| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 10:16 - Sep 22 with 1288 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 10:12 - Sep 22 by Benters |
The last time I saw you at football you were wearing a suit,we spoke do you remember I said you looked very smart😊 |
I remember speaking to you, I doubt I was wearing a suit given I don't own one! Maybe I was just smart?!  |  |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 10:19 - Sep 22 with 1263 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 10:15 - Sep 22 by Zapers |
Wrong, some of the bungs were not declared.
Blaming the right wing press is convenient for you, but when the labour movement are dissatisfied by it, that puts you on very shaky ground.
You are the only person on this thread that is blindly defending him.
Banksy is right, you can’t see beyond red. |
Nope. If this was all the Tories had got up to I'd be exactly the same. Non-story. Funny how you lot are so interested in this but weren't bothered by the much worse from the blue side, or indeed the real problems of the country (caused by them) that Labour have been tasked with trying to fix. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 10:33 - Sep 22 with 1250 views | Zapers |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 10:09 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not whataboutery you utter fool. These gifts are allowed. There's no story here. It's just desperate digging by the right wing press and finding very little at all. |
Temper, temper. How about addressing the subject matter instead of repeatedly justifying everything is cool, because the tories were much worse. |  | | |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 11:01 - Sep 22 with 1197 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 10:15 - Sep 22 by Zapers |
Wrong, some of the bungs were not declared.
Blaming the right wing press is convenient for you, but when the labour movement are dissatisfied by it, that puts you on very shaky ground.
You are the only person on this thread that is blindly defending him.
Banksy is right, you can’t see beyond red. |
I'm right about lots of stuff Zappers!  |  |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 11:24 - Sep 22 with 1158 views | pointofblue |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 10:09 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not whataboutery you utter fool. These gifts are allowed. There's no story here. It's just desperate digging by the right wing press and finding very little at all. |
Just because something is permitted doesn't make it morally right. Starmer claiming more than any other MP since 2019 is borderline ridiculous. It's not as if he was on the breadline to start with. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:10 - Sep 22 with 1120 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 10:33 - Sep 22 by Zapers |
Temper, temper. How about addressing the subject matter instead of repeatedly justifying everything is cool, because the tories were much worse. |
I've addressed it. Anything not initially declared (probably due to a simple oversight) has been declared. Everything is above board, legal and minuscule in the grand scheme of things. You just won't listen to any answer because you're a Tory and want to attack Labour no matter what. Literally no point debating with someone who'll happily back fraudsters who should be in jail and then attack others for a few dresses and some glasses. It's like the third reich complaining about a child attacking an ants nest. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:12 - Sep 22 with 1114 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 11:24 - Sep 22 by pointofblue |
Just because something is permitted doesn't make it morally right. Starmer claiming more than any other MP since 2019 is borderline ridiculous. It's not as if he was on the breadline to start with. |
I've said above, whether these gifts should be allowed or not is another debate. But the fact remains is he hasn't broken any rules, and this has been going on for decades. It's nothing new and is just a desperate stick to beat the new government with. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:13 - Sep 22 with 1113 views | GlasgowBlue |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 11:24 - Sep 22 by pointofblue |
Just because something is permitted doesn't make it morally right. Starmer claiming more than any other MP since 2019 is borderline ridiculous. It's not as if he was on the breadline to start with. |
Dolly used to make a great fuss over how Corbyn made the least claims of any other MP in the HOC. He used this as proof of Corbyn's moral character. |  |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:13 - Sep 22 with 1113 views | mutters |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:10 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've addressed it. Anything not initially declared (probably due to a simple oversight) has been declared. Everything is above board, legal and minuscule in the grand scheme of things. You just won't listen to any answer because you're a Tory and want to attack Labour no matter what. Literally no point debating with someone who'll happily back fraudsters who should be in jail and then attack others for a few dresses and some glasses. It's like the third reich complaining about a child attacking an ants nest. |
I am not a Tory but Starmer is clearly on dodgy ground here, especially after all he has said against the previous government.
If it isn't such a problem when did he have to come out and say that they wouldn't be accepting gifts any more? Surely if he wasn't doing anything wrong or worried about the image it creates, he would just be fine carrying on? |  |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:23 - Sep 22 with 1093 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:13 - Sep 22 by GlasgowBlue |
Dolly used to make a great fuss over how Corbyn made the least claims of any other MP in the HOC. He used this as proof of Corbyn's moral character. |
Has me on ignore but still disses me, unprovoked. Classy. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:39 - Sep 22 with 1064 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:13 - Sep 22 by mutters |
I am not a Tory but Starmer is clearly on dodgy ground here, especially after all he has said against the previous government.
If it isn't such a problem when did he have to come out and say that they wouldn't be accepting gifts any more? Surely if he wasn't doing anything wrong or worried about the image it creates, he would just be fine carrying on? |
According to the clip from Sky on page 3 he will still be accepting gifts.
