| Ashton, Werhun & Probert 20:58 - Feb 1 with 6331 views | itfcsuth |
and of course McKenna must take his share of responsibility in identifying players.
But we have looked like amateurs amongst the big boys in the transfer market.
Significant lack of quality, due diligence done, overpriced transfer fees and long terms contracts. Had our pants pulled down left right and centre.
You live and die by your recruitment, and it doesn’t need a huge over analyse as to why we will likely fall short of safety. |  | | |  |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:02 - Feb 1 with 4745 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
I agree the recruitment has been poor, it seemed illogical to bring in that many Championship players for that sort of money. We’d finished streets ahead of Hull, Sunderland, Blackburn and co. and that’s where we recruited from alongside Burnley, who were absolutely dire in the Premier League. We could have kept what we had and got away with bringing in just Delap, Hutch and Cajuste and we’d probably have the same amount of points we have now. |  |
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| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:07 - Feb 1 with 4665 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Our recruitment strategy is as dated as the title 'data dashboard'.
We seem to just buy well known young players, at very, very full prices. |  |
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| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:09 - Feb 1 with 4625 views | textbackup |
We’ve a done a Norwich many moons back ‘buy good champ players’
And it’s failed, badly |  |
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| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:15 - Feb 1 with 4506 views | davblue |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:07 - Feb 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Our recruitment strategy is as dated as the title 'data dashboard'.
We seem to just buy well known young players, at very, very full prices. |
Think there’s an element that the club is still catching up in areas.
Think it’s easy to write these players off at this Moment in time because of where we are but the time to judge our business will be in 18 months time with a longer term hat on.
We’ve lost connections and a spirit with the new players coming in currently and we may never get the connections back that we had but as long as we are in a better shape as a club, than when we went up I will be ok with that. |  | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:20 - Feb 1 with 4421 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:15 - Feb 1 by davblue |
Think there’s an element that the club is still catching up in areas.
Think it’s easy to write these players off at this Moment in time because of where we are but the time to judge our business will be in 18 months time with a longer term hat on.
We’ve lost connections and a spirit with the new players coming in currently and we may never get the connections back that we had but as long as we are in a better shape as a club, than when we went up I will be ok with that. |
I think they'll be good in the Champ, but I'm not sure there's much profit on the prices we've paid, aside from Delap (buyback speculation aside).
I guess we suffer from a lack of overseas scouting knowledge. | |
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| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:20 - Feb 1 with 4418 views | itfc1108 |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:15 - Feb 1 by davblue |
Think there’s an element that the club is still catching up in areas.
Think it’s easy to write these players off at this Moment in time because of where we are but the time to judge our business will be in 18 months time with a longer term hat on.
We’ve lost connections and a spirit with the new players coming in currently and we may never get the connections back that we had but as long as we are in a better shape as a club, than when we went up I will be ok with that. |
Those connections and spirit with the players, is more important to me than striving to finish 17th in the premier league.
Give me a Kayden Jackson, JD, Mass, Chaplin, Woolfy etc any day over many of our new players. [Post edited 1 Feb 21:21]
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| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:23 - Feb 1 with 4328 views | davblue |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:20 - Feb 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think they'll be good in the Champ, but I'm not sure there's much profit on the prices we've paid, aside from Delap (buyback speculation aside).
I guess we suffer from a lack of overseas scouting knowledge. |
Think we have the basis of a very good team in the championship. Midfield will need surgery whatever league we are in as well as a keeper before departures. | | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:27 - Feb 1 with 4286 views | davblue |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:20 - Feb 1 by itfc1108 |
Those connections and spirit with the players, is more important to me than striving to finish 17th in the premier league.
Give me a Kayden Jackson, JD, Mass, Chaplin, Woolfy etc any day over many of our new players. [Post edited 1 Feb 21:21]
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Things change unfortunately not many would have wanted that team broken up. The premier league is the premier league. | | | |
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| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:42 - Feb 1 with 4131 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:23 - Feb 1 by davblue |
Think we have the basis of a very good team in the championship. Midfield will need surgery whatever league we are in as well as a keeper before departures. |
We bloody better have a good Champ team for the money spent!! [Post edited 1 Feb 21:43]
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| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:50 - Feb 1 with 4043 views | itfcsuth |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:02 - Feb 1 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
I agree the recruitment has been poor, it seemed illogical to bring in that many Championship players for that sort of money. We’d finished streets ahead of Hull, Sunderland, Blackburn and co. and that’s where we recruited from alongside Burnley, who were absolutely dire in the Premier League. We could have kept what we had and got away with bringing in just Delap, Hutch and Cajuste and we’d probably have the same amount of points we have now. |
O’Shea, Delap and Cajuste - the only players who you think can operate at this level we’ve bought in, and I suspect Enciso will fall into that category as well, he looked sharp.
