| Warning - some Care Homes 07:08 - Nov 2 with 5647 views | onceablue |
Are saying with the new NI Tax hike and increase in minimum wage they may be forced to close
GP’s are stating their services may also be affected by Job losses.
You didn’t really think this through did you Rachael - This really isn’t going to help the NHS
The Labour Party strikes again
Easier in opposition hey Kier!!!!! |  | | |  |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:03 - Nov 2 with 788 views | J2BLUE |
Yes, there's no way the people working in care homes should get the princely sum of £12.21 an hour. Before tax. Greedy bastards. |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:13 - Nov 2 with 760 views | Radlett_blue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:03 - Nov 2 by J2BLUE |
Yes, there's no way the people working in care homes should get the princely sum of £12.21 an hour. Before tax. Greedy bastards. |
Fair enough - I think wages at the bottom end of jobs are too low. But increases (and increases in employers NI, plus they now have to make bigger pension contributions) have to be passed on to the consumer. |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:20 - Nov 2 with 745 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 08:07 - Nov 2 by onceablue |
Are you serious?
Being in Government is very similar to running a business.
They collect money from members of the public and decide what to do with it.
If you wanted to Invest some money and visited a financial advisor and his reply was I have never really done this before but I will give a go would you have confidence in them?
If I was Kier Starmer or the PM of any political party I would get the best Business minds around a table and ask them how we make this country work.
Unfortunately most of the Political Parties are too arrogant to do this and think they know best and so we have this continual problem of balancing the books regardless of who is in power |
If I was Kier Starmer or the PM of any political party I would get the best Business minds around a table and ask them how we make this country work.
Well done on explaining why you don't need to be a business owner to make these decisions. Now you just need to get out the crayons to join the dots. |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:30 - Nov 2 with 726 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:13 - Nov 2 by Radlett_blue |
Fair enough - I think wages at the bottom end of jobs are too low. But increases (and increases in employers NI, plus they now have to make bigger pension contributions) have to be passed on to the consumer. |
No they don't. They can be absorbed, in many instances, but less profit and lower pay for the top execs. | | | |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:41 - Nov 2 with 698 views | Ryorry |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:20 - Nov 2 by Kropotkin123 |
If I was Kier Starmer or the PM of any political party I would get the best Business minds around a table and ask them how we make this country work.
Well done on explaining why you don't need to be a business owner to make these decisions. Now you just need to get out the crayons to join the dots. |
I might be wrong, but I think he was saying (or trying to) that it’s a good idea to have people with expertise, experience and understanding of any particular field, engaging in government of that field; something with which I’d agree (if that’s what he meant!). |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:48 - Nov 2 with 675 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:03 - Nov 2 by J2BLUE |
Yes, there's no way the people working in care homes should get the princely sum of £12.21 an hour. Before tax. Greedy bastards. |
I keep repeating that the minimum wage in isolation is not an issue. It's the NIC hike and the lowering of the threshold to £5k that is the killer. Then add on the big increases in power costs, which in a care home will be considerable. |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 14:17 - Nov 2 with 647 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:41 - Nov 2 by Ryorry |
I might be wrong, but I think he was saying (or trying to) that it’s a good idea to have people with expertise, experience and understanding of any particular field, engaging in government of that field; something with which I’d agree (if that’s what he meant!). |
Which then makes you wonder why the OP is ranting rabbid right-wing speculation as if it is true.
The government has clearly taken expert advice. The fact it isn't rabbidly right wing is the OP's issue.