But if he comes out and says he won't anymore, that'll be in answer to public opinion not because it's against the rules.
Funny how most of those complaining about this have waited until Labour are in power to cause a fuss, but said eff all over the previous 14 years of it. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:42 - Sep 22 with 1058 views | Benters |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 10:16 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I remember speaking to you, I doubt I was wearing a suit given I don't own one! Maybe I was just smart?! |
Do you still see young Luke ? |  |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:58 - Sep 22 with 1039 views | mutters |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:39 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
According to the clip from Sky on page 3 he will still be accepting gifts.
But if he comes out and says he won't anymore, that'll be in answer to public opinion not because it's against the rules.
Funny how most of those complaining about this have waited until Labour are in power to cause a fuss, but said eff all over the previous 14 years of it. |
That's to be expected as politics is very tribal. However it's the current government who will be under the spotlight as they are in power and have the ability to open more doors than the shadow cabinet.
Based on all he said about the previous government I am surprised about how much of an own goal this has been. He accepted over 2.5 time more worth of gifts since 2019 than the next MP. Am sure they are above board but it's not a good look. I mean why do you need somebody else to pay for his wifes clothes or his glasses? The fact the major donor suddenly got a pass to number 10 straight after the election does make you think.
Am sure all parties do it, but I personally don't like the donor / political setup. People are quite rightly questioning just what do these donors get for their money? It was the same with the Tories when they were in power. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 13:00 - Sep 22 with 1026 views | Zapers |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:39 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
According to the clip from Sky on page 3 he will still be accepting gifts.
But if he comes out and says he won't anymore, that'll be in answer to public opinion not because it's against the rules.
Funny how most of those complaining about this have waited until Labour are in power to cause a fuss, but said eff all over the previous 14 years of it. |
It seems that the public have already made their mind up. His approval rating is currently lower than Sunak.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee ? | | | |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 13:35 - Sep 22 with 974 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:42 - Sep 22 by Benters |
Do you still see young Luke ? |
I've not seen him in years and don't think he posts on here anymore either. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 13:37 - Sep 22 with 969 views | Benters |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 13:35 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've not seen him in years and don't think he posts on here anymore either. |
That’s a shame he was a good lad. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 13:47 - Sep 22 with 956 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:58 - Sep 22 by mutters |
That's to be expected as politics is very tribal. However it's the current government who will be under the spotlight as they are in power and have the ability to open more doors than the shadow cabinet.
Based on all he said about the previous government I am surprised about how much of an own goal this has been. He accepted over 2.5 time more worth of gifts since 2019 than the next MP. Am sure they are above board but it's not a good look. I mean why do you need somebody else to pay for his wifes clothes or his glasses? The fact the major donor suddenly got a pass to number 10 straight after the election does make you think.
Am sure all parties do it, but I personally don't like the donor / political setup. People are quite rightly questioning just what do these donors get for their money? It was the same with the Tories when they were in power. |
Yeah well the problem is all political parties need funding in order to put themselves out there and canvas votes. Unless we come up with some sort of system where they all get equal, free, advertising, it can't really change.
I'm sure Starmer's wife didn't need the clothes, they were a gift, that she was allowed to receive according to the rules, and so did so. I think most of us would - indeed I've accepted goodie bags on advertising shoots (and have happily accepted being put up in the best hotels, upper-class flights, free booze etc). There's a lot of hypocrisy over this. How many of the press exaggerating this 'story' have accepted freebies themselves (another industry rife with it)?
We have far greater problems in the country than this smeary nonsense. As I've said above, it's actually a testament to how much better this government is that this is the worst the right can dig up. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 14:02 - Sep 22 with 941 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 13:00 - Sep 22 by Zapers |
It seems that the public have already made their mind up. His approval rating is currently lower than Sunak.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee ? |
His approval rating (whatever that means anyway, and is probably skewed by who's asking about it) will drop due to everyone anticipating a painful Budget and him making difficult decisions... due to the country being right royal fecked up by your lot.
Unlike your lot kicking the problems down the road (or calling an early election to avoid them) he's actually doing something about it. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 14:29 - Sep 22 with 909 views | Zapers |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 14:02 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
His approval rating (whatever that means anyway, and is probably skewed by who's asking about it) will drop due to everyone anticipating a painful Budget and him making difficult decisions... due to the country being right royal fecked up by your lot.
Unlike your lot kicking the problems down the road (or calling an early election to avoid them) he's actually doing something about it. |
Hahahaha, Mr gullible;) | | | |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 16:32 - Sep 22 with 857 views | MattinLondon |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 14:02 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
His approval rating (whatever that means anyway, and is probably skewed by who's asking about it) will drop due to everyone anticipating a painful Budget and him making difficult decisions... due to the country being right royal fecked up by your lot.
Unlike your lot kicking the problems down the road (or calling an early election to avoid them) he's actually doing something about it. |
Let’s face it if KS happened to be a Brexit loving Tory, 90 per cent of the criticism he has received would have not been written. Papers like the Mail etc would have ignored it.