But beyond that, with the recruitment bought in, it’s been really poor. [Post edited 1 Feb 21:51]
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| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:57 - Feb 1 with 3984 views | itfcsuth |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:27 - Feb 1 by davblue |
Things change unfortunately not many would have wanted that team broken up. The premier league is the premier league. |
We had the change that squad up to evolve and improve in to the PL.
The problem is we haven’t improved on that squad, we’ve just replaced them like for like with other Championship players.
All whilst costing us £150m. | | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:57 - Feb 1 with 3978 views | Stewart27 |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:42 - Feb 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
We bloody better have a good Champ team for the money spent!! [Post edited 1 Feb 21:43]
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Relax dude. | | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 22:29 - Feb 1 with 3791 views | itfcsuth |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:15 - Feb 1 by davblue |
Think there’s an element that the club is still catching up in areas.
Think it’s easy to write these players off at this Moment in time because of where we are but the time to judge our business will be in 18 months time with a longer term hat on.
We’ve lost connections and a spirit with the new players coming in currently and we may never get the connections back that we had but as long as we are in a better shape as a club, than when we went up I will be ok with that. |
The reality is it doesn’t take a high level recruitment programme to scan the continental market with the endless amounts of software and data available - clubs are scoping the continents down in the Championship.
We were well aware throughout last season PL was a distinct possibility and had ample opportunity to get our house in order.
Feels like a lazy excuse for poor recruitment. | | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 22:34 - Feb 1 with 3730 views | Blue_Heath |
Totally agree with OP but realistically what experienced prem players could we have got? We spent too much on same positions should have gone for less players but better quality. Other than Delap and perhaps O'Shea the rest have plummeted in value. | | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 22:51 - Feb 1 with 3642 views | davblue |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 22:29 - Feb 1 by itfcsuth |
The reality is it doesn’t take a high level recruitment programme to scan the continental market with the endless amounts of software and data available - clubs are scoping the continents down in the Championship.
We were well aware throughout last season PL was a distinct possibility and had ample opportunity to get our house in order.
Feels like a lazy excuse for poor recruitment. |
It’s all really easy when you put it like that…
I’m sure your high level of expertise in that area is wasted in whatever day job you currently do.
We all know the club was run down in all areas, so it’s not much of a leap to suggest that we’ve been left behind in the scouting arena and there would be work to do there.
Could we have utilised the foreign market more, yeah I’m sure we could have have done, but that is no guarantee, look at what Norwich done, got a load of foreign guys for half the price and I can’t recall many of them being a success.
As I said I don’t think we can fully judge whether there has been poor recruitment until further down the line. For this year it’s easy to say it’s been poor but these are a younger group who could grow with us rather than a group of older players.
Did we expect to stay up this year, for me me no, I hoped we would but that’s all. | | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 22:57 - Feb 1 with 3587 views | davblue |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:57 - Feb 1 by itfcsuth |
We had the change that squad up to evolve and improve in to the PL.
The problem is we haven’t improved on that squad, we’ve just replaced them like for like with other Championship players.
All whilst costing us £150m. |
That’s rubbish.
You are telling me if you were offered those players we have got in on paper vs last years squad you would have said no to the majority of them? Come on be realistic.
Whilst they might not have the same connections as the squad from Last year, this squad has been together for 5/6 months so far and is being put together in a incredibly hard environment. | | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 23:04 - Feb 1 with 3537 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 22:34 - Feb 1 by Blue_Heath |
Totally agree with OP but realistically what experienced prem players could we have got? We spent too much on same positions should have gone for less players but better quality. Other than Delap and perhaps O'Shea the rest have plummeted in value. |
This.
I think some fans have a very blue-tinted spectacled idea of how attractive we are as a team to these PL quality players.
There weren't exactly queues of players lining up to join us. Reality bites. |  | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 01:24 - Feb 2 with 3315 views | Ryorry |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:20 - Feb 1 by itfc1108 |
Those connections and spirit with the players, is more important to me than striving to finish 17th in the premier league.
Give me a Kayden Jackson, JD, Mass, Chaplin, Woolfy etc any day over many of our new players. [Post edited 1 Feb 21:21]
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That team was so feelgood and such fun to follow - felt like KM, players and us fans were one big band of brothers and sisters; not surprising we’re missing it.
Think it’s hugely unfair to heap blame on MA, KM and recruitment team though. Only a few months ago, the critics were heaping praise on them! I have no doubt whatsoever that they’ve been working furiously overtime to try and get suitable deals done, but the odds are stacked against us in terms of availability, who’s able/willing to come here that we could afford + stay within Prem fiscal rules.
