| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason 14:06 - Dec 2 with 81883 views | chicoazul |
Now that the club has confirmed Morsy chose not to wear the armband, how do our LGBTQ fans feel about this?
Like I say I would continue the interesting conversation we were having but that thread is locked. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:23 - Dec 3 with 1524 views | NewcyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:18 - Dec 3 by lowhouseblue |
you don't get to tell anyone anything online. you get to express an opinion. i expressed an opinion. people will do whatever they want to do. it's not complicated is it? |
Your opinion is that people should move on, why? If you’re not interested then feel free to keep your opinions to yourself and extract yourself from the discussion. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:26 - Dec 3 with 1489 views | lowhouseblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:23 - Dec 3 by NewcyBlue |
Your opinion is that people should move on, why? If you’re not interested then feel free to keep your opinions to yourself and extract yourself from the discussion. |
because the rainbow tractor statement said it all pretty much and after 22 pages the discussion isn't saying anything new. strange opinion to get angry about. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:30 - Dec 3 with 1466 views | urbanpenguin |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:26 - Dec 3 by lowhouseblue |
because the rainbow tractor statement said it all pretty much and after 22 pages the discussion isn't saying anything new. strange opinion to get angry about. |
It says "it all pretty much" for you. Not me.
I'll move on when I'm ready, but thanks for your incredible empathy. [Post edited 3 Dec 2024 18:32]
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:36 - Dec 3 with 1409 views | lowhouseblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:30 - Dec 3 by urbanpenguin |
It says "it all pretty much" for you. Not me.
I'll move on when I'm ready, but thanks for your incredible empathy. [Post edited 3 Dec 2024 18:32]
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i'm sorry that you disagree and feel you have more to say. i'm clearly not going to stop you and i wouldn't want to. please say all that you wish. no one on here is restricted just because someone else feels that a discussion has run it's course. i'm very sorry that it has upset you. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:39 - Dec 3 with 1397 views | SoCalTownFan |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:30 - Dec 3 by urbanpenguin |
It says "it all pretty much" for you. Not me.
I'll move on when I'm ready, but thanks for your incredible empathy. [Post edited 3 Dec 2024 18:32]
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to all the LGBTQ community who have a problem with Morsy refusing to wear the ribbon
If, to show your tolerance and create an atmosphere of inclusivity you were hearby forced to wear a HIJAB or one of those white smock things the muslim lads wear on Fridays (with the hat thing) to the next home game would that be OK with you?
If you refused, you would lose your season ticket because bigot/islamiphobic etc. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:43 - Dec 3 with 1384 views | PassionNotAnger |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:39 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
to all the LGBTQ community who have a problem with Morsy refusing to wear the ribbon
If, to show your tolerance and create an atmosphere of inclusivity you were hearby forced to wear a HIJAB or one of those white smock things the muslim lads wear on Fridays (with the hat thing) to the next home game would that be OK with you?
If you refused, you would lose your season ticket because bigot/islamiphobic etc. |
Just when you think all the thickos and bigots have had there deflection attempt along comes another with a straw man so desperate and weak it’s almost funny. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:48 - Dec 3 with 1344 views | Swansea_Blue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:39 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
to all the LGBTQ community who have a problem with Morsy refusing to wear the ribbon
If, to show your tolerance and create an atmosphere of inclusivity you were hearby forced to wear a HIJAB or one of those white smock things the muslim lads wear on Fridays (with the hat thing) to the next home game would that be OK with you?
If you refused, you would lose your season ticket because bigot/islamiphobic etc. |
Er, what? |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:49 - Dec 3 with 1338 views | NederlandseBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:40 - Dec 3 by ArmaghBlue |
Well done him. No one should be forced to do things against their beliefs. |
Which belief do you applaud him standing up for? Has he said? | | | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:51 - Dec 3 with 1318 views | GlasgowBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:39 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
to all the LGBTQ community who have a problem with Morsy refusing to wear the ribbon
If, to show your tolerance and create an atmosphere of inclusivity you were hearby forced to wear a HIJAB or one of those white smock things the muslim lads wear on Fridays (with the hat thing) to the next home game would that be OK with you?
If you refused, you would lose your season ticket because bigot/islamiphobic etc. |
Good grief! |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:56 - Dec 3 with 1299 views | Swailsey |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:39 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
to all the LGBTQ community who have a problem with Morsy refusing to wear the ribbon
If, to show your tolerance and create an atmosphere of inclusivity you were hearby forced to wear a HIJAB or one of those white smock things the muslim lads wear on Fridays (with the hat thing) to the next home game would that be OK with you?
If you refused, you would lose your season ticket because bigot/islamiphobic etc. |
Seriously? |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:58 - Dec 3 with 1290 views | FrimleyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:39 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
to all the LGBTQ community who have a problem with Morsy refusing to wear the ribbon
If, to show your tolerance and create an atmosphere of inclusivity you were hearby forced to wear a HIJAB or one of those white smock things the muslim lads wear on Fridays (with the hat thing) to the next home game would that be OK with you?
