| Match officials for Man Utd game 05:22 - Nov 14 with 3469 views | victorysquad |
I am sure Howard Webb does not want another phone call, but we need to take a really good look at who we get given from now on surely?
Given most of the officials are from the North West, that might indicate they will either me pro or anti Man Utd, but unlikely to have no bias either way.
There only appears to be 8 out of 20 referees that are not from around that area. do we have any ability to complain about who we are given? |  |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 05:45 - Nov 14 with 3337 views | ITFC_Forever |
Keith Stroud. Def. Info. |  |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 06:58 - Nov 14 with 3224 views | SitfcB |
David Coote. |  |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 07:04 - Nov 14 with 3209 views | tcblue |
We need to be careful not to turn into Leeds here.
Yes, we had an atrocious set of calls (or non-calls) against Leicester. And then we got away with a handball pen (IMO) against Tottenham.
Let's not get a reputation as the tractor boys who cry wolf | | | |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 07:31 - Nov 14 with 3104 views | DBaldy |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 05:45 - Nov 14 by ITFC_Forever |
Keith Stroud. Def. Info. |
And Clive Thomas as VAR. | | | |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 07:43 - Nov 14 with 3084 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Give it a rest.
Thus ref obsession is embarrassing. |  |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 07:44 - Nov 14 with 3068 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 07:04 - Nov 14 by tcblue |
We need to be careful not to turn into Leeds here.
Yes, we had an atrocious set of calls (or non-calls) against Leicester. And then we got away with a handball pen (IMO) against Tottenham.
Let's not get a reputation as the tractor boys who cry wolf |
We will look tinpot if we are not careful. | |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 08:30 - Nov 14 with 2911 views | MattinLondon |
I don’t see anything wrong in criticising a referee (as well as the VAR team) if we feel like we’ve been treated unfairly. The non-penalties against Man City and Leicester being very good examples of referee incompetence.
But we don’t want to throw our toys out every five minutes as that’ll simply annoy referees.
Basically play the game - complain loudly but get on with it at other times. |  | | |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 08:40 - Nov 14 with 2874 views | Guthrum |
However, if good referees, they will have the ability to adjudicate the game based on the rules, not personal feelings. Driven by professional pride, if nothing else.
It will be harder to do that if a team starts criticising them for bias before the game has even kicked off.
The Ref is not the enemy, the opposing team are. |  |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 08:42 - Nov 14 with 2853 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 08:40 - Nov 14 by Guthrum |
However, if good referees, they will have the ability to adjudicate the game based on the rules, not personal feelings. Driven by professional pride, if nothing else.
It will be harder to do that if a team starts criticising them for bias before the game has even kicked off.
The Ref is not the enemy, the opposing team are. |
Indeed.
This ref stuff has been blown out of all proportion.
Even Coote hasn't been shown to be corrupt or biased in a game, he just effectively said he didn't like a guy who bullied him in the work place. [Post edited 14 Nov 2024 8:42]
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 09:03 - Nov 14 with 2725 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 06:58 - Nov 14 by SitfcB |
David Coote. |
Through him a line and a hooker and we could be getting 10 pens  |  |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 09:09 - Nov 14 with 2680 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Good article.
I think Coote should be able to continue in the EFL after serving punishment for racist language.
Probably on the phone to Clattenberg for contacts in Saudi football. Could try the US or even Europe. | |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 09:23 - Nov 14 with 2596 views | Basuco |
Very good read and when you look at the picture of Klopp and Coote at the game in question, how on earth do managers get away with constantly abusing referee's to get decisions to go the way the want? Klopp is clearly going way over the top at Coote, how many times has this happened and it does not get highlighted on TV or news sites? Hopefully this will push the Premier League and FA to support referee's over abuse and bullying by "the big clubs". You can now see why decisions against "little Ipswich and little Southampton" are happening and why Mark Ashton had to take action. |  | | |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 09:33 - Nov 14 with 2547 views | homer_123 |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 09:23 - Nov 14 by Basuco |
Very good read and when you look at the picture of Klopp and Coote at the game in question, how on earth do managers get away with constantly abusing referee's to get decisions to go the way the want? Klopp is clearly going way over the top at Coote, how many times has this happened and it does not get highlighted on TV or news sites? Hopefully this will push the Premier League and FA to support referee's over abuse and bullying by "the big clubs". You can now see why decisions against "little Ipswich and little Southampton" are happening and why Mark Ashton had to take action. |
More distressing and depressing is what you see at Grassroots level and moreover Youth football.
Watching young kids, shout, ball, argue, berate refs (which are often parent helpers and not official referees for those matches) is shocking - to then watch on as coaches and managers at best, do nothing, at worst join in is awful.
Interestingly, not only are fewer and fewer people becoming referees - we have seen a number of parents remove their kids from football altogether due to the atmosphere and general nastiness of football at grassroots.
Obviously, it's not every week nor every match but its a pervasive and worrying trend.
