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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? 21:57 - Jan 3 with 1215 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Exactly what you voted for....nothing!

Edit...well apart from reviews and commissions.
https://www.localgov.co.uk/Social-care-likely-to-deteriorate-during-wait-for-rev
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 22:28 - Jan 3 with 1139 viewsOldsmoker

I'm asking myself "Can I last 5 more years for the next government to help"

Step Forward Nigel Farage - Oh cr*p.

Off to browse Viking funeral pyres.

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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 22:34 - Jan 3 with 1105 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 22:28 - Jan 3 by Oldsmoker

I'm asking myself "Can I last 5 more years for the next government to help"

Step Forward Nigel Farage - Oh cr*p.

Off to browse Viking funeral pyres.


Heads they win, tails you lose.

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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 22:44 - Jan 3 with 1087 viewsSwansea_Blue

It’s one of the largest challenges facing the UK, so it needs some time to get right. But does it need that much time?

I don’t know enough about it but am disappointed with what I’ve heard. If it was me and I was faced with the same challenge I wouldn’t kick all of it down the road. I’d look for some quick wins. There are enough experts around to do a quick and dirty temporary fix while they wait for the bells and whistles NCS, surely?

I’m not sure if they’re just incompetent or believe in nothing. I’ve not really thought about it, but you could well be right. With clearer values they wouldn’t be floundering around struggling to work out what to do and having 3 year reviews.

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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 08:28 - Jan 4 with 905 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 22:44 - Jan 3 by Swansea_Blue

It’s one of the largest challenges facing the UK, so it needs some time to get right. But does it need that much time?

I don’t know enough about it but am disappointed with what I’ve heard. If it was me and I was faced with the same challenge I wouldn’t kick all of it down the road. I’d look for some quick wins. There are enough experts around to do a quick and dirty temporary fix while they wait for the bells and whistles NCS, surely?

I’m not sure if they’re just incompetent or believe in nothing. I’ve not really thought about it, but you could well be right. With clearer values they wouldn’t be floundering around struggling to work out what to do and having 3 year reviews.


I guess the frustration is they’ve had so much time to plan for this stuff. We had a zombie government with no public support for ages - Labour were always a shoe-in.

To your point, the kicking it in to touch always leads to the suspicion that it won’t actually happen (like others they’ll leave the tough policies for someone else). Maybe the politics in my lifetime has just made me deeply cynical and I’m not giving them enough time/credit…
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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 08:31 - Jan 4 with 902 viewsChurchman

Commissions and Reviews? They’re just a kick the can down the road mechanism. They’re not interested, but think that announcing a review will make it seem like they are. A costly PR exercise.

As for whatever they come out with sometime whenever, the Waspi women fiasco tells us any recommendations be ignored anyway.

Social Care? I don’t think it should take anywhere near three years to identify what the problems are, what you want it to look like and produce a set of recommendations to improve it.

I agree with others in their scorn for our political options. I was golfing yesterday and one of the four is a missive Reform activist. He’s a very successful wealthy man, but came across as an utter c-womble. He will do well with the swivel eyed brigade.
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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 09:12 - Jan 4 with 831 viewsDanTheMan

When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 08:31 - Jan 4 by Churchman

Commissions and Reviews? They’re just a kick the can down the road mechanism. They’re not interested, but think that announcing a review will make it seem like they are. A costly PR exercise.

As for whatever they come out with sometime whenever, the Waspi women fiasco tells us any recommendations be ignored anyway.

Social Care? I don’t think it should take anywhere near three years to identify what the problems are, what you want it to look like and produce a set of recommendations to improve it.

I agree with others in their scorn for our political options. I was golfing yesterday and one of the four is a missive Reform activist. He’s a very successful wealthy man, but came across as an utter c-womble. He will do well with the swivel eyed brigade.
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I'll keep beating this drum but they're kicking the can down the road because actually paying for this would require monumentally more tax payers to fix the ever aging population.