If you refused, you would lose your season ticket because bigot/islamiphobic etc. |
Wouldn't it be offensive if everyone turned up wearing them? I remember there was a lot of hate when Newcastle fans did it.
However if there was a captain of the supporters group who wouldn't do it then you'd hope the supporters club would choose one that would be happy to represent the supporters club appropriately. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:02 - Dec 3 with 1266 views | J2BLUE |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:51 - Dec 3 by Mullet |
Wonder if this statement was vetted by the club too |
Classy statement.
They really have put the club first here. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:02 - Dec 3 with 1263 views | SoCalTownFan |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:58 - Dec 3 by FrimleyBlue |
Wouldn't it be offensive if everyone turned up wearing them? I remember there was a lot of hate when Newcastle fans did it.
However if there was a captain of the supporters group who wouldn't do it then you'd hope the supporters club would choose one that would be happy to represent the supporters club appropriately. |
The comparison is clear.
The LGBT team are angrily trying to force people to wear apparel that celebrates and endorses their lifestyle, on to people who either don't care about or disagree with it.
The up and down arrows on the news article ("statement from club on Morsy") comments thread show that this is very clearly a minority opinion. Overwhelmingly supporting Morsy.
Are they willing to be a recipient of their own logic? | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:07 - Dec 3 with 1218 views | Swailsey |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:02 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
The comparison is clear.
The LGBT team are angrily trying to force people to wear apparel that celebrates and endorses their lifestyle, on to people who either don't care about or disagree with it.
The up and down arrows on the news article ("statement from club on Morsy") comments thread show that this is very clearly a minority opinion. Overwhelmingly supporting Morsy.
Are they willing to be a recipient of their own logic? |
Lifestyle? What an abhorrent individual you are.
I find it staggering that there are people who ‘disagree’ with being a member of that community.
What is happening here? Have we dethawed a selection of people from the Middle Ages? [Post edited 3 Dec 2024 19:08]
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| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:07 - Dec 3 with 1209 views | GlasgowBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:02 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
The comparison is clear.
The LGBT team are angrily trying to force people to wear apparel that celebrates and endorses their lifestyle, on to people who either don't care about or disagree with it.
The up and down arrows on the news article ("statement from club on Morsy") comments thread show that this is very clearly a minority opinion. Overwhelmingly supporting Morsy.
Are they willing to be a recipient of their own logic? |
Sat what?????? | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:10 - Dec 3 with 1193 views | NewcyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:02 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
The comparison is clear.
The LGBT team are angrily trying to force people to wear apparel that celebrates and endorses their lifestyle, on to people who either don't care about or disagree with it.
The up and down arrows on the news article ("statement from club on Morsy") comments thread show that this is very clearly a minority opinion. Overwhelmingly supporting Morsy.
Are they willing to be a recipient of their own logic? |
Lifestyle? It’s not a choice. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:10 - Dec 3 with 1182 views | Swailsey |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:10 - Dec 3 by NewcyBlue |
Lifestyle? It’s not a choice. |
Stop the world. | |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:17 - Dec 3 with 1137 views | PassionNotAnger |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:10 - Dec 3 by Swailsey |
Stop the world. |
Too many of these idiots spend their time in echo chamber cesspits on social media and convince themselves that they are ok to say whatever prejudiced crap they want because they are a majority
Sad, scary and depressing | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:20 - Dec 3 with 1111 views | Cafe_Newman |
It's that moment - 10 minutes before kick off when we put out differences aside.
COYB |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:22 - Dec 3 with 1085 views | SoCalTownFan |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:17 - Dec 3 by PassionNotAnger |
Too many of these idiots spend their time in echo chamber cesspits on social media and convince themselves that they are ok to say whatever prejudiced crap they want because they are a majority
Sad, scary and depressing |
Ive been called
-thicko
-bigot
-Abhorrent
just for challenging the minority narrative and pointing out the special treatment angrily demanded.
I don't think that's very "tolerant" and "inclusive". It's name calling and personal abuse I consider it rather disrespectful.
That's how you lose the argument.
I notice no one has addressed my original point. Because you can't, Because the stance that Morsy must wear the ribbon or he is a bad person is an illogical one that demands special treatment for one group of people, at the expense of other groups beliefs. Not tolerant and not inclusive, as we have seen in this small snapshot. | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:23 - Dec 3 with 1078 views | NederlandseBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:24 - Dec 3 by lowhouseblue |
good and interesting post. but there are still two issues in this discussion. one is the need for the club and all of us to be non-discriminatory, non-bigoted, respectful, inclusive and welcoming. i don't think i've seen anyone on the thread seriously dispute that. equally your post shows why inclusion is so important. the degree of consensus about the need to be inclusive and respectful on here seems very positive to me. the second issue is whether the gesture of wearing an armband or bootlace really affects things in the real world to the extent that someone should be compelled to do so, or should be condemned and attacked if they choose not to. even after 20 pages i don't believe that someone should be compelled to go along with something if they have reservations and the scheme shouldn't put individuals in that invidious position. |
"the second issue is whether the gesture of wearing an armband or bootlace really affects things in the real world to the extent that someone should be compelled to do so, or should be condemned and attacked if they choose not to. even after 20 pages i don't believe that someone should be compelled to go along with something if they have reservations and the scheme shouldn't put individuals in that invidious position."
