| Labour Party and Kier Starmer 07:25 - Sep 3 with 33659 views | onceablue |
I just woke up from a nightmare where Kier Starmer and his Girlfriend Rachael Reeves were in charge of the country
Oh f@ck
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:36 - Sep 3 with 10096 views | nodge_blue |
I think for any of these type of posts going forward you should have a cup of tea and console yourself that it’s not Liz Truss. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:40 - Sep 3 with 10084 views | WeWereZombies |
This is excellent news, we can let Whos blue off the hook on the draught excluder thread now that we have an even more embarrassing thread to contribute to. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:53 - Sep 3 with 10031 views | onceablue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:40 - Sep 3 by WeWereZombies |
This is excellent news, we can let Whos blue off the hook on the draught excluder thread now that we have an even more embarrassing thread to contribute to. |
Remember 66.3% of the people that voted in the general election did not vote for your beloved Party
So just to make that clear for you 66 people out of a hundred agree with me whereas 33 agree with you
The other person doesn’t give a sh@t | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:57 - Sep 3 with 10009 views | ArmaghBlue |
People here wanted Labour in charge. So not the best place to get sympathy, though it is quite amusing seeing how clueless they really are.
They are already destroying their reputation and support base, just like the Conservatives have done. |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:01 - Sep 3 with 9964 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
Are you a conservative donor and receiver of government contracts. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:08 - Sep 3 with 9914 views | MattinLondon |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:53 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Remember 66.3% of the people that voted in the general election did not vote for your beloved Party
So just to make that clear for you 66 people out of a hundred agree with me whereas 33 agree with you
The other person doesn’t give a sh@t |
That’s irrelevant- under the present system Labour won with a massive majority. |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:20 - Sep 3 with 9883 views | NthQldITFC |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:53 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Remember 66.3% of the people that voted in the general election did not vote for your beloved Party
So just to make that clear for you 66 people out of a hundred agree with me whereas 33 agree with you
The other person doesn’t give a sh@t |
To add some context 76.4% of the people who voted didn't vote for the Corrupt Party, and 85.7% didn't vote for the Racist Party.
To make that clear for you only a very small number of arseholes didn't want at least some form of social and environmental repair for the country. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:23 - Sep 3 with 9864 views | onceablue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:08 - Sep 3 by MattinLondon |
That’s irrelevant- under the present system Labour won with a massive majority. |
Course it’s not irrelevant
Yes there are in power but they are hardly the party of the people, like they think they are, when 66 out of every 100 people DID NOT VOTE FOR THEM | | | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:29 - Sep 3 with 9832 views | You_Bloo_Right |
I suppose we have years yet of "jokes" like this.
Oh well. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:30 - Sep 3 with 9834 views | onceablue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:20 - Sep 3 by NthQldITFC |
To add some context 76.4% of the people who voted didn't vote for the Corrupt Party, and 85.7% didn't vote for the Racist Party.
To make that clear for you only a very small number of arseholes didn't want at least some form of social and environmental repair for the country. |
Everything you say is correct.
But the fact of the matter is that 66 out of every hundred people did not want the Labour Party to be responsible for that social reform.
The above statement is not based on my opinion it is based on fact | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:42 - Sep 3 with 9788 views | Ftnfwest |
She does seem to be taking the starring role with the fish wife being ditched. |  | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:54 - Sep 3 with 9727 views | MattinLondon |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:23 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Course it’s not irrelevant
Yes there are in power but they are hardly the party of the people, like they think they are, when 66 out of every 100 people DID NOT VOTE FOR THEM |
You could probably say the same for most governments since the early twentieth century. | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:00 - Sep 3 with 9656 views | WeWereZombies |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:30 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Everything you say is correct.
But the fact of the matter is that 66 out of every hundred people did not want the Labour Party to be responsible for that social reform.
The above statement is not based on my opinion it is based on fact |
It was only a sixty per cent turnout so all the numbers quoted so far in this thread are some way out...that might be the only fact so far. Anyway, even though I voted Labour I don't really see them as 'my party' these days, I'm not a party member and I got a LibDem MP for all my effort, the seat might as well have stayed SNP.
