| Ben Johnson isn’t at the level I thought he’d be (n/t) 08:37 - Oct 6 with 20626 views | textbackup |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 12:49 - Oct 8 with 2448 views | textbackup |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 12:40 - Oct 8 by muhrensleftfoot |
Disgraceful post from a keyboard warrior in a darkened room I suspect. I do hope Ben Johnson doesn't read these forums, because that is not going to help him one little bit. He had a poor game, as all players do. 69 appearances for West Ham in the Premier League, and apparently well liked by their fans during his time there, does tell a different story. Real fans would back him, and not post such disrespectful stuff about one of their own players.
Edit...and now just seen the title has been changed :) [Post edited 8 Oct 2024 12:46]
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Your point is valid. I shouldn’t have called him sht. Hes clearly not. | |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 12:52 - Oct 8 with 2433 views | DJR |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 12:40 - Oct 8 by muhrensleftfoot |
Disgraceful post from a keyboard warrior in a darkened room I suspect. I do hope Ben Johnson doesn't read these forums, because that is not going to help him one little bit. He had a poor game, as all players do. 69 appearances for West Ham in the Premier League, and apparently well liked by their fans during his time there, does tell a different story. Real fans would back him, and not post such disrespectful stuff about one of their own players.
Edit...and now just seen the title has been changed :) [Post edited 8 Oct 2024 12:46]
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Stuart Watson thought the severe criticism of Johnson was not justified. He also pointed out that Johnson hadn't played much, was starting at right back for the first time and had been offered a five year contract by West Ham.
And if we're going to write off players after one game Leif wouldn't be here now.
For what it's worth, I didn't think Johnson was any worse than any of the rest of the team, except Delap. [Post edited 8 Oct 2024 12:54]
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 13:22 - Oct 8 with 2343 views | Vegtablue |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 11:59 - Oct 8 by SE1blue |
This post is far too sensible for this thread.
Give me more of how McKenna signs players by using a modified game of Guess Who and asking his scouts if his new signing has red hair. |
Would be a more exciting way of doing it! |  | | |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 19:21 - Oct 8 with 2133 views | monty_radio |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 13:22 - Oct 8 by Vegtablue |
Would be a more exciting way of doing it! |
Not sure if it's been pointed out on this rather fractious post, but, while it doesn't make Pullen super-qualified, nor prove whether the conversation took place as reported, Pullen played 100 games professionally as a goalkeeper, mainly in the National League, but with a handful in the EFL. So he wouldn't be the last person to chat to about anything football-related, nor need to have any interchange limited to the mere ironing of club shirts. | |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 20:00 - Oct 8 with 2076 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 19:21 - Oct 8 by monty_radio |
Not sure if it's been pointed out on this rather fractious post, but, while it doesn't make Pullen super-qualified, nor prove whether the conversation took place as reported, Pullen played 100 games professionally as a goalkeeper, mainly in the National League, but with a handful in the EFL. So he wouldn't be the last person to chat to about anything football-related, nor need to have any interchange limited to the mere ironing of club shirts. |
McKenna having a chat with him isn't the unbelievable bit. |  |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 20:02 - Oct 8 with 2076 views | Swailsey |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 22:10 - Oct 6 by FrimleyBlue |
It wouldn't be surprising tbh. They'll be signings KM wouldn't have directly been involved in. And with johnsons lack of game time it's safe to assume he's been one of them tbh. As much as axel has been solid if KM brought in johnson to be the new rb he would have been in.
So I can imagine that chat happening. Something like we've signed johnson what are your thoughts. I don't think it would have been we are thinking of signing johnson what do you think before we do |
This is wild, even for you. |  |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 20:19 - Oct 8 with 2037 views | monty_radio |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 20:00 - Oct 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
McKenna having a chat with him isn't the unbelievable bit. |
That's as may be. But I said it because several posters had snorted at the possibility that it could not have happened because it involved a mere kit man. Pullen has a backstory. I have no opinion as to the claim that the conversation did actually take place. | |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 22:26 - Oct 8 with 1929 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 20:19 - Oct 8 by monty_radio |
That's as may be. But I said it because several posters had snorted at the possibility that it could not have happened because it involved a mere kit man. Pullen has a backstory. I have no opinion as to the claim that the conversation did actually take place. |
I think you're making more of the kit man bit than anyone else.
