| 7th highest transfer spend this season 22:24 - Feb 4 with 5176 views | Illinoisblue |
We may not have always spent well, but we’ve definitely spent.
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 22:31 - Feb 4 with 3781 views | Horsham |
Of course it’s a big number but if you compare the last 5 years spending of all the current Premier League team I’d expect ours to be lowest by a fair margin. |  | | |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 22:54 - Feb 4 with 3656 views | positivity |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 22:31 - Feb 4 by Horsham |
Of course it’s a big number but if you compare the last 5 years spending of all the current Premier League team I’d expect ours to be lowest by a fair margin. |
especially considering we were building on top of a mid-table league one side 5 years ago, that same season leicester and soton were 5th and 11th in the prem!
be interested to see a player's wage bill comparison too... |  |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 22:56 - Feb 4 with 3661 views | Yppswyche |
Would be interesting to see what percentage of their PSR headroom each team spent up to. |  | | |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 23:05 - Feb 4 with 3627 views | Illinoisblue |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 22:56 - Feb 4 by Yppswyche |
Would be interesting to see what percentage of their PSR headroom each team spent up to. |
It seems wannabes such as Villa and Newcastle can’t spend anything while Man City can do as they please. Maybe one day those 115 charges will be dealt with. | |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 23:10 - Feb 4 with 3577 views | positivity |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 23:05 - Feb 4 by Illinoisblue |
It seems wannabes such as Villa and Newcastle can’t spend anything while Man City can do as they please. Maybe one day those 115 charges will be dealt with. |
maybe, but they can concentrate on leicester first! | |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 23:17 - Feb 4 with 3542 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 23:05 - Feb 4 by Illinoisblue |
It seems wannabes such as Villa and Newcastle can’t spend anything while Man City can do as they please. Maybe one day those 115 charges will be dealt with. |
You clearly don't understand the PSR rules.
Or are pretending not to. |  |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 04:51 - Feb 5 with 3280 views | RIPbobby |
I think even though some have not fired straight away there are still some solid saleable assets. Most have good age and potential. All purchases have bought us closer to prem standard. |  | | |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 06:35 - Feb 5 with 3205 views | Blue_Heath |
Hence my post about transfers.
I am obviously not expecting to finish 7th but given the amount spent we surely need to review what we have done and learn from it moving forwards?
As I said fair play to gamechanger, they are stumping up the cash. | | | |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 07:04 - Feb 5 with 3140 views | textbackup |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 06:35 - Feb 5 by Blue_Heath |
Hence my post about transfers.
I am obviously not expecting to finish 7th but given the amount spent we surely need to review what we have done and learn from it moving forwards?
As I said fair play to gamechanger, they are stumping up the cash. |
We’ll never hear the ins and outs of it, obviously (as it’s not a good news story) but I’d love to here why we thought buying 9 stone, confidence kids, was a good idea when playing against elite athletes. |  |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 07:23 - Feb 5 with 3105 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 07:04 - Feb 5 by textbackup |
We’ll never hear the ins and outs of it, obviously (as it’s not a good news story) but I’d love to here why we thought buying 9 stone, confidence kids, was a good idea when playing against elite athletes. |
Here, here. |  |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 08:07 - Feb 5 with 3012 views | TractorJack |
And still with the lowest squad value according to Transfermarkt |  | | |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 08:16 - Feb 5 with 2975 views | Libero |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 07:04 - Feb 5 by textbackup |
We’ll never hear the ins and outs of it, obviously (as it’s not a good news story) but I’d love to here why we thought buying 9 stone, confidence kids, was a good idea when playing against elite athletes. |
I feel like the one consistent through all our signings (with the exception of maybe Kalvin Phillips) is that they all hold strengths in certain attributes that make them potentially useful, but they *all* require work and coaching, something that McKenna is comfortable with due to his background in Academy football.
When developing players they all improve at different rates, we don't *really* have that luxury now, although had we had a little luck during the season that could be quite different.
I feel we've overspent on a couple of players, but the recruitment itself has been pretty solid. Players who hold strong attributes, who all have the potential to improve and a good potential re-sale value.
