| Reform next? 09:34 - Sep 24 with 9431 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Off to check the odds....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/23/the-writing-is-on-already-the-wall-f
"Nearly one in four 2019 Conservative voters switched to Reform compared with just one in eight who backed Labour.
As a result, Labour won just 35 per cent of the vote – in an election where only three in five voted. Never before has a party won an overall majority with so low a share of the vote. Consequently, the pool of voters willing to give it the benefit of the doubt is unusually small."
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| Reform next? on 12:59 - Sep 25 with 1369 views | Zapers |
| Reform next? on 12:57 - Sep 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're talking nonsense (and not for the first time). You can't interpret if something's illegal or not. The law decides, and then it's fact. |
Enjoy your day. |  | | |
| Reform next? on 23:55 - Sep 25 with 1260 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Reform next? on 00:59 - Sep 25 by Zapers |
Are you suggesting that Reform bash all immigrants, like me?
If so, i suggest you withdraw that statement.
Since you have zero evidence that I'm racist, I consider that to be abuse. |
Not saying that at all.
They bash all immigrants and you are one so like the ones they bash |  | | |
| Reform next? on 04:54 - Sep 26 with 1188 views | Benters |
| Reform next? on 12:01 - Sep 25 by Blueschev |
An asylum seeker is not illegal until such time as their claim is rejected yet they remain in the country. As you have been told multiple times. I'm not sure if you're being wilfully ignorant or on a wind up. Either way it's boring. |
Ok let’s say I go on holiday to Benidorm,I have to present my Passport leaving Blighty and when I arrive in Benidorm.
But these people on the boats throw their papers into the channel,they enter the country in an illegal way,that’s a fact.
I am not anti immigration,I am against those that enter the country illegally though.
We are a soft touch and they know this. |  |
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| Reform next? on 06:26 - Sep 26 with 1152 views | Zapers |
| Reform next? on 04:54 - Sep 26 by Benters |
Ok let’s say I go on holiday to Benidorm,I have to present my Passport leaving Blighty and when I arrive in Benidorm.
But these people on the boats throw their papers into the channel,they enter the country in an illegal way,that’s a fact.
I am not anti immigration,I am against those that enter the country illegally though.
We are a soft touch and they know this. |
But they are asylum seekers, that’s very different to illegal immigrants, at least according to some.
Of course governments in the past have referred to them as illegal, but that has now changed because labour came up with some other weird title. Presumably to appease the far left;) | | | |
| Reform next? on 06:54 - Sep 26 with 1115 views | DanTheMan |
| Reform next? on 04:54 - Sep 26 by Benters |
Ok let’s say I go on holiday to Benidorm,I have to present my Passport leaving Blighty and when I arrive in Benidorm.
But these people on the boats throw their papers into the channel,they enter the country in an illegal way,that’s a fact.
I am not anti immigration,I am against those that enter the country illegally though.
We are a soft touch and they know this. |
If I punch someone without cause, that would be illegal.
If I punch someone because I'm being attacked, that would not be illegal.
Same action, different contexts and that's what matters here. Yes, they are entering the country in a way that would otherwise be illegal but because they are claiming asylum the way they got here is irrelevant until their claim has been processed. [Post edited 26 Sep 2024 6:54]
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| Reform next? on 07:56 - Sep 26 with 1041 views | MattinLondon |
| Reform next? on 06:26 - Sep 26 by Zapers |
But they are asylum seekers, that’s very different to illegal immigrants, at least according to some.
Of course governments in the past have referred to them as illegal, but that has now changed because labour came up with some other weird title. Presumably to appease the far left;) |
Its not ‘according to some’, but rather it is according to the law. [Post edited 26 Sep 2024 8:15]
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| Reform next? on 08:22 - Sep 26 with 990 views | Zapers |
| Reform next? on 07:56 - Sep 26 by MattinLondon |
Its not ‘according to some’, but rather it is according to the law. [Post edited 26 Sep 2024 8:15]
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Damn these governments don’t know what they are talking about🤣 | | | |
| Reform next? on 08:28 - Sep 26 with 963 views | MattinLondon |
| Reform next? on 08:22 - Sep 26 by Zapers |
Damn these governments don’t know what they are talking about🤣 |
Think you’re confusing the law with the idiocy you’ve been spitting on here.
Have a good day. | | | |
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| Reform next? on 08:31 - Sep 26 with 943 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Reform next? on 08:22 - Sep 26 by Zapers |
Damn these governments don’t know what they are talking about🤣 |
Deary me. Asylum seeking is not illegal.
The reality is that the last government sought to ensure there were no legal routes to do so, in flagrant breach of our international obligations and basic British values of decency, the rule of law and keeping our word. | | | |
| Reform next? on 08:46 - Sep 26 with 896 views | DJR |
| Reform next? on 08:31 - Sep 26 by redrickstuhaart |
Deary me. Asylum seeking is not illegal.
The reality is that the last government sought to ensure there were no legal routes to do so, in flagrant breach of our international obligations and basic British values of decency, the rule of law and keeping our word. |
The Illegal Migration Bill when brought to the Lords contained the following statement. And when introduced into the Commons, it had a corresponding statement.
"Lord Murray of Blidworth has made the following statement under section 19(1)(b) of the Human Rights Act 1998:
I am unable to make a statement that, in my view, the provisions of the Illegal Migration Bill are compatible with the Convention rights, but the Government nevertheless wishes the House to proceed with the Bill."