That's a few different points... Firstly, does such a gesture affect anything? A few people on this thread for whom this topic is directly relevant say it does makes a difference to them. They're better placed than most to answer. There is also a good number of sportspeople who later came out gay who say they wish there had been a more inclusive environment while still playing. So, yes, probably it does make a difference.
Then there is the point about compelling someone to do something. He has not been compelled - he chose not to and still captained the team.
And then there is speculation about his reasoning. We do not know what his 'reservations' are. Perhaps he doesn't like the organisation behind the specific initiative but is still supportive of people who are LGBT+. Perhaps he's worried about the repercussions for his family (something that still scares my friend). Perhaps he doesn't like certain colours. Perhaps he believes it's a lifestyle choice (!) that he disapproves of. Perhaps he's just bigoted. Unless he's clear why, people will assume the worst.
Real talent (in all things, not just football) is scarce, so why would any leader not want the best people, performing the best that they can? If you cannot put personal opinions aside for the good of the team, then you should not be a leader. | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:24 - Dec 3 with 1075 views | Swailsey |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:22 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
Ive been called
-thicko
-bigot
-Abhorrent
just for challenging the minority narrative and pointing out the special treatment angrily demanded.
I don't think that's very "tolerant" and "inclusive". It's name calling and personal abuse I consider it rather disrespectful.
That's how you lose the argument.
I notice no one has addressed my original point. Because you can't, Because the stance that Morsy must wear the ribbon or he is a bad person is an illogical one that demands special treatment for one group of people, at the expense of other groups beliefs. Not tolerant and not inclusive, as we have seen in this small snapshot. |
You’re a maniac. Nobody is responding because your example is so nonsensical and offensive it isn’t worth going into. I truly hope you receive the education you need. [Post edited 3 Dec 2024 19:26]
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| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:24 - Dec 3 with 1070 views | FrimleyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:22 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
Ive been called
-thicko
-bigot
-Abhorrent
just for challenging the minority narrative and pointing out the special treatment angrily demanded.
I don't think that's very "tolerant" and "inclusive". It's name calling and personal abuse I consider it rather disrespectful.
That's how you lose the argument.
I notice no one has addressed my original point. Because you can't, Because the stance that Morsy must wear the ribbon or he is a bad person is an illogical one that demands special treatment for one group of people, at the expense of other groups beliefs. Not tolerant and not inclusive, as we have seen in this small snapshot. |
No one has addressed the point? There's been 21 pages of discussing and addressed points if you cared to review them.
You clearly don't wish too but feel the need to share your bigotry views which aren't welcome here.
Anyways. I feel I've shared my views on the matter enough now. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:26 - Dec 3 with 1060 views | Mullet |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:39 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
to all the LGBTQ community who have a problem with Morsy refusing to wear the ribbon
If, to show your tolerance and create an atmosphere of inclusivity you were hearby forced to wear a HIJAB or one of those white smock things the muslim lads wear on Fridays (with the hat thing) to the next home game would that be OK with you?
If you refused, you would lose your season ticket because bigot/islamiphobic etc. |
Why have you capitalised hijab? It just means scarf.
Islamic dress is cultural not religious hence why it varies so much. And if you mean a thobe, those vary massively too for men, including colour.
The compulsion to cover one’s head or even dress islamically comes from an interpretation of modesty. The garments aren’t prescribed.
What you’re asking people to do is dress like a stereotype at best. Besides that, I’ve not a clue what point you think you’re making. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:27 - Dec 3 with 1052 views | Swansea_Blue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:22 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
Ive been called
-thicko
-bigot
-Abhorrent
just for challenging the minority narrative and pointing out the special treatment angrily demanded.
I don't think that's very "tolerant" and "inclusive". It's name calling and personal abuse I consider it rather disrespectful.
That's how you lose the argument.
I notice no one has addressed my original point. Because you can't, Because the stance that Morsy must wear the ribbon or he is a bad person is an illogical one that demands special treatment for one group of people, at the expense of other groups beliefs. Not tolerant and not inclusive, as we have seen in this small snapshot. |
To be fair to the board, it’s not clear what you’re trying to do. Your original point was pointless, as there isn’t a stance that claims he must wear the armband or he’s a bad person. That’s not what most people are saying. To extrapolate to that point from some arrows on a news story is a bit of a leap. | |
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