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Babies were among the 1200 Israelis killed during the Oct 7th attacks too. Not to mention the barbaric ways in which people were killed on that day. I don't expect Israel are going house to house in Lebanon killing and raping.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 15:32 - Oct 16 by blueasfook
Babies were among the 1200 Israelis killed during the Oct 7th attacks too. Not to mention the barbaric ways in which people were killed on that day. I don't expect Israel are going house to house in Lebanon killing and raping.
What has that got to do with my post? Sounds like you are defending indiscriminate bombing, because October 7th.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 15:37 - Oct 16 by noggin
What has that got to do with my post? Sounds like you are defending indiscriminate bombing, because October 7th.
I love how you guys are able to just forget that Israel was attacked an 1200 innocent civilians were barbarically killed when condemning their actions. It's a great skill to have. I wish I could think in an unbalanced way.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 16:58 - Oct 16 by blueasfook
I love how you guys are able to just forget that Israel was attacked an 1200 innocent civilians were barbarically killed when condemning their actions. It's a great skill to have. I wish I could think in an unbalanced way.
Nobody on here has forgotten it, as far as I can see. Do you think it warrants what's happened since? Clearly you do.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 16:58 - Oct 16 by blueasfook
I love how you guys are able to just forget that Israel was attacked an 1200 innocent civilians were barbarically killed when condemning their actions. It's a great skill to have. I wish I could think in an unbalanced way.
The high horse might be shorter than you realise if your only way of conveying that point of view is on the back of treating news on these atrocities as a point scoring exercise. This is no game with a trophy at the end, and even if it was, there are no winners but only losers.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 16:58 - Oct 16 by blueasfook
I love how you guys are able to just forget that Israel was attacked an 1200 innocent civilians were barbarically killed when condemning their actions. It's a great skill to have. I wish I could think in an unbalanced way.
The trouble with much of it is, as you probably know, Hezbollah are essentially a foreign organisation embedded into Lebanon where many of the people don't really want them.
Then Israel say leave this particular area with short notice but could you imagine saying to your family pack your bags cos we are driving to Hull where its safe but we dont necessarily have a place to stay.
And to be accurate with your argument it was Hamas that initiated the attack so attacking Lebanon is less retaliation and more lets just have a war with everyone who we construe a threat.
We all expend alot of mental energy on these debates on this forum but we can affect f all.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 17:20 - Oct 16 by nodge_blue
The trouble with much of it is, as you probably know, Hezbollah are essentially a foreign organisation embedded into Lebanon where many of the people don't really want them.
Then Israel say leave this particular area with short notice but could you imagine saying to your family pack your bags cos we are driving to Hull where its safe but we dont necessarily have a place to stay.
And to be accurate with your argument it was Hamas that initiated the attack so attacking Lebanon is less retaliation and more lets just have a war with everyone who we construe a threat.
We all expend alot of mental energy on these debates on this forum but we can affect f all.
Regarding your third paragraph, since the day after the Hamas attacks on October 7th 2023, Hezbollah have launched nearly 10,000 missiles into Israel, killing dozens and displacing 96,000 Israeli people from their homes. So to say that this is less retaliation and more "lets just have a war with everyone who we construe a threat" isn't correct.
This doesn't excuse the loss of innocent live sin Lebanon or Gaza but for the past year Israel hs been under constant attack from Hamas in the south, Hezbollah from the north, the Houthis from Yemen and from the Iranian state.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 15:32 - Oct 16 by blueasfook
Babies were among the 1200 Israelis killed during the Oct 7th attacks too. Not to mention the barbaric ways in which people were killed on that day. I don't expect Israel are going house to house in Lebanon killing and raping.
According to official Israeli figures 2 babies died on October 7th. One was tragically killed while still in its pregnant mothers' womb, who was shot in a car, and the other killed by a stray bullet in a house's bomb shelter in a kibbutz. Both are absolute tragedies and should never have happened. Just as they are for any other innocent civilians killed. On any side.
