise seeking to make a profit (see the recent annual reports of fuel companies, dividends paid by water firms and so on). |  |
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| Relentless March. on 13:44 - Sep 2 with 2391 views | homer_123 |
So, you have an issue with a political party telling the truth? |  |
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| Relentless March. on 13:47 - Sep 2 with 2370 views | meekreech |
| Relentless March. on 13:44 - Sep 2 by homer_123 |
So, you have an issue with a political party telling the truth? |
Show me a political party or politician who tells the truth ! | |
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| Relentless March. on 13:53 - Sep 2 with 2301 views | bournemouthblue |
I'm pretty sure I remember the Tories claiming it was Labour's fault for quite some time |  |
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| Relentless March. on 13:59 - Sep 2 with 2257 views | EdwardStone |
We have just endured 14 years of chronic mismanagement by the Tory Party
The past 4 Tory Prime Ministers have been inept, dishonest and utterly unsitable for high office; from Cameron's self - defeating Austerity to May's useless attempts at EU negotiations to Johnson filling the boots of his cronies under the cover of Covid to Truss crashing the economy with her insane tax cuts to the useless hand-wringing of Sunak as the country slid further down the u-bend
We have suffered the self-inflicted economic harm of Brexit and the further blows of Covid and all the fall-out from Putin's invasion of Ukraine
A combination of all these factors have left us all in a very poor position
Whilst I don't believe the current Govt have all the answers, I am convinced that they operate with more integrity and better policies than the previous shower
Chin up Eeyore.....it could all be so much worse |  | | |
| Relentless March. on 14:00 - Sep 2 with 2238 views | textbackup |
Tories are sht
Labour are sht
The low number of votes to get into power tells you everything you need to know.
So many people are fed up of the country being run by clowns, and have given up |  |
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| Relentless March. on 14:05 - Sep 2 with 2204 views | Guthrum |
| Relentless March. on 13:47 - Sep 2 by meekreech |
Show me a political party or politician who tells the truth ! |
Most of them do. They just focus in on different aspects of reality to suit their agenda, ideology, or simply what they think is practical to sort out (managing expectations). If politicians outright lie, they tend to get found out (as opposed to authoritarian dictators/regimes, who control the media and suppress public debate). | |
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| Relentless March. on 14:06 - Sep 2 with 2178 views | homer_123 |
| Relentless March. on 13:47 - Sep 2 by meekreech |
Show me a political party or politician who tells the truth ! |
See Guthers reply.
That said, you can't tell me Labour are wrong that the Tories have left us in an absolute financial mess. | |
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| Relentless March. on 14:17 - Sep 2 with 2089 views | giant_stow |
Labour should have stoud aside to let the Tories finish the job?!
Its one take i spose. |  |
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| Relentless March. on 14:19 - Sep 2 with 2079 views | Zx1988 |
| Relentless March. on 13:39 - Sep 2 by Guthrum |
Are you suggesting that Labour ought to have stood aside and let the Conservatives continue to mess up the country?
Price increases are largely down to private enterprise seeking to make a profit (see the recent annual reports of fuel companies, dividends paid by water firms and so on). |
It's all profiteering and cartel-like behaviour from private businesses, in particular those where the population has no choice (practically or legally) but to purchase their products (insurance, vehicle fuel, utilities, food etc.,).
Everyone but the CMA seems to appreciate that fuel, in particular, is a complete and utter cartel - all major suppliers within fractions of a penny of each other, and none of them choosing to pass on the 5p cut in fuel duty. | |
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| Relentless March. on 14:21 - Sep 2 with 2056 views | Whos_blue |
Concede and give the tories another 5 years?
Have you thought that one through mate?
Although I'm a Labour supporter, I'll never be an apologist for them, but I'll say we ought to judge them after 100 days, 6, 12 months etc.
14 years of misrule won't be undone over night.
Until today Parliament hasn't even really sat. |  |
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| Relentless March. on 14:22 - Sep 2 with 2046 views | bsw72 |
By your logic we should have left Paul Cook in charge at Town . . . |  | | |
| Relentless March. on 14:22 - Sep 2 with 2050 views | eireblue |
How would you want a government to control price increases from private enterprises? |  | | |
| Relentless March. on 14:23 - Sep 2 with 2038 views | Meadowlark |
Who did you vote for? |  | | |
| Relentless March. on 14:27 - Sep 2 with 2013 views | positivity |
| Relentless March. on 14:22 - Sep 2 by eireblue |
How would you want a government to control price increases from private enterprises? |
there is a way of doing that, but it involves a time machine and stopping thatcher selling off the family silver in the first place! | |
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| Relentless March. on 14:31 - Sep 2 with 1974 views | Whos_blue |
| Relentless March. on 13:53 - Sep 2 by bournemouthblue |
I'm pretty sure I remember the Tories claiming it was Labour's fault for quite some time |
Indeed.
The fabled scribbled treasury note was wheeled out again in their recent election campaign.