But to cut to the core of the argument, I think a fair proportion of the electorate knew something had to be done so even a proportion of Conservative and Liberal Democrat voters really wanted the change that Labour are bringing in. Just about all of us knew when Sunak discovered a magic money tree during the pandemic that it didn't really exist and there would be a price to pay at some future date. And here we are. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:13 - Sep 3 with 9577 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:53 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Remember 66.3% of the people that voted in the general election did not vote for your beloved Party
So just to make that clear for you 66 people out of a hundred agree with me whereas 33 agree with you
The other person doesn’t give a sh@t |
That’s irrelevant. The country was crying out for change and the Conservative government was well past its sell by date.
I’m a lifelong Conservative who voted Labour. I’m going to disagree with quite a lot that Starmer introduces but the one thing the country needed was decency and honesty, and he will provide that.
The Tories need at least ten years in opposition in order to try and figure out what they actually stand for, which towards the end seemed to be staying in power for powers sake and not introducing any meaningful policies. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:17 - Sep 3 with 9563 views | Guthrum |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:23 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Course it’s not irrelevant
Yes there are in power but they are hardly the party of the people, like they think they are, when 66 out of every 100 people DID NOT VOTE FOR THEM |
No party has won more than 50% of the vote since Stanley Baldwin's Conservatives as part of of the National Government in 1931 - when both Liberals and Labour were split into pro- and anti-coalition factions. Baldwin didn't even become PM, that continued to be Ramsay MacDonald, heading his National Labour group.
Prior to that it was (barely, on 50.4%) Lord Salisbury in 1900 - Labour's first election, when the biggest third party was Redmond's Irish Nationalists and women didn't have the vote. For earlier examples, you have to go back to Gladstone and Lord Palmerston, when the electoral system was qite different.
No party has even come close since Wilson in 1966 (48%).
Basically, it doesn't happen except under extraordinary circumstances. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:25 - Sep 3 with 9469 views | Guthrum |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:42 - Sep 3 by Ftnfwest |
She does seem to be taking the starring role with the fish wife being ditched. |
Reeves is Chancellor of the Exchequer, arguably most important of the great offices of state behind the Prime Minister. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:29 - Sep 3 with 9436 views | bsw72 |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:30 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Everything you say is correct.
But the fact of the matter is that 66 out of every hundred people did not want the Labour Party to be responsible for that social reform.
The above statement is not based on my opinion it is based on fact |
To be clear, your statement that 66 out of every 100 did not want labour is not true, it is an assumption based on personal bias, using statistics to try and win an irrelevant debate.
The correct statement is that 66 out of every 100 voters did not vote for labour, which appears to be the point you are trying (and failing) to make.
I say failing, because an equally true statement is that 66 out of every 100 voters did not vote for conservative (or reform, or lib dems or greens etc etc).
Too many people use social media to air their political grievances, but fail to make use of the only mechanism we have to drive change today, and that is actually getting off their arse and voting.
My personal view is that had the british people not been so fed up with the personal political rhetoric and had said media and politicians focussed on how the country needs to change, we may have had more of those 19M voters getting off their backsides to vote.
The counttry is in a mess, but it is so easy to blame the politicians for everything - noyt enough people contribute to driving positive change in their communities, it's easier to sit behind a keyboard and moan. [Post edited 3 Sep 9:36]
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:33 - Sep 3 with 9378 views | NthQldITFC |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:29 - Sep 3 by bsw72 |
To be clear, your statement that 66 out of every 100 did not want labour is not true, it is an assumption based on personal bias, using statistics to try and win an irrelevant debate.
The correct statement is that 66 out of every 100 voters did not vote for labour, which appears to be the point you are trying (and failing) to make.
I say failing, because an equally true statement is that 66 out of every 100 voters did not vote for conservative (or reform, or lib dems or greens etc etc).
Too many people use social media to air their political grievances, but fail to make use of the only mechanism we have to drive change today, and that is actually getting off their arse and voting.
