| Lack of Premier league experienced signings 15:27 - Feb 3 with 3434 views | Mckenna1263 |
When you compare our signings over the summer and the current window we have gone with young unproven and largely Championship players compared to the clubs above us. Is this a reflection of our limited finances and inexperience or more down to ineptitude and wrong approach? |  | | |  |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 15:32 - Feb 3 with 2893 views | positivity |
a number of things:-
-limited finance
-ffp
-who we can attract (as a newly promoted club who were in league one, 2 years ago)
-protecting the club's future (players like delap and hutch are likely to have a higher sell-on value than a casemiro)
-allowing for the odds-on possibility that we wouldn't stay up
-lack of an international scouting network (due to marcus evans and being in league one)
-etc etc | |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 15:33 - Feb 3 with 2874 views | BseaBlue |
Finances. Not neccesarily the money for fees but more wages I would imagine. |  | | |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 15:34 - Feb 3 with 2869 views | gainsboroughblue |
Outside of Suffolk, we are nailed on for relegation and even inside Suffolk, a lot of people are resigned to it. This window was always going to be difficult to attract a certain type of player. Another reason why that result on Saturday was an absolute disaster show. |  |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 15:37 - Feb 3 with 2819 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
The thing is, I wouldn't have minded if we signed the "Championship" players if we hadn't spent what we had on them. We paid way over the odds for what we had, and let us remember, we finished above Hull, Sunderland, and Blackburn last season where we got these players from. Why would players who couldn't win promotion in the Championship be suddenly good enough to supplement a squad recruited while we were in League One and in the Championship, in the Premier League? Burnley, where we recruited from, were also miles off the standard at this level last season. Even Hutchinson really only had Championship experience and he wasn't the finished article last season either.
Delap and Cujste have been superb, but the rest are not any better than what we have here, and that's been the biggest issue with the signings, now if we go straight back up that's fine, but we can't recruit like this again if we're serious about staying up, otherwise we'll end up like Norwich. In fact, we could have learned a lot from their mistakes on this one. |  |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 15:54 - Feb 3 with 2692 views | Garv |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 15:37 - Feb 3 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
The thing is, I wouldn't have minded if we signed the "Championship" players if we hadn't spent what we had on them. We paid way over the odds for what we had, and let us remember, we finished above Hull, Sunderland, and Blackburn last season where we got these players from. Why would players who couldn't win promotion in the Championship be suddenly good enough to supplement a squad recruited while we were in League One and in the Championship, in the Premier League? Burnley, where we recruited from, were also miles off the standard at this level last season. Even Hutchinson really only had Championship experience and he wasn't the finished article last season either.
Delap and Cujste have been superb, but the rest are not any better than what we have here, and that's been the biggest issue with the signings, now if we go straight back up that's fine, but we can't recruit like this again if we're serious about staying up, otherwise we'll end up like Norwich. In fact, we could have learned a lot from their mistakes on this one. |
I know it's a small thing to pick up on from that post but it's something that's confused me a little over the course of the season...
Has Cajuste really been 'superb'? |  |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 16:17 - Feb 3 with 2534 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 15:54 - Feb 3 by Garv |
I know it's a small thing to pick up on from that post but it's something that's confused me a little over the course of the season...
Has Cajuste really been 'superb'? |
He's been better than Morsy, Phillips, and Taylor by some distance. | |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 16:25 - Feb 3 with 2490 views | bazza |
Where are all of these premier league experienced players? Is it like toys r us, where you just go pick them off a shelf? .. this argument is moronic, any clubs with decent premier league experienced players are not going to let them go.. you either take a risk on young inexperienced players or old donkeys. 2 seasons of getting it right and one, which isn’t even finished and we are still in with a sniff and everyone has lost their minds, get some perspective. |  | | |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 16:45 - Feb 3 with 2425 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 16:25 - Feb 3 by bazza |
Where are all of these premier league experienced players? Is it like toys r us, where you just go pick them off a shelf? .. this argument is moronic, any clubs with decent premier league experienced players are not going to let them go.. you either take a risk on young inexperienced players or old donkeys. 2 seasons of getting it right and one, which isn’t even finished and we are still in with a sniff and everyone has lost their minds, get some perspective. |
Luton got fairly lucky last year with Ross Barkley.