Most Tory voters who have been critical are largely doing it out of a sense of shame for supporting Boris and his mates of charlatans. |  | | |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 17:47 - Sep 22 with 814 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 14:29 - Sep 22 by Zapers |
Hahahaha, Mr gullible;) |
Extraordinary, coming from a Tory. They, and their press, have been fooling you for decades. I bet you voted for Brexit as well. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 18:04 - Sep 22 with 796 views | mutters |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 14:02 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
His approval rating (whatever that means anyway, and is probably skewed by who's asking about it) will drop due to everyone anticipating a painful Budget and him making difficult decisions... due to the country being right royal fecked up by your lot.
Unlike your lot kicking the problems down the road (or calling an early election to avoid them) he's actually doing something about it. |
It's this tribalism that makes politics so toxic.
It is widely accepted that the country is in a mess, lots to fixed, lots to be done, however the decisions that are being made are being made by the current government. It is their plan to get us out of it. They didn't have to cut the winter fuel allowance, they could have found another way. If they raise taxes, then it is entirely their choice to do that, but they can't put that decision based on the Tories.
There is always a honeymoon period where you get to blame the previous lot when there is a change in government. It feels like Labour have done their best to speed through that, and you can sense already that people are already getting jaded by it.
The ongoing conversation around the donations is just another distraction they could have avoided. It's not a good look when your own MPs are coming out and saying it's a bad idea to accept these sort of things.
People wanted better than the last government, they wanted hope for a brighter future. Time will tell, but man Labour are really using up the goodwill up in pretty quick time. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 18:26 - Sep 22 with 777 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 18:04 - Sep 22 by mutters |
It's this tribalism that makes politics so toxic.
It is widely accepted that the country is in a mess, lots to fixed, lots to be done, however the decisions that are being made are being made by the current government. It is their plan to get us out of it. They didn't have to cut the winter fuel allowance, they could have found another way. If they raise taxes, then it is entirely their choice to do that, but they can't put that decision based on the Tories.
There is always a honeymoon period where you get to blame the previous lot when there is a change in government. It feels like Labour have done their best to speed through that, and you can sense already that people are already getting jaded by it.
The ongoing conversation around the donations is just another distraction they could have avoided. It's not a good look when your own MPs are coming out and saying it's a bad idea to accept these sort of things.
People wanted better than the last government, they wanted hope for a brighter future. Time will tell, but man Labour are really using up the goodwill up in pretty quick time. |
Agree tribalism makes it toxic.
I'm pretty happy with what Labour have done so far. Industrial action on the railways brought to an end - the Tories tried for two years, Labour have sorted that in two months. Junior doctors and teachers likewise.
Perhaps the winter fuel allowance threshold could've been a bit higher but generally I agree that we shouldn't be giving handouts to every pensioner. My dad was moaning him and my mum are going to lose that ...but he can easily afford it ...and for even more irony, he's been moaning about "workshy scroungers on benefits" for years.
We all know this 'story' isn't really a major issue - just like Sue Gray's pay it's the right wing press digging for a scandal and not really finding much. | |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 18:46 - Sep 22 with 746 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 12:13 - Sep 22 by mutters |
I am not a Tory but Starmer is clearly on dodgy ground here, especially after all he has said against the previous government.
If it isn't such a problem when did he have to come out and say that they wouldn't be accepting gifts any more? Surely if he wasn't doing anything wrong or worried about the image it creates, he would just be fine carrying on? |
I wouldn’t say he’s on dodgy ground, as he’s complied with the rules as they are and his team have reputedly sought guidance about what he needed to declare. So he’s done nothing wrong.
Now, there’s room a separate debate about whether the rules should be stricter and I’d agree they probably should be. If you’re in other areas of government/public service, you’ve got very little room to accept gifts of any kind (even a cheap lunch being paid for you). |  |
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| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 20:16 - Sep 22 with 685 views | mutters |
| If only we'd let the grown ups have a go. on 18:46 - Sep 22 by Swansea_Blue |
I wouldn’t say he’s on dodgy ground, as he’s complied with the rules as they are and his team have reputedly sought guidance about what he needed to declare. So he’s done nothing wrong.
Now, there’s room a separate debate about whether the rules should be stricter and I’d agree they probably should be. If you’re in other areas of government/public service, you’ve got very little room to accept gifts of any kind (even a cheap lunch being paid for you). |
Maybe not dodgy when it comes to the rule, but he went after BoJo quite hard if I remember when they had that wallpaper paid for by a donor. Dodgy grounds in the court of public perception.
Donations are a weird thing. I've worked for many multinationals during my life time and it feels the rules about receiving gifts are much harder than public office! We were not even allowed to go out for lunch with some vendors, and if we did we had to ensure that we paid our own way.
It all gets messy when these things are close to each other. Bit like the last few PMs honour lists when they left office. Some of those people are clearly questionable | |
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