| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include 23:36 - Dec 21 with 7850 views | Ryorry |
Being casual, complacent and switched off when passing out from the back, and the team-mate you’re passing to has a man right on his shoulder in your area.
(Only just seen on MotD; addressed of course to those who defended Muric by saying he was only following KM’s instructions). |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 22:32 - Dec 22 with 1285 views | ITFCBlues |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 22:20 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Having watched it back. There was alot of miscommunication between the two.
Don't forget muric has been playing with delap. If he's not chipped it wide he'd play it in deep for delap to come onto. Sammy wasn't timing his runs well and many times ran too deep to halfway and muric had gone beyond him. That's a pre game training issue... |
The long ball wasn't really on yesterday, other than to Burns who had the better of Hall, but we simply didn't do that for whatever reason yesterday.
But with the 3rd goal in isolation yesterday, I'm not sure why Cajuste isn't playing a first time pass to the full back or CB as is the usual pattern. Yes we could've gone long perhaps, but as you say, they'd have likely won the physical battle and possession again and then who knows, maybe added the third goal feom that. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:36 - Dec 23 with 1243 views | Ryorry |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 22:18 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't feel I've had grief specifically in this one mate. I just think people have fallen into the frimmers burns trap last season where you subconsciously ignore reasoning and just find blame on a player you don't rate.
All the evidence is there to back up that Muric did the right thing, yet they all ignore it because they don't rate him. |
I give every player a clean slate at k/o in every match; and I’ve come to my conclusions from reasoning and evidence of my own eyes without prejudice.
I do take the point made by many re playing out from the back being our norm as instructed by KM. However, I’m sure he doesn’t instruct players to play by rote, ignore what’s actually happening on the pitch, and follow his rule book blindly.
The point re us managing games better, esp at critical times, has been made by many both yesterday and previously. The time that 3rd was scored yesterday was crucial - exactly the time I’d have thought KM would have accepted a different tack to the rulebook . | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:51 - Dec 23 with 1223 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:36 - Dec 23 by Ryorry |
I give every player a clean slate at k/o in every match; and I’ve come to my conclusions from reasoning and evidence of my own eyes without prejudice.
I do take the point made by many re playing out from the back being our norm as instructed by KM. However, I’m sure he doesn’t instruct players to play by rote, ignore what’s actually happening on the pitch, and follow his rule book blindly.
The point re us managing games better, esp at critical times, has been made by many both yesterday and previously. The time that 3rd was scored yesterday was crucial - exactly the time I’d have thought KM would have accepted a different tack to the rulebook . |
I do agree on the game management part. But that phase of play wasn't any different to the rest of the game and the danger no different. That's why I'm sure KM would see it as just doing as instructed as whilst it looked bad after it happened. It really wasn't a danger to begin with |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 04:27 - Dec 23 with 1167 views | Benters |
We have seen this before trying to play out from the back,when really it wasn’t the correct time to do so.
That third was definitely down to Muric on Saturday,why fanny about like that two minutes from half time?
At times even the best GK hoofs the ball away.You can see he was trying to be smart and it was a massive fail. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 05:24 - Dec 23 with 1169 views | PioneerBlue |
The margins in this game are the goals. We didn’t do well enough for at least two goals. Between the goals we could see how superior the opposition was, it will happen in the PL. I’m surprised it has not happened more, it very likely will happen more in the coming days. Let’s not melt each week, we’ve been there for 17 of the last 20 years.
I don’t know how many plans people want but by my reckoning we are already on striker plan c at least with both Hirst and Delap not fit or suspended. For defence we are on plan c with Johnson and Tuanzebe not fit to start or injured. In RW we are on plan b with Ogbene injured. I guess you get the point of my comments. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 06:25 - Dec 23 with 1163 views | bluesym |
I'm sure instructions from KM don't include 'make a total pigs ear of a kick off and concede an awful goal within 30 seconds of the start' either, but for some reason people only seem to want to over analyse the 3rd goal... |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 07:44 - Dec 23 with 1118 views | Benters |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 06:25 - Dec 23 by bluesym |
I'm sure instructions from KM don't include 'make a total pigs ear of a kick off and concede an awful goal within 30 seconds of the start' either, but for some reason people only seem to want to over analyse the 3rd goal... |
Good point 😂 | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 07:58 - Dec 23 with 1108 views | One_Bobby_Petta |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:26 - Dec 22 by TractorWood |
I love McK but he's defo guilty of just sticking to plan A. This worked unbelievably well for the last 2 years.