Bags of Premier League experience and a real difference maker.
They dont come around often unfortunately. |  |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 16:56 - Feb 3 with 2361 views | ITFCSG |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 16:25 - Feb 3 by bazza |
Where are all of these premier league experienced players? Is it like toys r us, where you just go pick them off a shelf? .. this argument is moronic, any clubs with decent premier league experienced players are not going to let them go.. you either take a risk on young inexperienced players or old donkeys. 2 seasons of getting it right and one, which isn’t even finished and we are still in with a sniff and everyone has lost their minds, get some perspective. |
They are everywhere outside of Britain, in the Bundesliga, Eredivisie, Ligue 1, La Liga, Serie A, Brasileiro Série A, J-League , K-League 1 etc. but we don't have the international scouting network to get talents from these leagues in.
We must be the only Prem club to exclusively recruit players who are British, and/or from a British club | | | |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:03 - Feb 3 with 2313 views | gringoblue |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 16:45 - Feb 3 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Luton got fairly lucky last year with Ross Barkley.
Bags of Premier League experience and a real difference maker.
They dont come around often unfortunately. |
exactly what we tried to do with Phillips, albeit a different style of midfielder, but it hasn't had the desired effect, so far. |  | | |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:05 - Feb 3 with 2302 views | gringoblue |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 16:56 - Feb 3 by ITFCSG |
They are everywhere outside of Britain, in the Bundesliga, Eredivisie, Ligue 1, La Liga, Serie A, Brasileiro Série A, J-League , K-League 1 etc. but we don't have the international scouting network to get talents from these leagues in.
We must be the only Prem club to exclusively recruit players who are British, and/or from a British club |
point of order, not exclusively as Cajuste came from Napoli and is Swedish. | | | |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:05 - Feb 3 with 2299 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:03 - Feb 3 by gringoblue |
exactly what we tried to do with Phillips, albeit a different style of midfielder, but it hasn't had the desired effect, so far. |
Yeah, but in reality KP doesnt have that much prem experience for his age, and isnt as creative / dynamic as RB.
I would give KP a good run of games though. | |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:07 - Feb 3 with 2285 views | Leaky |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 15:37 - Feb 3 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
The thing is, I wouldn't have minded if we signed the "Championship" players if we hadn't spent what we had on them. We paid way over the odds for what we had, and let us remember, we finished above Hull, Sunderland, and Blackburn last season where we got these players from. Why would players who couldn't win promotion in the Championship be suddenly good enough to supplement a squad recruited while we were in League One and in the Championship, in the Premier League? Burnley, where we recruited from, were also miles off the standard at this level last season. Even Hutchinson really only had Championship experience and he wasn't the finished article last season either.
Delap and Cujste have been superb, but the rest are not any better than what we have here, and that's been the biggest issue with the signings, now if we go straight back up that's fine, but we can't recruit like this again if we're serious about staying up, otherwise we'll end up like Norwich. In fact, we could have learned a lot from their mistakes on this one. |
If we had stayed in the championship last season, and who evet replaced us in the EPL had come after Lief Davis would have wanted top dollar for him, same for everyone |  | | |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:19 - Feb 3 with 2222 views | ibbleobble |
Its an acknowledgement that relegation at the start of the season was a real prospect ad we're planning to combat being a yo-yo club with the least friction / time possible. | | | |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:22 - Feb 3 with 2199 views | Herbivore |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 16:56 - Feb 3 by ITFCSG |
They are everywhere outside of Britain, in the Bundesliga, Eredivisie, Ligue 1, La Liga, Serie A, Brasileiro Série A, J-League , K-League 1 etc. but we don't have the international scouting network to get talents from these leagues in.
We must be the only Prem club to exclusively recruit players who are British, and/or from a British club |
There aren't very many Premier League experienced players plying their trade in the leagues you list. I'm sure there are some very good players in those leagues, but not Prem experienced ones. |  |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:29 - Feb 3 with 2159 views | itfc48 |
It's harder than ever to get Premier League experience. Since the introduction of the 5 subs coupled with more intense games, the established teams are letting a lot less players out than they used to.