The story is more that McKenna's asked someone not within his closest most trusted experts what they thought about a player - and the answer was "don't touch him he is sht". And now, since we signed him, that fella's lauding it in front of fans because despite being a non-league goalkeeper and now a kit man, he was bob on.
Something seems fishy to me. | |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 22:44 - Oct 8 with 1894 views | Ipswich24 |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 22:26 - Oct 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think you're making more of the kit man bit than anyone else.
The story is more that McKenna's asked someone not within his closest most trusted experts what they thought about a player - and the answer was "don't touch him he is sht". And now, since we signed him, that fella's lauding it in front of fans because despite being a non-league goalkeeper and now a kit man, he was bob on.
Something seems fishy to me. |
I really don't believe one comment has made so much noise. It's just 1 conversation with a bloke who watches a lot of west ham and was asked of his opinion on a player. |  |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 23:50 - Oct 8 with 1798 views | itfctilidie |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 10:10 - Oct 8 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How do you know this? You live nowhere near Ipswich and don't even go to games. Joe lives in Ipswich, does arguably the best/most informed ITFC podcast and is very close to people at the club. |
Living in or near Ipswich has absolutely no relevance to anything. Utterly bizarre comment |  | | |
| Ben Johnson isn’t at the level I thought he’d be (n/t) on 06:40 - Oct 9 with 1643 views | franz_tyson |
Unlikely that Johnson could survive at this level for so long if hes really sh1t. Could be a number of things - but maybe it's just needing time to get used to his role. Maybe we need a more defensive RB at the moment ( hence Axel getting the shirt) when we're trying to work out where we are.
If ONE player gets called out .... its the easy fix. Replace him and job done. But most players were off their game at the weekend. | | | |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 06:52 - Oct 9 with 1622 views | Benters |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 23:50 - Oct 8 by itfctilidie |
Living in or near Ipswich has absolutely no relevance to anything. Utterly bizarre comment |
That is a very good point. |  |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 08:32 - Oct 9 with 1549 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 23:50 - Oct 8 by itfctilidie |
Living in or near Ipswich has absolutely no relevance to anything. Utterly bizarre comment |
When it comes to knowing the inner workings of the club it does. I hear a lot of "people around Ipswich know" comments on here. I'd just like to know how Frimmers 'knows' this. He still hasn't answered.
But anyway, it's cute how you're following me around giving me down arrows for literally everything I post. Go on, pop another one in here if it makes you feel good. | |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 08:35 - Oct 9 with 1541 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 06:52 - Oct 9 by Benters |
That is a very good point. |
No. It's not. People living in Ipswich and having contacts within the club are much more likely to know bits and bobs of how the club is run than someone who lives in Frimley and doesn't even go to Ipswich on Saturdays for games.
Until I know more I'm in the Joe Fairs camp on this one! Over to Frimmers to reveal his sources/evidence. | |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 09:17 - Oct 9 with 1496 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 08:35 - Oct 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No. It's not. People living in Ipswich and having contacts within the club are much more likely to know bits and bobs of how the club is run than someone who lives in Frimley and doesn't even go to Ipswich on Saturdays for games.
Until I know more I'm in the Joe Fairs camp on this one! Over to Frimmers to reveal his sources/evidence. |
I don't need to reveal sources, I don't give two hoots what camp you're in,
I've not claimed to know the the bits and bobs of how the club is run, that's not being discussed, but as I have various contacts from lower level of football who've made their way up the levels in agents and recruitment depts, ( Not many mind you, it's not a big contact list lol. I know there have been players signed on profile matching without manager involvment in the process.
Look its fine, I don't have a need for validation, but as you've always said yourself if you 'know something to be untrue, you'll call it out' so that's all i did in response to joe's post that ALL players went through KM, and they don't. |  |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 09:32 - Oct 9 with 1473 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 09:17 - Oct 9 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't need to reveal sources, I don't give two hoots what camp you're in,
I've not claimed to know the the bits and bobs of how the club is run, that's not being discussed, but as I have various contacts from lower level of football who've made their way up the levels in agents and recruitment depts, ( Not many mind you, it's not a big contact list lol. I know there have been players signed on profile matching without manager involvment in the process.