However, the plan just looked obviously wrong after 20 minutes. The physical mismatch was too obvious. The tactical changes were too slow and subs at 3-0 down to a much better side in this league are futile. Our players wanted the final whistle not the half time whistle. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 8:39]
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I'm not sure you're right here sorry. we have changed form playing it out from the back all the time to kicking long now.
On Saturday we started kicking long but we couldn't win the ball because Newcastle were so strong and fast, we then started to play out from the back but we couldn't win the ball because Newcastle were so strong and fast.
We were lightweight up front, missed Delap or Hirst badly and Muric's distribution is slow and poor at best, Muric played that short pass at least 10x and everytime it was heart in mouth, it was bound to go wrong like it did with Morsey last season, I cant remember who against, did we not learn?
Leif consistently out of position but we love him for that
We looked much much better with Phillips and Broadhead on but maybe thats because Newcastle had won and could have been 7/8 goals in front
I dont thikn we stuck to plan A, we just weren't good enough | | | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:16 - Dec 23 with 1085 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 22:18 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
I don't feel I've had grief specifically in this one mate. I just think people have fallen into the frimmers burns trap last season where you subconsciously ignore reasoning and just find blame on a player you don't rate.
All the evidence is there to back up that Muric did the right thing, yet they all ignore it because they don't rate him. |
You seem to want to blame Cajuste and put nothing on Muric.
Could it be possible that it's a bit of both?!
"All the evidence is there to back up that Muric did the right thing" - really? We conceded a goal from the keeper having the ball in his hands. What evidence?
It wasn't the same as the other passes out from the back, it was by far the riskiest of the lot, Cajuste had an oppo player perhaps closer than he realised (which Muric would be able to see), and very few options once he got it. For me Cajuste miscontrolled but any keeper with a brain in his nut would see that it was too risky a pass to make at that time.
They both got it wrong.
Muric is getting more stick because he makes a costly error almost every game. I say that as someone who's supported Muric, not someone who "doesn't rate him".
You seem to have fallen into the trap of forgetting you know feck all about football and get it wrong time and time and time and time again. I can't believe you have the gall to bring up the Burns episode on top of that, another of your ridiculous clangers. |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:23 - Dec 23 with 1063 views | NeedhamChris |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:16 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You seem to want to blame Cajuste and put nothing on Muric.
Could it be possible that it's a bit of both?!
"All the evidence is there to back up that Muric did the right thing" - really? We conceded a goal from the keeper having the ball in his hands. What evidence?
It wasn't the same as the other passes out from the back, it was by far the riskiest of the lot, Cajuste had an oppo player perhaps closer than he realised (which Muric would be able to see), and very few options once he got it. For me Cajuste miscontrolled but any keeper with a brain in his nut would see that it was too risky a pass to make at that time.
They both got it wrong.
Muric is getting more stick because he makes a costly error almost every game. I say that as someone who's supported Muric, not someone who "doesn't rate him".
You seem to have fallen into the trap of forgetting you know feck all about football and get it wrong time and time and time and time again. I can't believe you have the gall to bring up the Burns episode on top of that, another of your ridiculous clangers. |
He's saying the same thing re: the goal that Phil is, it's hardly an out there view
There were lots of passes that were just as risky, but you (like many) are falling into the trap of risk assessing based on the outcome.
Your last paragraph is just personal abuse for the sake of it, embarrassing. [Post edited 23 Dec 2024 8:23]
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:32 - Dec 23 with 1045 views | textbackup |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:16 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You seem to want to blame Cajuste and put nothing on Muric.
Could it be possible that it's a bit of both?!
"All the evidence is there to back up that Muric did the right thing" - really? We conceded a goal from the keeper having the ball in his hands. What evidence?
It wasn't the same as the other passes out from the back, it was by far the riskiest of the lot, Cajuste had an oppo player perhaps closer than he realised (which Muric would be able to see), and very few options once he got it. For me Cajuste miscontrolled but any keeper with a brain in his nut would see that it was too risky a pass to make at that time.
They both got it wrong.
Muric is getting more stick because he makes a costly error almost every game. I say that as someone who's supported Muric, not someone who "doesn't rate him".