I would ask the OP, "just how well has the austerity they clearly prefer worked for the past 14 years?" |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 14:19 - Nov 2 with 648 views | Radlett_blue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:30 - Nov 2 by redrickstuhaart |
No they don't. They can be absorbed, in many instances, but less profit and lower pay for the top execs. |
Most private care homes aren't huge return businesses as the property asset requires a considerable sum. There are also few barriers to entry so plenty of competition has come into the market. Budgets always have unintended consequences & one of this budget will be fewer care home places & higher prices. | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 14:29 - Nov 2 with 616 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 13:41 - Nov 2 by Ryorry |
I might be wrong, but I think he was saying (or trying to) that it’s a good idea to have people with expertise, experience and understanding of any particular field, engaging in government of that field; something with which I’d agree (if that’s what he meant!). |
They said "Did you realise only 7 labour MP’s have experience of running a Business"... as if we don't have whole departments working on and with businesses to formulate these policies. As if owning a business is prerequisite for making a good decision for the economic health of the nation. And then proceeds to say if they were leader they'd do the same as already happens. [Post edited 2 Nov 2024 14:32]
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 14:34 - Nov 2 with 607 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 14:19 - Nov 2 by Radlett_blue |
Most private care homes aren't huge return businesses as the property asset requires a considerable sum. There are also few barriers to entry so plenty of competition has come into the market. Budgets always have unintended consequences & one of this budget will be fewer care home places & higher prices. |
£30 a month for a low paid employee... | | | |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 14:52 - Nov 2 with 583 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 14:34 - Nov 2 by redrickstuhaart |
£30 a month for a low paid employee... |
Is that all the extra cost is? Peanuts compared to things like recent fuel price rises and the impact of Truss’ disastrous mini budget on borrowing costs. There’ll probably be a knock-on on increased supplier costs as well on top of that. Could be a tad inflationary, but we’ve got to somehow move away from our ‘pile it high, sell it cheap’ approach to things. |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 14:52 - Nov 2 with 582 views | LeoMuff |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 10:30 - Nov 2 by Churchman |
We can afford to nationalise the care system if we want to, just as we found £billions for garbage PPE, contracts for all sorts of Covid stuff much of it for Johnson’s mates.
You either have a Welfare state that functions or you don’t. If you want it, pay for it and control it. Anyone who’s had to navigate the care system knows just what a minefield it is. You have to understand every aspect of it if you are not to get the worst of it, which is very difficult when you are trying to find the most suitable place for a loved one.
Old people in need are not to be treated as bits of rubbish; a nuisance. They are entitled to respect and care and that includes from governments. Invariably these people have paid in all their lives. They should be looked after until that ends and not have all their assets stripped off them.
Beverage’s idea was cradle to grave, not cradle to when you are past your usefulness you can p£ss off and make your own arrangements. I saw how keen the GPs in particular were to see my parents towards the end. They couldn’t have been less interested until in my dads case ‘end of life care’ referral was completed by the GP. I know it’s because of health care rationing, but that didn’t make it any easier.
So how to pay for it? This will cause debate, but whilst I am retired my income is sufficient to pay income tax. I’d be more than happy to pay NI too because I can afford it and that’s the key. Those that can afford it should continue to pay it. It’s just a thought and probably an impractical one.
The easy solution to the last para is to scrap NI and just have people paying one rate of income tax. It’s doable. However when talking about this with some people in the Treasury years ago they went bananas telling me that any politician agreeing to that is signing his political death warrant. The last thing the people need to know is the rate they are being taxed.
I know times are tough, but we can do better. The variance of care in NHS and care sector from brilliant to woeful is there. I’ve seen it. Wonderful people in almost every instance doing their best on the ground and a far more important/ better job than I could ever do. They are repeatedly failed by inept corrupt politicians and systemic, organisational failure. I met people who were high up in NHS England through work. Frankly I wouldn’t have trusted them to run a bath |
I’m surprised nationalised social care hasn’t been considered, would cure a lot of nhs issues in one hit, and cut the private profits made by care homes etc and enable people to be charged a fair price for care, not £2000 per week currently in some cases. Also hopefully a decent wage for a tough but essential job. |  |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 15:01 - Nov 2 with 571 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 14:52 - Nov 2 by LeoMuff |
I’m surprised nationalised social care hasn’t been considered, would cure a lot of nhs issues in one hit, and cut the private profits made by care homes etc and enable people to be charged a fair price for care, not £2000 per week currently in some cases. Also hopefully a decent wage for a tough but essential job. |
Ultimately that would be ideal. Can you imagine the outcry against the cost of setting it up, though? | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 15:21 - Nov 2 with 529 views | LeoMuff |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 15:01 - Nov 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Ultimately that would be ideal. Can you imagine the outcry against the cost of setting it up, though? |
Compared to HS 2 a drop in the ocean. If we can whip up those Covid hospitals in weeks, I’m sure we could set this up and though expensive would not be crazily so. | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 15:57 - Nov 2 with 490 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 15:21 - Nov 2 by LeoMuff |
Compared to HS 2 a drop in the ocean. If we can whip up those Covid hospitals in weeks, I’m sure we could set this up and though expensive would not be crazily so. |
Absolutely agree it is a good idea and it should play to the pensioners too. But the right wing press would crucify the tax and spend recklessness of it. | |
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| Warning - some Care Homes on 16:15 - Nov 2 with 462 views | Ryorry |
| Warning - some Care Homes on 15:57 - Nov 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Absolutely agree it is a good idea and it should play to the pensioners too. But the right wing press would crucify the tax and spend recklessness of it. |
Let 'em, 5 yrs away from an election. Sticks & stones etc. | |
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