Look its fine, I don't have a need for validation, but as you've always said yourself if you 'know something to be untrue, you'll call it out' so that's all i did in response to joe's post that ALL players went through KM, and they don't. |
Erm, whether the manager sanctions signings or not IS a part of how the club's run - a massive part. You're suggesting we sign first team players that McKenna hasn't spoken to - that's a huge claim.
You've basically just repeated yourself here other than adding that you know "agents and recruitment depts" so with nothing more to go on people will have to decide for themselves whether you or Joe are right. | |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 11:09 - Oct 9 with 1377 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 09:17 - Oct 9 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't need to reveal sources, I don't give two hoots what camp you're in,
I've not claimed to know the the bits and bobs of how the club is run, that's not being discussed, but as I have various contacts from lower level of football who've made their way up the levels in agents and recruitment depts, ( Not many mind you, it's not a big contact list lol. I know there have been players signed on profile matching without manager involvment in the process.
Look its fine, I don't have a need for validation, but as you've always said yourself if you 'know something to be untrue, you'll call it out' so that's all i did in response to joe's post that ALL players went through KM, and they don't. |
Sorry Frimmers, You've got this one wrong.
From Johnsons interview with TownTV after signing
“I spoke to Kieran a few times and just the plan that he has for the club, Mark’s plan that he has for the club. Mark overseeing everything and Kieran doing everything with the football side.
“He’s brought success so there’s no reason to change that. He’s brilliant. What he wants to do for this season, the plan on and off the pitch, the plan for myself as well was really refreshing to hear and you can see he’s going to be a successful manager for Ipswich and in the future.
“It’s definitely a great mix to come in here and I want to focus on my football, I love my football so it’s something that I really want to maximise.”
Finally,
I'd really like you to just reflect on the way you're approaching this. When you came back to the board after the whole Burns affair, you were a completely different poster, measured and open in both your posts and in your responses to others and a genuinely sanguine poster, a totally different Frimmers, hell, I took you off the div list and enjoyed many of your posts and responses.
But, of late, you've started heading back the other way again, you're wrong on this, people with far better knowledge have shown you to be wrong, and yet you are doubling down on it, very much 'old' Frimmers.
Can we have 'new' Frimmers back please? [Post edited 9 Oct 2024 11:09]
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 11:10 - Oct 9 with 1373 views | Vegtablue |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 19:21 - Oct 8 by monty_radio |
Not sure if it's been pointed out on this rather fractious post, but, while it doesn't make Pullen super-qualified, nor prove whether the conversation took place as reported, Pullen played 100 games professionally as a goalkeeper, mainly in the National League, but with a handful in the EFL. So he wouldn't be the last person to chat to about anything football-related, nor need to have any interchange limited to the mere ironing of club shirts. |
Like Flash, the kitman aspect didn't pique my interest really to be honest. My only thoughts would be that it's unwise for somebody in that position to circulate such a negative opinion about a serving player, or unhelpful for his trusted people to do so on his behalf, if the 'revelation' in this thread is vaguely true. I thought fostering good relationships with squad members was an important part of the kit manager role, which could be undermined by spreading the word around that you wouldn't have touched a player with a barge pole lol. Not just that, you even recommended against the signing in a professional-ish capacity, allegedly. Some things are better kept private and as such I treated that as duff tittle-tattle.
What did pique my interest is the claim that some signings are made without McKenna's involvement. I don't want to suggest Frimley is lying, but I would suggest he's misunderstood or mischaracterized what 'involvement' means in this context. That any first-team player has been signed without McKenna's prior approval (of the player himself, not just his statistical attributes) feels far-fetched in the extreme, and I believe there's a video somewhere on this thread detailing the lengthy conversation(s) that Johnson had with Kieran prior to joining, which steamrolls over Frimley's claim that Johnson is an example of this "as he would otherwise have been first-choice RB". I would think 'involvement' in this context relates sometimes to 'discovery' or 'negotiations', if Frimley's contacts are genuinely informed people. | | | |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 11:26 - Oct 9 with 1341 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 11:09 - Oct 9 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Sorry Frimmers, You've got this one wrong.