You seem to have fallen into the trap of forgetting you know feck all about football and get it wrong time and time and time and time again. I can't believe you have the gall to bring up the Burns episode on top of that, another of your ridiculous clangers. |
You take this forum way too seriously |  |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:48 - Dec 23 with 1018 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:23 - Dec 23 by NeedhamChris |
He's saying the same thing re: the goal that Phil is, it's hardly an out there view
There were lots of passes that were just as risky, but you (like many) are falling into the trap of risk assessing based on the outcome.
Your last paragraph is just personal abuse for the sake of it, embarrassing. [Post edited 23 Dec 2024 8:23]
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No, Phil hasn't said it's all on Cajuste and Muric is blame free.
You've jumped on this because it's me. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:51 - Dec 23 with 1008 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:32 - Dec 23 by textbackup |
You take this forum way too seriously |
I'm just responding to a point with my own points. Not sure what's "way too serious" about it. It's a football discussion forum and we're discussing football. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:54 - Dec 23 with 981 views | NeedhamChris |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:48 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, Phil hasn't said it's all on Cajuste and Muric is blame free.
You've jumped on this because it's me. |
Phil has said...
But players take the ball all the time on the edge of the area in that manner. Rarely in a situation like that are you going to make the run Cajuste makes and someone doesn't follow you.
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Not sure Cajuste had a player any closer to him than is often the case when we pass out like that, usually to Morsy, you're rarely going to receive the ball without an opposition player pressing from behind. Think the issue was more allowing the challenge to be made rather than moving it wide.
How are you reading any of that as a criticism of Muric? | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:57 - Dec 23 with 965 views | textbackup |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:51 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm just responding to a point with my own points. Not sure what's "way too serious" about it. It's a football discussion forum and we're discussing football. |
Casually missing the abuse you gave him 😂 | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:03 - Dec 23 with 950 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:54 - Dec 23 by NeedhamChris |
Phil has said...
But players take the ball all the time on the edge of the area in that manner. Rarely in a situation like that are you going to make the run Cajuste makes and someone doesn't follow you.
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Not sure Cajuste had a player any closer to him than is often the case when we pass out like that, usually to Morsy, you're rarely going to receive the ball without an opposition player pressing from behind. Think the issue was more allowing the challenge to be made rather than moving it wide.
How are you reading any of that as a criticism of Muric? |
I'm also going on TWTV where Phil says "I don't know (who's fully at fault)" or words to that affect.
In the quotes you've plucked out Phil doesn't even mention Muric, so I don't know what you want me to say. My point was Frimmers literally says there's nothing on Muric ...in fact "there's evidence he does everything right." I simply dispute that and would like to know what that evidence is.
I think they're both at fault. I don't think that's too controversial an opinion!
Finally, Phil Ham isn't the be all and end all anyway. He's a human who sees things how he sees things and has his own interpretation which no-one has to be beholden to. Joe Fairs agrees with me and says almost exactly the same in another thread this morning (which funnily you haven't decided to jump on as yet). | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:04 - Dec 23 with 933 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 08:57 - Dec 23 by textbackup |
Casually missing the abuse you gave him 😂 |
"Abuse" LOL.
I hope Phil ban's me if I've posted any abuse. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:05 - Dec 23 with 930 views | tractorboy1978 |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 00:03 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
If you haven't watched the game yet ryorry please do.
Muric played the same ball to morsy and cajuste 100 times that half. Each time they passed it one touch to another town player with a Newcastle player up their backside.
The difference in that specific moment was cajuste asked for it. He got it but rather than quick pass it off he tried to turn his man inside our box. That's on cajuste.
"I think the particular action we’ve done time and time again this season and time and time again last season and we’re actually one of the teams who have conceded the fewest from building up, we’ve been good with it. |
Disagree with that. Watch it back and freeze it. Not sure Cajuste even touched the ball. Bruno was right up his arse before the ball even reached him. He couldn't play it with his right foot. | | | |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:07 - Dec 23 with 914 views | NeedhamChris |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:03 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm also going on TWTV where Phil says "I don't know (who's fully at fault)" or words to that affect.
In the quotes you've plucked out Phil doesn't even mention Muric, so I don't know what you want me to say. My point was Frimmers literally says there's nothing on Muric ...in fact "there's evidence he does everything right." I simply dispute that and would like to know what that evidence is.