I do think we could have done with a bit more Premier League experience in amongst that too, but as I said, had we enjoyed a little bit of luck this season at points, we could be marveling at how McKenna's squad of mostly Premier League inexperienced players had us in X, Y place.
I don't believe there's too much wrong with the recruitment, although I think the chap who was previously in charge of recruitment and would have played a part in identifying most if not all of these targets left us at the start of the season? |  | | |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 08:24 - Feb 5 with 2934 views | Vic |
Kind of what I’d expect for a team going up from where we were and determined to give it their best shot. |  |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 08:28 - Feb 5 with 2923 views | Libero |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 08:24 - Feb 5 by Vic |
Kind of what I’d expect for a team going up from where we were and determined to give it their best shot. |
Indeed, and a team that required investment rapidly in a way that the other promoted clubs didn't, to ensure it was capable of even potentially competing due to successive promotions and there being a number of players who were solid pros in League One/Championship but not suitable for the Premier League.
Whatever people's opinion is of the recruitment itself, Mark Ashton said he'd be "pushing" the PSR to the limit and I believe he has. | | | |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:00 - Feb 5 with 2830 views | textbackup |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 08:16 - Feb 5 by Libero |
I feel like the one consistent through all our signings (with the exception of maybe Kalvin Phillips) is that they all hold strengths in certain attributes that make them potentially useful, but they *all* require work and coaching, something that McKenna is comfortable with due to his background in Academy football.
When developing players they all improve at different rates, we don't *really* have that luxury now, although had we had a little luck during the season that could be quite different.
I feel we've overspent on a couple of players, but the recruitment itself has been pretty solid. Players who hold strong attributes, who all have the potential to improve and a good potential re-sale value.
I do think we could have done with a bit more Premier League experience in amongst that too, but as I said, had we enjoyed a little bit of luck this season at points, we could be marveling at how McKenna's squad of mostly Premier League inexperienced players had us in X, Y place.
I don't believe there's too much wrong with the recruitment, although I think the chap who was previously in charge of recruitment and would have played a part in identifying most if not all of these targets left us at the start of the season? |
Yeah some good/valid points in there.
I’m sure they will come good, under this manager, or the next (whoever that maybe be, and whatever league!) | |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:05 - Feb 5 with 2808 views | Libero |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:00 - Feb 5 by textbackup |
Yeah some good/valid points in there.
I’m sure they will come good, under this manager, or the next (whoever that maybe be, and whatever league!) |
I know we're all really gutted at, barring an incredible escape, what looks like an inevitable relegation and the manner of it, but I do think it's worth remembering what a strong position we're in as a club right now and how the owners/Ashton & co have consistently delivered what they have promised.
If/when we do go down I'm confident we won't be waiting another 20+ years for Premier League football again.
...that being said, it's perfectly valid to be p1ssed off with how it's gone IMO.
I'm still not over being robbed against Leicester at home, let alone Aro 'popadom wrists' Muric's unbelievable list of calamities. [Post edited 5 Feb 9:07]
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:37 - Feb 5 with 2705 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
Evertons spending may be the best bang for buck given that they are nailed on to stay up again and they were absolutely dire last season too! |  |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:38 - Feb 5 with 2695 views | blueasfook |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:37 - Feb 5 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
Evertons spending may be the best bang for buck given that they are nailed on to stay up again and they were absolutely dire last season too! |
I'd say Liverpool's is even better. Lowest spenders in the league and looking likely to be champions. (Although they had a decent team already to be fair). |  |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:40 - Feb 5 with 2675 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:38 - Feb 5 by blueasfook |
I'd say Liverpool's is even better. Lowest spenders in the league and looking likely to be champions. (Although they had a decent team already to be fair). |
Liverpool had a good mix of stars and good youngsters before the season started, they didn't have to spend much, just having a good manager with a new approach was enough to freshen them up to be contenders, massively helped by some key injuries and form drops at City might I add!