It was this legislation that purported to make certain actions in relation to those crossing the channel illegal, but statements such as this indicated that doing so was on dodgy grounds. In addition, it was never envisaged when the Human Rights Act was passed that statements such as this would be made, because it is only Russia and Belarus who are not signatories to the European Convention on Human Rights.
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| Reform next? on 08:49 - Sep 26 with 880 views | Zapers |
| Reform next? on 08:28 - Sep 26 by MattinLondon |
Think you’re confusing the law with the idiocy you’ve been spitting on here.
Have a good day. |
HMGOV.UK statistics relating to illegal migration published from the home office 24th April 2023. This is in referring to all Channel small boat crossings.
HMGOV.UK Additional statistics relating to the illegal migration April 2024. Again this is referencing the small boats.
Now who is the idiot,
have a good day | | | |
| Reform next? on 08:50 - Sep 26 with 872 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Reform next? on 06:26 - Sep 26 by Zapers |
But they are asylum seekers, that’s very different to illegal immigrants, at least according to some.
Of course governments in the past have referred to them as illegal, but that has now changed because labour came up with some other weird title. Presumably to appease the far left;) |
No, it's to stop the demonising of people who are less fortunate than us. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| Reform next? on 09:26 - Sep 26 with 782 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Reform next? on 06:26 - Sep 26 by Zapers |
But they are asylum seekers, that’s very different to illegal immigrants, at least according to some.
Of course governments in the past have referred to them as illegal, but that has now changed because labour came up with some other weird title. Presumably to appease the far left;) |
Labour haven’t come up with a new term for them. ‘Irregular migration’ has always been used. It’s in the source you yourself quoted - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-relating-to-the-illegal-migr
Note ‘Illegal Migration’ is only used as a proper noun (presumably as it’s in reference to the Illegal Migration Act). When referring to the migrants, the word ‘irregular’ is used. Always has been, because it’s not illegal to claim asylum. What the IMA did was to put into law a clause that allowed us to not hear asylum claims for people entering the country via irregular routes and/or without paperwork. This is believed to contradict the Human Rights Act 1998 (as per DJR’s post).
In short ‘illegals’ is a rallying call to racists, but has little basis in law as a person cannot be illegal. Irregular migration is the normal term used. |  |
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| Reform next? on 09:28 - Sep 26 with 777 views | Whos_blue |
| Reform next? on 09:26 - Sep 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Labour haven’t come up with a new term for them. ‘Irregular migration’ has always been used. It’s in the source you yourself quoted - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-relating-to-the-illegal-migr
Note ‘Illegal Migration’ is only used as a proper noun (presumably as it’s in reference to the Illegal Migration Act). When referring to the migrants, the word ‘irregular’ is used. Always has been, because it’s not illegal to claim asylum. What the IMA did was to put into law a clause that allowed us to not hear asylum claims for people entering the country via irregular routes and/or without paperwork. This is believed to contradict the Human Rights Act 1998 (as per DJR’s post).
In short ‘illegals’ is a rallying call to racists, but has little basis in law as a person cannot be illegal. Irregular migration is the normal term used. |
Nice one Swanners.
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| Reform next? on 09:30 - Sep 26 with 759 views | Blueschev |
| Reform next? on 08:49 - Sep 26 by Zapers |
HMGOV.UK statistics relating to illegal migration published from the home office 24th April 2023. This is in referring to all Channel small boat crossings.
HMGOV.UK Additional statistics relating to the illegal migration April 2024. Again this is referencing the small boats.
Now who is the idiot,
have a good day |
I'm pretty sure it's still you. |  | | |
| Reform next? on 09:32 - Sep 26 with 747 views | leitrimblue |
| Reform next? on 08:50 - Sep 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, it's to stop the demonising of people who are less fortunate than us. |
I think what Zapers is trying to say Flash is that he is the kinda immigrant that is pro immigration by wealthy white people but anti immigration of poorer non white people. But he's definitely not a racist  |  | | |
| Reform next? on 09:56 - Sep 26 with 669 views | lowhouseblue |
| Reform next? on 09:26 - Sep 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Labour haven’t come up with a new term for them. ‘Irregular migration’ has always been used. It’s in the source you yourself quoted - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-relating-to-the-illegal-migr
Note ‘Illegal Migration’ is only used as a proper noun (presumably as it’s in reference to the Illegal Migration Act). When referring to the migrants, the word ‘irregular’ is used. Always has been, because it’s not illegal to claim asylum. What the IMA did was to put into law a clause that allowed us to not hear asylum claims for people entering the country via irregular routes and/or without paperwork. This is believed to contradict the Human Rights Act 1998 (as per DJR’s post).
In short ‘illegals’ is a rallying call to racists, but has little basis in law as a person cannot be illegal. Irregular migration is the normal term used. |
discussion of migration always gets hung up on asylum seekers / people crossing the channel. arriving with the intention of claiming asylum is not illegal. but the numbers involved in that are tiny relative to overall net migration. it isn't in reality a big part of net migration.
for example, the number of migrants currently in the uk without any legal basis / permission is estimated at up to 800,000 / 1.2 million (the precise number is of course unknown and how it is estimated varies greatly). these are people who have overstayed visas, arrived on false papers, or otherwise arrived / remained without legal consent. you can call this group illegal or undocumented - that's just words. it's a much bigger number than asylum seekers. |  |
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