The IDF has purposely bombed highly populated civilian areas for over a year now where over 50% of the population are children. I've seen countless videos of children having their limbs and even their faces blown to bits. And now they're doing exactly the same in Lebanon. Yet people like you always find a way to justify it. Just admit that you think Palestinian lives are less valuable than Israeli ones.
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How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 18:06 - Oct 16 with 3797 views
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 17:34 - Oct 16 by GlasgowBlue
Regarding your third paragraph, since the day after the Hamas attacks on October 7th 2023, Hezbollah have launched nearly 10,000 missiles into Israel, killing dozens and displacing 96,000 Israeli people from their homes. So to say that this is less retaliation and more "lets just have a war with everyone who we construe a threat" isn't correct.
This doesn't excuse the loss of innocent live sin Lebanon or Gaza but for the past year Israel hs been under constant attack from Hamas in the south, Hezbollah from the north, the Houthis from Yemen and from the Iranian state.
My gut feeling and what has also been reported, is that the Israeli government are seeing this as their moment of reckoning with all these threats. To not keep returning to this point. To settle it all.
Will that work?
Id suggest history says probably not. There will be no final decisive battle unless its nuclear. Partly cos religion sits at the base of much of this.
And when the UN and their major US allie are sucking teeth and trying to reign them in its probably fair to say most people believe Israel are going too far and risking a conflict that could have extraordinary consequences.
A two state solution remains the only path to a possible peaceful future. But i would acknowledge that peace may still not happen as maybe Iran just will never stop. But at least we would have a chance of finding out.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 17:34 - Oct 16 by GlasgowBlue
Regarding your third paragraph, since the day after the Hamas attacks on October 7th 2023, Hezbollah have launched nearly 10,000 missiles into Israel, killing dozens and displacing 96,000 Israeli people from their homes. So to say that this is less retaliation and more "lets just have a war with everyone who we construe a threat" isn't correct.
This doesn't excuse the loss of innocent live sin Lebanon or Gaza but for the past year Israel hs been under constant attack from Hamas in the south, Hezbollah from the north, the Houthis from Yemen and from the Iranian state.
I don’t think most reasonable people would begrudge a response to that. Virtually any country would respond to a hostile paramilitary occupying a bordering country and firing off heavy artillery, drones, and guided missiles at civilians. The problem as ever is the constant escalations, previously the IDF had targeted only Hezbollah positions in the bordering regions with virtually no civilian casualties. They’ve now ramped this up with a land incursion and strikes on densely populated Beirut making civilian casualties inevitable. In a state which is not engaged in this conflict.
It’s clear that Israel are now engaged in trying to reshape the Middle East. They’ve systematically broken down Iran’s proxies in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen. Iran are clearly in shock at the level of infiltration of Hezbollah - assassinations aside, the IDF apparently knew of most of the positions of their long range missile stockpiles. This has led to Iran’s muted response as they don’t know whether their own communications have been compromised. The worry for me is Iran may vigorously persue nuclear weapons now. They’ve spent billions arming and training their proxies only for them to be shattered. A nuclear Iran is not in anybody’s best interest, and would see them act with impunity in the same way Putin does. Perversely Israel’s destruction of Iran’s proxies may lead to further destabilisation in the region.
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How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 18:47 - Oct 16 with 3565 views
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 18:23 - Oct 16 by SuperKieranMcKenna
I don’t think most reasonable people would begrudge a response to that. Virtually any country would respond to a hostile paramilitary occupying a bordering country and firing off heavy artillery, drones, and guided missiles at civilians. The problem as ever is the constant escalations, previously the IDF had targeted only Hezbollah positions in the bordering regions with virtually no civilian casualties. They’ve now ramped this up with a land incursion and strikes on densely populated Beirut making civilian casualties inevitable. In a state which is not engaged in this conflict.