Desperate stuff. [Post edited 2 Sep 14:38]
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| Relentless March. on 14:53 - Sep 2 with 1866 views | NedPlimpton |
Do you know what, I'm actually not fed up of labour blaming our current situation on the Tories. More people need to hear it. And actually they should go further and be honest about how much Brexit stitched us up too, but they're too worried about upsetting the red wall voters
But more honesty about the current state of our nation is certainly no bad thing. Hopefully it can help avoid more ridiculous periods of economic mismanagement like we've just had [Post edited 2 Sep 15:06]
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| Relentless March. on 14:58 - Sep 2 with 1827 views | peterleeblue |
| Relentless March. on 14:21 - Sep 2 by Whos_blue |
Concede and give the tories another 5 years?
Have you thought that one through mate?
Although I'm a Labour supporter, I'll never be an apologist for them, but I'll say we ought to judge them after 100 days, 6, 12 months etc.
14 years of misrule won't be undone over night.
Until today Parliament hasn't even really sat. |
Totally correct. More Like 18 months id say.
We need to become "rich" with public services again.
You don't get nought for ought. It needs paying for. |  | | |
| Relentless March. on 15:00 - Sep 2 with 1826 views | hype313 |
| Relentless March. on 14:53 - Sep 2 by NedPlimpton |
Do you know what, I'm actually not fed up of labour blaming our current situation on the Tories. More people need to hear it. And actually they should go further and be honest about how much Brexit stitched us up too, but they're too worried about upsetting the red wall voters
But more honesty about the current state of our nation is certainly no bad thing. Hopefully it can help avoid more ridiculous periods of economic mismanagement like we've just had [Post edited 2 Sep 15:06]
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Not only that, the Tories kept blaming Labour for a global financial banking crash which was a strange take.
At least Labour can say our current financial dire state is completely the fault of the Tories and especially Liz Truss. |  |
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| Relentless March. on 15:11 - Sep 2 with 1737 views | BlueBadger |
| Relentless March. on 13:47 - Sep 2 by meekreech |
Show me a political party or politician who tells the truth ! |
So, how DID Labour crash the economy, ruin public services to the point of collapse and make us a global laughing stock in just over a Truss? |  |
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| Relentless March. on 15:18 - Sep 2 with 1693 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
A football forum seems an odd place for you as by and large you don’t seem too bothered with football at all.
Can I suggest writing some poems for EADT? |  |
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| Relentless March. on 17:36 - Sep 2 with 1456 views | factual_blue |
We'll put you down as a reform party voter then? |  |
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| Relentless March. on 17:39 - Sep 2 with 1436 views | factual_blue |
| Relentless March. on 14:22 - Sep 2 by eireblue |
How would you want a government to control price increases from private enterprises? |
You don't remember the 1973 Price Commission then?
Set up by whoever won the 1970 election.
That'll be the tories then. | |
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| Relentless March. on 17:50 - Sep 2 with 1407 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
The government don’t actually control prices - that’s called communism mate. What they can do however, is strip failing utility companies of their franchises, buy them back (cheaply in the case of those losing money). However labour have a HUGE task ahead, most of these price rises impact public services too since the government don’t actually produce anything (i.e they still buy their energy on the open market, and the NHS buys equipment which is now more expensive etc). So without substantial tax rises we’ll continue to see real terms cuts to services.
So the choice is we pay more tax, or we continue to not be able to see a doctor, or fix our cars from all the broken roads. Unfortunately Starmer has backed himself into a corner by promising no income tax or NI increase, and seemingly any wealth taxes (albeit looks like they may have finally realised that’s their only option). | | | |
| Relentless March. on 07:36 - Sep 3 with 1084 views | TractorWood |
| Relentless March. on 17:50 - Sep 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The government don’t actually control prices - that’s called communism mate. What they can do however, is strip failing utility companies of their franchises, buy them back (cheaply in the case of those losing money). However labour have a HUGE task ahead, most of these price rises impact public services too since the government don’t actually produce anything (i.e they still buy their energy on the open market, and the NHS buys equipment which is now more expensive etc). So without substantial tax rises we’ll continue to see real terms cuts to services.
So the choice is we pay more tax, or we continue to not be able to see a doctor, or fix our cars from all the broken roads. Unfortunately Starmer has backed himself into a corner by promising no income tax or NI increase, and seemingly any wealth taxes (albeit looks like they may have finally realised that’s their only option). |
Some government soon will have to grasp the knettle and acknowledge that the country is not underfunded but poorly run. The NHS costs £180 bn and is the biggest employer in Europe. We spend billions on vanity projects that never happen because they aren't viable or useful.
Starmer said he won't increase tax or NI for working people. Which means lower rate tax payers. He looks likely to hammer pension relief, potentially the tax free pension withdrawal and looks very likely to lift CGT to closer to income tax.
Which will all be channeled into poorly run services that won't actually achieve anything. Rinse and repeat.
I don't say this as a Tory or a Labour voter. I say this as someone who understands the personal and corporate tax regimes and can objectively observe our dire social outcomes. |  |
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