My personal view is that had the british people not been so fed up with the personal political rhetoric and had said media and politicians focussed on how the country needs to change, we may have had more of those 19M voters getting off their backsides to vote.
The counttry is in a mess, but it is so easy to blame the politicians for everything - noyt enough people contribute to driving positive change in their communities, it's easier to sit behind a keyboard and moan. [Post edited 3 Sep 9:36]
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Very well said.
We do rabid tribalism over selfless, constructive pragmatism while Rome burns. | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:44 - Sep 3 with 9292 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:53 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Remember 66.3% of the people that voted in the general election did not vote for your beloved Party
So just to make that clear for you 66 people out of a hundred agree with me whereas 33 agree with you
The other person doesn’t give a sh@t |
More people didn't vote for the Tories than didn't vote for Labour. So how you make it that 66 people out of a hundred agree with you is beyond me.
See also: Guthers' replies. You haven't thought this through. |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:52 - Sep 3 with 9258 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:29 - Sep 3 by bsw72 |
To be clear, your statement that 66 out of every 100 did not want labour is not true, it is an assumption based on personal bias, using statistics to try and win an irrelevant debate.
The correct statement is that 66 out of every 100 voters did not vote for labour, which appears to be the point you are trying (and failing) to make.
I say failing, because an equally true statement is that 66 out of every 100 voters did not vote for conservative (or reform, or lib dems or greens etc etc).
Too many people use social media to air their political grievances, but fail to make use of the only mechanism we have to drive change today, and that is actually getting off their arse and voting.
My personal view is that had the british people not been so fed up with the personal political rhetoric and had said media and politicians focussed on how the country needs to change, we may have had more of those 19M voters getting off their backsides to vote.
The counttry is in a mess, but it is so easy to blame the politicians for everything - noyt enough people contribute to driving positive change in their communities, it's easier to sit behind a keyboard and moan. [Post edited 3 Sep 9:36]
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“The counttry is in a mess, but it is so easy to blame the politicians for everything - noyt enough people contribute to driving positive change in their communities, it's easier to sit behind a keyboard and moan.”
In fairness to poster above our voting system is atrocious, all too often people’s votes do not count. In mine, the local Tory gets around 75pc of the vote, so there’s little motivation to turn up and pop a cross in there. Whoever you vote for, it’s a grossly unfair system that guarantees mediocrity and power to the two main parties.
We’ve swapped bigoted, corrupt and incompetent, for the merely incompetent. Perhaps that’s a harsh assessment, and Stamer needs more time - but taking away the WFA from pensioners who were already struggling to heat their homes isn’t a good start. I say that as someone a long way from retirement- but I’m sure we all have family impacted by that. | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:54 - Sep 3 with 9222 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 07:53 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Remember 66.3% of the people that voted in the general election did not vote for your beloved Party
So just to make that clear for you 66 people out of a hundred agree with me whereas 33 agree with you
The other person doesn’t give a sh@t |
What is it you liked best about the Tories? The crashed economies, the ruined public services, the bigotry, the corruption, the incompetence or the criminality? |  |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:57 - Sep 3 with 9177 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 08:30 - Sep 3 by onceablue |
Everything you say is correct.
But the fact of the matter is that 66 out of every hundred people did not want the Labour Party to be responsible for that social reform.
The above statement is not based on my opinion it is based on fact |
And how is the weather in Moscow today? | |
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| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:00 - Sep 3 with 9168 views | onceablue |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 09:44 - Sep 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
More people didn't vote for the Tories than didn't vote for Labour. So how you make it that 66 people out of a hundred agree with you is beyond me.
See also: Guthers' replies. You haven't thought this through. |
Sorry I will rephrase that
66 out of 100 people who voted agree with me | | | |
| Labour Party and Kier Starmer on 10:00 - Sep 3 with 9168 views | baxterbasics |
I didn't vote for them (or more accurately, for their party) but after major disillusionment with the last lot I was resigned to giving them a fair shot.
So far my main impression is that they are focussed on what they can ban, how many they can throw in jail, and finding new and imaginative ways to tax us.
Not encouraging really. |  |
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