It also seems that players are more accepting that they won't play every game. In years go by some would have been banging down the door for a move if they didn't start every game. | | | |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:30 - Feb 3 with 2153 views | ITFCSG |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:22 - Feb 3 by Herbivore |
There aren't very many Premier League experienced players plying their trade in the leagues you list. I'm sure there are some very good players in those leagues, but not Prem experienced ones. |
They may not have played in the Prem per se but have ample experience playing in a high level top flight with and against similar highly skilled players. Hence are more likely to "plug and play", are more streetwise and perform facing the rigours of the Prem vs U21 youngsters and top EFL players with little or no Prem experience | | | |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:36 - Feb 3 with 2095 views | Herbivore |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:30 - Feb 3 by ITFCSG |
They may not have played in the Prem per se but have ample experience playing in a high level top flight with and against similar highly skilled players. Hence are more likely to "plug and play", are more streetwise and perform facing the rigours of the Prem vs U21 youngsters and top EFL players with little or no Prem experience |
A number of the leagues you mentioned are, in terms of overall quality, closer to the Championship than the Prem. Overseas signings often take a bit of bedding in, only the very best are generally ready to 'plug and play' and those players tend to have better suitors than newly promoted Ipswich. Burnley used the overseas market a lot more than us last season and faired no better. | |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 17:42 - Feb 3 with 2034 views | MK1 |
People seem to be repeating what I have been saying all season. |  | | |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 20:40 - Feb 4 with 1686 views | Garv |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 16:17 - Feb 3 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
He's been better than Morsy, Phillips, and Taylor by some distance. |
I think Morsy has had some very good games earlier in the season so I wouldn't agree he's been better by some distance. Morsy has also at least cored a goal and assisted one which I don't think Cajuste has done.
He's had moments where you think he's brilliant, but I'm not sure many of his moments have actually led to much and if his clever half turn move doesn't come off he can look a bit limited. | |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 20:48 - Feb 4 with 1651 views | DarkBrandon |
Muric
Johnson
O’Shea
Phillips
It isn’t a lot, but it isn’t none. The trouble is - for whatever reasons - some of them haven’t reached the levels we’d hoped. |  | | |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 21:17 - Feb 4 with 1556 views | gmanrom |
I guess we will find if he is a premier league standard player next season, but how we didn't go after Tanaka in the Summer is beyond me. I could see after half hour he was better then anything we had in our midfield. |  |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 21:45 - Feb 4 with 1495 views | FrimleyBlue |
When I look at it from two different views it really changes how to feel about the transfer activity.
If you base it on spending what you can with a short term stay up view. It wasn't good. We didn't bring in those signings.
But looking at it from a 2-3 year view point instead and it's a very good use of a prem season which wasn't expected and puts us in a good position regardless of league we are in or who the manager is next season etc etc.
Looking at the squad and most likely to remain with us regardless of league.
Palmer. Muric. Walton
Townsend
Johnson. Clarke. Wolfenden. Oshea. Greaves. Burgess. Baggott.
Morsy. Taylor. Luongo. Humphreys.
Hutchinson. Philogene. Ogbene. Burns. Chaplin. Broadhead
Hirst. Al hamadi.
Most likely we will lose delap and Davis. So remainder of that squad is champ ready without a doubt but if we do mange to stay up. Its a solid foundation to then bring in some more experienced players.
But let's say we do go down. We have a young squad with talent with just the midfield to sort and a striker. With parachute payments and the fees of delap and Davis.
I don't think we will lose any other signings. Of course we say goodbye to cajuste and Phillips. ( maybe cajuste can be purchased regardless of league.. I dunno.
I haven't included axel only because I thought he'd have signed a new deal by now if he was staying. ( not sure if we have an option on another year?)
But all in all really. Its been sensible recruitment. Other than not getting that third striker in the summer. |  |
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| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 00:09 - Feb 5 with 1314 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Lack of Premier league experienced signings on 15:54 - Feb 3 by Garv |
I know it's a small thing to pick up on from that post but it's something that's confused me a little over the course of the season...
Has Cajuste really been 'superb'? |
He's been the best of our midfield options by a long way. Frustrating that he cannot manage 90 minutes though.
Morsy has got us promoted to above his own ability - and that happens in most promoted teams, some players can't make the step up.
Phillips has been disappointing, nothing like the player at Leeds and in the England squad. | | | |
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