How does Rugby (generally) get it right? Why is there generally much more respect given to official, not just by players but by spectators? [Post edited 14 Nov 2024 9:33]
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 09:37 - Nov 14 with 2508 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 09:33 - Nov 14 by homer_123 |
More distressing and depressing is what you see at Grassroots level and moreover Youth football.
Watching young kids, shout, ball, argue, berate refs (which are often parent helpers and not official referees for those matches) is shocking - to then watch on as coaches and managers at best, do nothing, at worst join in is awful.
Interestingly, not only are fewer and fewer people becoming referees - we have seen a number of parents remove their kids from football altogether due to the atmosphere and general nastiness of football at grassroots.
Obviously, it's not every week nor every match but its a pervasive and worrying trend.
How does Rugby (generally) get it right? Why is there generally much more respect given to official, not just by players but by spectators? [Post edited 14 Nov 2024 9:33]
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I think it comes from the top in Rugby, more respect from the players and media.
I think the media coverage drives the problems in football.
Rugby is also more of a minority sport in comparison, and there are the 'class' issues that come into it. | |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 09:40 - Nov 14 with 2491 views | Steve_M |
"This mainly involved replaying the footage with key parts tastefully bleeped out, while the two presenters sat ashen-faced at their studio coffee table like community police officers whose job it is to turn up on your doorstep and tell you your dog has been run over." |  |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 10:31 - Nov 14 with 2257 views | Bluefields |
It doesnt matter who is given the game. Do you honestly think refs have an agenda or are biased? Just accept the decisions and move on. Moaning about it makes the club and fanbase look tinpot to say the least. | | | |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 10:48 - Nov 14 with 2176 views | Illinoisblue |
Deary me |  |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 12:01 - Nov 14 with 1979 views | Edmundo |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 08:30 - Nov 14 by MattinLondon |
I don’t see anything wrong in criticising a referee (as well as the VAR team) if we feel like we’ve been treated unfairly. The non-penalties against Man City and Leicester being very good examples of referee incompetence.
But we don’t want to throw our toys out every five minutes as that’ll simply annoy referees.
Basically play the game - complain loudly but get on with it at other times. |
And the overruled one against Everton |  |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 14:50 - Nov 14 with 1694 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 07:04 - Nov 14 by tcblue |
We need to be careful not to turn into Leeds here.
Yes, we had an atrocious set of calls (or non-calls) against Leicester. And then we got away with a handball pen (IMO) against Tottenham.
Let's not get a reputation as the tractor boys who cry wolf |
Couldn't agree more. I accused Forest fans last season of being cry babies, bitter, the world is against us...
Decisions do equal out over a season, let's put the Leicester game behind us and stop whinging. | | | |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 20:49 - Nov 14 with 1455 views | LeoMuff |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 07:04 - Nov 14 by tcblue |
We need to be careful not to turn into Leeds here.
Yes, we had an atrocious set of calls (or non-calls) against Leicester. And then we got away with a handball pen (IMO) against Tottenham.
Let's not get a reputation as the tractor boys who cry wolf |
Never a pen v Spurs |  |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 21:04 - Nov 14 with 1424 views | lazyblue |
Seriously, just get on with the game. | | | |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 21:53 - Nov 14 with 1340 views | GeoffSentence |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 09:37 - Nov 14 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think it comes from the top in Rugby, more respect from the players and media.
I think the media coverage drives the problems in football.
Rugby is also more of a minority sport in comparison, and there are the 'class' issues that come into it. |
With rugb;, no-one ,not even the payers, know the rules so they have to assume the ref has got it right. |  |
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| Match officials for Man Utd game on 22:10 - Nov 14 with 1304 views | Plums |
| Match officials for Man Utd game on 09:33 - Nov 14 by homer_123 |
More distressing and depressing is what you see at Grassroots level and moreover Youth football.
Watching young kids, shout, ball, argue, berate refs (which are often parent helpers and not official referees for those matches) is shocking - to then watch on as coaches and managers at best, do nothing, at worst join in is awful.
Interestingly, not only are fewer and fewer people becoming referees - we have seen a number of parents remove their kids from football altogether due to the atmosphere and general nastiness of football at grassroots.
Obviously, it's not every week nor every match but its a pervasive and worrying trend.
How does Rugby (generally) get it right? Why is there generally much more respect given to official, not just by players but by spectators? [Post edited 14 Nov 2024 9:33]
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As the parent of a young but experienced ref (80+ games), I get far more nervous before games than I ever did as a coach or player. I shouldn't have to fear the prospect, however rare it is, of adults giving my child grief on a Saturday or Sunday morning.
Thankfully it's only happened once and the FA, league and club were all over it but I know numerous good young referees who have given it up.
All the top level officials we've come across have been hard working decent people who are also acutely aware that they will make mistakes and what the consequences of that are for them.
The vitriol served up by people who don't understand the laws and evidently have never picked up a whistle is frankly pathetic. |  |
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