It's either that or people have to pay for it themselves and last time that was suggested it was branded a dementia tax.

Politicians don't want to have a proper conversation about how to fix the demographics issue because all the options are not palatable.

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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 09:39 - Jan 4 with 764 viewsNthQldITFC

I've been trying to breathe and hold my fire and give them time to start to get brave and act, but... yes on the whole they seem to be a gutless huddle, more ruled more by the fear of losing power than empowered by the courage to enact real change and face down the selfish and stupid and suicidal, flabby consumer-growth-disposable-income-obsessed cretins whether they be corporate or selfish, brain dead consumer.

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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 09:44 - Jan 4 with 747 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 09:12 - Jan 4 by DanTheMan

I'll keep beating this drum but they're kicking the can down the road because actually paying for this would require monumentally more tax payers to fix the ever aging population.

It's either that or people have to pay for it themselves and last time that was suggested it was branded a dementia tax.

Politicians don't want to have a proper conversation about how to fix the demographics issue because all the options are not palatable.


I don’t disagree but surely only option is a social care levy/tax which is ringfenced. Bringing in ever more taxpayers, whom themselves will likely need care at some point in the future is only going to increase the scale of the issue. Or you bring in even more to pay for their care, which begins to look very much like a Ponzi scheme like the state pension.
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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 09:54 - Jan 4 with 710 viewsDanTheMan

When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 09:44 - Jan 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna

I don’t disagree but surely only option is a social care levy/tax which is ringfenced. Bringing in ever more taxpayers, whom themselves will likely need care at some point in the future is only going to increase the scale of the issue. Or you bring in even more to pay for their care, which begins to look very much like a Ponzi scheme like the state pension.


Agreed, raising taxes is one of the unpalatable options.

The issue is that our demographics are getting skewed too fast, so you'd either need to keep immigration high (which people don't like overall) or encourage enough people to have children to keep the population stable. Right now, we're nowhere near the replacement rate.

Just to be clear, I'm not espousing Musk et. al pro-natalism stance that we're running out of people in the world but certain countries including ourselves are going to really start having issues in the next few decades with this.

Back on topic though, I've seen that the report has a mid-point release in 2026 that should have some medium term fixes suggested with the 2028 final report having the long term stuff. So not as bad as I thought when I read the headline.

For anyone interested, video on this topic

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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 11:52 - Jan 4 with 599 viewsfactual_blue

When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 08:28 - Jan 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna

I guess the frustration is they’ve had so much time to plan for this stuff. We had a zombie government with no public support for ages - Labour were always a shoe-in.

To your point, the kicking it in to touch always leads to the suspicion that it won’t actually happen (like others they’ll leave the tough policies for someone else). Maybe the politics in my lifetime has just made me deeply cynical and I’m not giving them enough time/credit…


The trouble is that you can plan all you like, but until you have all information available to governments, you are - to a greater or lesser extent - fumbling around in the dark.

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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 11:54 - Jan 4 with 590 viewsEwan_Oozami

When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 09:54 - Jan 4 by DanTheMan

Agreed, raising taxes is one of the unpalatable options.

The issue is that our demographics are getting skewed too fast, so you'd either need to keep immigration high (which people don't like overall) or encourage enough people to have children to keep the population stable. Right now, we're nowhere near the replacement rate.

Just to be clear, I'm not espousing Musk et. al pro-natalism stance that we're running out of people in the world but certain countries including ourselves are going to really start having issues in the next few decades with this.

Back on topic though, I've seen that the report has a mid-point release in 2026 that should have some medium term fixes suggested with the 2028 final report having the long term stuff. So not as bad as I thought when I read the headline.

For anyone interested, video on this topic

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When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 11:56 - Jan 4 with 576 viewsDanTheMan

When you vote for politicians that believe in nothing, guess what you get? on 11:54 - Jan 4 by Ewan_Oozami

Anyone who posts a Tom Nicholas video deserves at least one uppie.....


He's great, isn't he? Have you watched his documentary?

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