It’s clear that Israel are now engaged in trying to reshape the Middle East. They’ve systematically broken down Iran’s proxies in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen. Iran are clearly in shock at the level of infiltration of Hezbollah - assassinations aside, the IDF apparently knew of most of the positions of their long range missile stockpiles. This has led to Iran’s muted response as they don’t know whether their own communications have been compromised. The worry for me is Iran may vigorously persue nuclear weapons now. They’ve spent billions arming and training their proxies only for them to be shattered. A nuclear Iran is not in anybody’s best interest, and would see them act with impunity in the same way Putin does. Perversely Israel’s destruction of Iran’s proxies may lead to further destabilisation in the region.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 17:34 - Oct 16 by GlasgowBlue
Regarding your third paragraph, since the day after the Hamas attacks on October 7th 2023, Hezbollah have launched nearly 10,000 missiles into Israel, killing dozens and displacing 96,000 Israeli people from their homes. So to say that this is less retaliation and more "lets just have a war with everyone who we construe a threat" isn't correct.
This doesn't excuse the loss of innocent live sin Lebanon or Gaza but for the past year Israel hs been under constant attack from Hamas in the south, Hezbollah from the north, the Houthis from Yemen and from the Iranian state.
I wager a bloody huge amount of Israeli deaths if it wasn't for Israels Iron Dome, Sling, Thaad
At least Israelis within Israel have some protection. Can you imagine what young jewish kids are going through throughout the western world in universities etc etc?
Can you imagine that being your children?
Terrible stuff.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 19:32 - Oct 16 by Lord_Lucan
I wager a bloody huge amount of Israeli deaths if it wasn't for Israels Iron Dome, Sling, Thaad
At least Israelis within Israel have some protection. Can you imagine what young jewish kids are going through throughout the western world in universities etc etc?
Can you imagine that being your children?
Terrible stuff.
....of a restaurant, I assume in America, which had all their "Israeli" bunting/flags ripped off the outside of the property and the owner being verbally abused for supporting and promoting genocide, etc, etc.
They were Greek flags.
FFS.
What a world.
Former Page 7 Fella.
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There's a clip going round the socials... on 19:48 - Oct 16 with 3444 views
There's a clip going round the socials... on 19:41 - Oct 16 by Bloots
....of a restaurant, I assume in America, which had all their "Israeli" bunting/flags ripped off the outside of the property and the owner being verbally abused for supporting and promoting genocide, etc, etc.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 16:58 - Oct 16 by blueasfook
I love how you guys are able to just forget that Israel was attacked an 1200 innocent civilians were barbarically killed when condemning their actions. It's a great skill to have. I wish I could think in an unbalanced way.
How you balance out the 42000 Palestinians ( and climbing ) killed by the Israeli's?
While you are using your weighing scales how about the 2000+ killed in Lebanon.
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How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 20:30 - Oct 16 with 3349 views
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 19:32 - Oct 16 by Lord_Lucan
I wager a bloody huge amount of Israeli deaths if it wasn't for Israels Iron Dome, Sling, Thaad
At least Israelis within Israel have some protection. Can you imagine what young jewish kids are going through throughout the western world in universities etc etc?
Can you imagine that being your children?
Terrible stuff.
The intimidation and threats of violence towards Jewish students in American Universities is off the scale.
There's a clip going round the socials... on 19:41 - Oct 16 by Bloots
....of a restaurant, I assume in America, which had all their "Israeli" bunting/flags ripped off the outside of the property and the owner being verbally abused for supporting and promoting genocide, etc, etc.
They were Greek flags.
FFS.
What a world.
Here it is.
This so eloquently sums up the average intelligence level of “anti-Zionists”.
How many Lebanese lives is sufficient? on 19:32 - Oct 16 by Lord_Lucan
I wager a bloody huge amount of Israeli deaths if it wasn't for Israels Iron Dome, Sling, Thaad
At least Israelis within Israel have some protection. Can you imagine what young jewish kids are going through throughout the western world in universities etc etc?
Can you imagine that being your children?
Terrible stuff.
What we need now is for America to shoot down all those missiles fired into Gaza and Lebanon and it will all be cushty. All the cock wavers can loose off their missiles and hardly anyone dies.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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