I think they're both at fault. I don't think that's too controversial an opinion!
Finally, Phil Ham isn't the be all and end all anyway. He's a human who sees things how he sees things and has his own interpretation which no-one has to be beholden to. Joe Fairs agrees with me and says almost exactly the same in another thread this morning (which funnily you haven't decided to jump on as yet). |
I wouldn't have jumped on this at all if it wasn't for the abuse below.
" You seem to have fallen into the trap of forgetting you know feck all about football and get it wrong time and time and time and time again. I can't believe you have the gall to bring up the Burns episode on top of that, another of your ridiculous clangers. "
There's just no need for it - and then you act surprised that you're called out for it. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:09 - Dec 23 with 886 views | NeedhamChris |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:04 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Abuse" LOL.
I hope Phil ban's me if I've posted any abuse. |
See, that last line shows we can agree after all. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:16 - Dec 23 with 868 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:07 - Dec 23 by NeedhamChris |
I wouldn't have jumped on this at all if it wasn't for the abuse below.
" You seem to have fallen into the trap of forgetting you know feck all about football and get it wrong time and time and time and time again. I can't believe you have the gall to bring up the Burns episode on top of that, another of your ridiculous clangers. "
There's just no need for it - and then you act surprised that you're called out for it. |
I wouldn't have jumped on it if he hadn't brought up his Burns episode as some sort of defence. The rest is spot on, he's been shown to be clueless on countless occasions. I don't know why he feels the need to patronise people now like he's some sort of football expert.
You've uparrowed Texters for saying I take this forum too seriously... surely you're taking this forum too seriously right here?!? | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:20 - Dec 23 with 850 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:09 - Dec 23 by NeedhamChris |
See, that last line shows we can agree after all. |
LOLOLOLOL. You'd love for me to be banned - one less person to remind everyone you called for McKenna to be sacked in the early days. That was more spectacularly wrong than anything Frimmers has said, which is extraordinary when you think about how much he's posted.
Maybe the reason you leap to the defence of Frimmers is because you're kindred spirits in cluelessness. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:24 - Dec 23 with 829 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:16 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I wouldn't have jumped on it if he hadn't brought up his Burns episode as some sort of defence. The rest is spot on, he's been shown to be clueless on countless occasions. I don't know why he feels the need to patronise people now like he's some sort of football expert.
You've uparrowed Texters for saying I take this forum too seriously... surely you're taking this forum too seriously right here?!? |
Flash. I solely mentioned the burns thing as I acknowledge I would effectively see fault in his actions even if he wasn't solely at fault. Not purposefully but subconsciously.
You are right. I've put the blame solely on cajuste as I do believe it is his fault in this instance.
You are entitled to feel the fault lays with both players. However you will see the majority are laying the blame with muric solely despite doing the same thing he'd been doing for 44 minutes playing the exact same pass with the exact same newcastle press happening. It's only been made a thing of because they scored. The other passes don't get a mention despite a few being incredibly close to being a Newcastle attack.
Anyways. I don't get the need for the abuse again. But like last night I really have had enough of having to argue rather than just discussing football so I'll pop you on ignore too. So you lot who doing agree with me can discuss between yourselves. | |
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:26 - Dec 23 with 828 views | Kieran_Knows |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 06:25 - Dec 23 by bluesym |
I'm sure instructions from KM don't include 'make a total pigs ear of a kick off and concede an awful goal within 30 seconds of the start' either, but for some reason people only seem to want to over analyse the 3rd goal... |
Am I the only one who saw on Saturday when the kick off went wrong, that Burns decided to run across the edge of the area to get back in to his position at right wing, only to leave the centre half free to walk out with the ball which then lead to the first goal?
Or did I totally imagine that? [Post edited 23 Dec 2024 9:28]
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| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:49 - Dec 23 with 763 views | Dubtractor |
| I’m sure instructions from KM don’t include on 09:26 - Dec 23 by Kieran_Knows |
Am I the only one who saw on Saturday when the kick off went wrong, that Burns decided to run across the edge of the area to get back in to his position at right wing, only to leave the centre half free to walk out with the ball which then lead to the first goal?
Or did I totally imagine that? [Post edited 23 Dec 2024 9:28]
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Asa and Banksterdebtslave commented about this too, so you're not alone, but it does seem to have been ignored a little.
That opening goal was a car crash tbh. |  |
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