Everton however has had a bad side for the top flight for a few years now, to spend so little and stay up with ease has to be the best business anyone has done this season. The fact they rolled us over comfortably at our place, having spent so little, shows how hard it is for a new club to stay up now. [Post edited 5 Feb 9:42]
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:51 - Feb 5 with 2600 views | baxterbasics |
Repeating what I said in an earlier post - we aren't comparing apples with apples here.
We had to build from scratch, on a base of almost zero in terms of PL quality and experience.
Even Leicester and Southampton had, on paper, more valuable squads with PL leftovers.
So yes we will have spent more than some high-performing teams. But they were already strong. We had to spend big just to have a shot at competing, and it's no scandal that we are struggling still.
Total squad value, or maybe wage bill, would be a better table to look at. |  |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 11:14 - Feb 5 with 2436 views | Sharkey |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:37 - Feb 5 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
Evertons spending may be the best bang for buck given that they are nailed on to stay up again and they were absolutely dire last season too! |
It's a bit harsh to say Everton were 'dire ' last season. Won 13, drew 9, exactly the same as Bournemouth. Not great perhaps, but not really 'dire'. The bottom 3 got 14 wins between them. |  | | |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 11:18 - Feb 5 with 2427 views | ElderGrizzly |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 22:31 - Feb 4 by Horsham |
Of course it’s a big number but if you compare the last 5 years spending of all the current Premier League team I’d expect ours to be lowest by a fair margin. |
Agree. Compare us to Brighton who have basically done what we have done but for 7 years and you see the challenge we have.
Yes, they've recouped a lot too, but they have built on and improved their squad for a significant period with oodles of PL money.
Same, but to a lesser degree have Leicester and Southampton given their stays in the PL until last season.
We are playing catch-up and were always going to need to spend and if we stay up, do it again. And again. And again. Just to keep treading water. |  | | |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 11:21 - Feb 5 with 2407 views | ElderGrizzly |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:38 - Feb 5 by blueasfook |
I'd say Liverpool's is even better. Lowest spenders in the league and looking likely to be champions. (Although they had a decent team already to be fair). |
Sure i'd read Kevin Maguire saying Liverpool were right up against PSR limits after years of spending under Klopp, so didn't have much choice this season without selling first.
Man Utd appear to be in a similar predicament for this summer, hence why they were trying to flog Garnacho and Mainoo for 'pure profit' under the PSR rules.
Even this week, Newcastle sold a defender to Juve who they said they didn't want to sell, but had to play the PSR game. | | | |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 12:35 - Feb 5 with 2261 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 11:14 - Feb 5 by Sharkey |
It's a bit harsh to say Everton were 'dire ' last season. Won 13, drew 9, exactly the same as Bournemouth. Not great perhaps, but not really 'dire'. The bottom 3 got 14 wins between them. |
That also highlights how bad the bottom 3 were, and chances are this season's bottom three will do worse than that.
Having seen Everton play a fair few times last season, I would describe them as dire, yes! I hadn't realised they had won that many games, goes to show, you really don't need to play good football in the top flight to do well and stay up. | |
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| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 13:46 - Feb 5 with 2129 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 7th highest transfer spend this season on 09:51 - Feb 5 by baxterbasics |
Repeating what I said in an earlier post - we aren't comparing apples with apples here.
We had to build from scratch, on a base of almost zero in terms of PL quality and experience.
Even Leicester and Southampton had, on paper, more valuable squads with PL leftovers.
So yes we will have spent more than some high-performing teams. But they were already strong. We had to spend big just to have a shot at competing, and it's no scandal that we are struggling still.
Total squad value, or maybe wage bill, would be a better table to look at. |
Well said. People still don't seem to get this.
We're playing catch up, and it will take a few seasons, probably including a relegation, to even start to close the gap. All of the clubs in the league right now, except us, have spent much of the last 10 years on Premier League income - some for much longer.
Our recruitment will be looking at 3 things :
- squad improvement
- assets to sell on, to help fund a Premier League future
- players that will help us get back out of the Championship quickly if needed
All of this within FFP and who we can attract to a club that was always going to be battling relegation. | | | |
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