They were able to be recruitment magicians in the Championship and L1, but we just don’t have the same clout in the Prem, and that’s not for the lack of their trying. And as far as strategy goes, MA and recruitment team didn’t have the benefit of hindsight last summer that some of their armchair critics are employing now! |  |
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| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 06:49 - Feb 2 with 3085 views | MVBlue |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 01:24 - Feb 2 by Ryorry |
That team was so feelgood and such fun to follow - felt like KM, players and us fans were one big band of brothers and sisters; not surprising we’re missing it.
Think it’s hugely unfair to heap blame on MA, KM and recruitment team though. Only a few months ago, the critics were heaping praise on them! I have no doubt whatsoever that they’ve been working furiously overtime to try and get suitable deals done, but the odds are stacked against us in terms of availability, who’s able/willing to come here that we could afford + stay within Prem fiscal rules.
They were able to be recruitment magicians in the Championship and L1, but we just don’t have the same clout in the Prem, and that’s not for the lack of their trying. And as far as strategy goes, MA and recruitment team didn’t have the benefit of hindsight last summer that some of their armchair critics are employing now! |
Why have we bought Philogene?
Yes we had a squad of battlers. They were with the fans. |  |
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| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 07:28 - Feb 2 with 2946 views | smithy69 |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:50 - Feb 1 by itfcsuth |
O’Shea, Delap and Cajuste - the only players who you think can operate at this level we’ve bought in, and I suspect Enciso will fall into that category as well, he looked sharp.
But beyond that, with the recruitment bought in, it’s been really poor. [Post edited 1 Feb 21:51]
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Imagine writing of players who are 20 - who have played less than 10 games in the premier league
I remember when people said harry kane was the worst player in the world and league 2 standard. With experience comes performances and growth . Writing off England under 21 players after such little time - is ridiculous
Some of our fanbase are just thick | | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 07:52 - Feb 2 with 2844 views | PrideOfTheEast |
We’ve clearly got the goalkeeper wrong, and as lots have been saying since August our lack of support for Delap up top is a miss. Phillips has also been very disappointing.
I think it’s Muric and Phillips that stand out as not having worked. GK was always going to be fundamental and I suppose Phillips was our attempt at getting a seasoned premier league CM but he’s not really delivered has he. Cajuste was great yesterday I thought. | | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 09:48 - Feb 2 with 2671 views | Markp68 |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 21:20 - Feb 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think they'll be good in the Champ, but I'm not sure there's much profit on the prices we've paid, aside from Delap (buyback speculation aside).
I guess we suffer from a lack of overseas scouting knowledge. |
I think your final sentence is absolutely the issue. We all know that during the Marcus Evans era every part of the club was run down and that includes our scouting network; I believe the overseas scouts were virtually non-existent by the time Gamechanger took over. These things can’t just be rebuilt overnight and we have undoubtedly been severely hampered by our lack of overseas knowledge.
Therefore we’ve shopped in markets we know and brought in players that are mostly young but untested at the highest level. I don’t think any (bar Muric I’m sorry to say) are poor buys or sh@t players but they were always likely to find the step up extremely difficult.
Yes, yesterday was a rather painful kick to the testicles and yes I believe we will ultimately go down but I also believe that MA, KM et al were looking beyond this season and I’m sure feel that these players would be well placed to take us straight back up again.
No doubt some will call me naive etc etc but I just can’t buy into all the overly dramatic stuff II’ve read on here today about KM being out of his depth, a major clear out needed etc,staying up was always likely to be beyond us but whilst we still have a chance I will not give up and regardless of the outcome I remain optimistic that our great club is in a far healthier position than I thought possible just a few short years ago. Maybe I feel like this because I’ve supported us for 50+ years and seen it all before, the ups and downs.
Its called being a supporter | | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 09:56 - Feb 2 with 2629 views | ITFCBlues |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 07:28 - Feb 2 by smithy69 |
Imagine writing of players who are 20 - who have played less than 10 games in the premier league
I remember when people said harry kane was the worst player in the world and league 2 standard. With experience comes performances and growth . Writing off England under 21 players after such little time - is ridiculous
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Exactly this!
We have quite clearly improved the squad from where we were last season, but the jump is massive. |  |
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| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 09:59 - Feb 2 with 2614 views | WubbleU |
Which Ashton is to blame for the recruitment... the boss or his son in the analyst team?? Nepotism is rarely good. | | | |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 10:01 - Feb 2 with 2594 views | Reuser_is_God |
| Ashton, Werhun & Probert on 07:52 - Feb 2 by PrideOfTheEast |
We’ve clearly got the goalkeeper wrong, and as lots have been saying since August our lack of support for Delap up top is a miss. Phillips has also been very disappointing.
I think it’s Muric and Phillips that stand out as not having worked. GK was always going to be fundamental and I suppose Phillips was our attempt at getting a seasoned premier league CM but he’s not really delivered has he. Cajuste was great yesterday I thought. |
As good as Cajuste is I find the fact he still cant play more than 60 minutes a bit pathetic really. |  |
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