From Johnsons interview with TownTV after signing
“I spoke to Kieran a few times and just the plan that he has for the club, Mark’s plan that he has for the club. Mark overseeing everything and Kieran doing everything with the football side.
“He’s brought success so there’s no reason to change that. He’s brilliant. What he wants to do for this season, the plan on and off the pitch, the plan for myself as well was really refreshing to hear and you can see he’s going to be a successful manager for Ipswich and in the future.
“It’s definitely a great mix to come in here and I want to focus on my football, I love my football so it’s something that I really want to maximise.”
Finally,
I'd really like you to just reflect on the way you're approaching this. When you came back to the board after the whole Burns affair, you were a completely different poster, measured and open in both your posts and in your responses to others and a genuinely sanguine poster, a totally different Frimmers, hell, I took you off the div list and enjoyed many of your posts and responses.
But, of late, you've started heading back the other way again, you're wrong on this, people with far better knowledge have shown you to be wrong, and yet you are doubling down on it, very much 'old' Frimmers.
Can we have 'new' Frimmers back please? [Post edited 9 Oct 2024 11:09]
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Hi Chelts, My point about transfers I think has got lost in the whole Johnson thing, I wasn't calling Joe wrong in regards to Johnson, it was simply the part about 'ALL players' that was the only thing I was disagreeing with but I didn't want it to become a big thing either tbh which is why i'd stopped replying yesturday as I didn't want it to go the 'old way' as you say.
I did indeed say earlier in the thead based on lack of appearences that I assumed Johnson maybe one of those, im happy to be shown this is not the case and I don't disagree with any of that information shared.
I shall leave it here as I agree with you that I don't want it to become part of the old way, but hope that clears it up? | |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 11:42 - Oct 9 with 1287 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 11:26 - Oct 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Hi Chelts, My point about transfers I think has got lost in the whole Johnson thing, I wasn't calling Joe wrong in regards to Johnson, it was simply the part about 'ALL players' that was the only thing I was disagreeing with but I didn't want it to become a big thing either tbh which is why i'd stopped replying yesturday as I didn't want it to go the 'old way' as you say.
I did indeed say earlier in the thead based on lack of appearences that I assumed Johnson maybe one of those, im happy to be shown this is not the case and I don't disagree with any of that information shared.
I shall leave it here as I agree with you that I don't want it to become part of the old way, but hope that clears it up? |
That's the thing with posting controversial things, they will become a big thing because people will challenge them. It's all very well stopping replying and hoping they go away but that's basically running away from a discussion you started because it got too tricky. This isn't Trump's twitter feed here, we like some facts with our controversies!
You've held your hands up and admitted you were wrong about Johnson, do you not think it might shed doubt on the rest of your assertion? Knowing how diligent and thorough McKenna is with everything it would be very out of character for him to agree to the club signing players for him, with no involvement or discussion with the player himself. I could understand it at perhaps youth level but not the first team. | |
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| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 11:46 - Oct 9 with 1271 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Ben Johnson is sht (n/t) on 11:42 - Oct 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's the thing with posting controversial things, they will become a big thing because people will challenge them. It's all very well stopping replying and hoping they go away but that's basically running away from a discussion you started because it got too tricky. This isn't Trump's twitter feed here, we like some facts with our controversies!
You've held your hands up and admitted you were wrong about Johnson, do you not think it might shed doubt on the rest of your assertion? Knowing how diligent and thorough McKenna is with everything it would be very out of character for him to agree to the club signing players for him, with no involvement or discussion with the player himself. I could understand it at perhaps youth level but not the first team. |
"You've held your hands up and admitted you were wrong about Johnson, do you not think it might shed doubt on the rest of your assertion?
That's your call Flash, I disagree as I didn't say I was told he was one, I just assumed it without finding out, so my bad for not checking it out and being quick to assume. | |
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