| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? 03:40 - Feb 6 with 6647 views | quirkie |
To take down this horrendous Orange Blimp? Everyday an even more depressing headline from this freak.
I guess we need a new JFK I guess. Starmer up to it, lol? |  |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 04:29 - Feb 6 with 4034 views | jayceee |
You think Starmer is left wing? lol. |  | | |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 05:24 - Feb 6 with 3979 views | IPS_wich |
Maybe Biden has a son/daughter who can take up the mantle.......oh!! |  | | |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:06 - Feb 6 with 3831 views | Herbivore |
The only US politicians with any profile who are left of centre are Bernie Sanders and AOC. |  |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:12 - Feb 6 with 3786 views | positivity |
i'd take a less right wing hero, but it seems that very few in the modern republican party have a spine these days | |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:15 - Feb 6 with 3766 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:12 - Feb 6 by positivity |
i'd take a less right wing hero, but it seems that very few in the modern republican party have a spine these days |
Nor the necessary financial backing. |  |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:23 - Feb 6 with 3726 views | Zx1988 |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:23 - Feb 6 with 3728 views | BloomBlue |
JFK?
Good chance if he was alive now he would be a republican rather than a democrat.
Remember he cut taxes to improve the economy. His theory the less you tax someone the more they have to spend, which ultimately leads to more money for the Government. He also cut the top rate of income tax from 91% to 65% for the same reason, if the high earners have more money, they spend more. In other words he was against taxing people's income to pay for Government public services, instead take it from their spending, aka Liz Truss style. Which is the complete opposite of what the Democrats think today.
*obviously it's possible if JFK did live now his ideas might be different. |  | | |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:26 - Feb 6 with 3700 views | Herbivore |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:12 - Feb 6 by positivity |
i'd take a less right wing hero, but it seems that very few in the modern republican party have a spine these days |
90% of the Democrats are right of centre. US politics is even more skewed to the right than UK politics. They all, with a couple of exceptions, bloody love neoliberalism. [Post edited 6 Feb 8:26]
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:28 - Feb 6 with 3677 views | Herbivore |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:23 - Feb 6 by BloomBlue |
JFK?
Good chance if he was alive now he would be a republican rather than a democrat.
Remember he cut taxes to improve the economy. His theory the less you tax someone the more they have to spend, which ultimately leads to more money for the Government. He also cut the top rate of income tax from 91% to 65% for the same reason, if the high earners have more money, they spend more. In other words he was against taxing people's income to pay for Government public services, instead take it from their spending, aka Liz Truss style. Which is the complete opposite of what the Democrats think today.
*obviously it's possible if JFK did live now his ideas might be different. |
Bring back the 91% top rate! Christ, even the 65% would be an improvement. | |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:46 - Feb 6 with 3605 views | PacittiJohn |
I doubt any political figure will be a Hero as the media etc is so against progressive politicians. However, possibly Elizabeth Warren (though I doubt it).
Economists: Stephanie Felton, Mark Hudson.
Over here: Gary Stevenson, and Richard J Murphy are interesting characters.
Public sentiment has to shift, so that Governments are made to work for the people rather than
bankers/hedge fund managers. Something that hasn’t happened (arguably) since the 1950’s/60s. People have got used to being shat on by billionaires, tech companies, politicians, and the media, so it’s little wonder that we accept our lot, and accept that we are not getting a lot in return. | | | |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:47 - Feb 6 with 3593 views | positivity |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:23 - Feb 6 by BloomBlue |
JFK?
Good chance if he was alive now he would be a republican rather than a democrat.
Remember he cut taxes to improve the economy. His theory the less you tax someone the more they have to spend, which ultimately leads to more money for the Government. He also cut the top rate of income tax from 91% to 65% for the same reason, if the high earners have more money, they spend more. In other words he was against taxing people's income to pay for Government public services, instead take it from their spending, aka Liz Truss style. Which is the complete opposite of what the Democrats think today.
*obviously it's possible if JFK did live now his ideas might be different. |
the world has changed now, the rich are richer, the poor are poorer.
more money given to the poor is spent locally(out of necessity); the richer are more likely to hoard or spend/invest abroad | |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:52 - Feb 6 with 3555 views | lowhouseblue |
to win the next presidential election they'll need to win back the blue collar workers who lost them the swing state, so it won't be left wing by your standards. it needs someone to distance the party from the washington demcrat establishment. just calling trump even worse names won't win it for them - but some of the things he does may well split his support. getting majorities in congress at the mid terms would tie trump down hugely. |  |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:55 - Feb 6 with 3535 views | blueasfook |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:06 - Feb 6 by Herbivore |
The only US politicians with any profile who are left of centre are Bernie Sanders and AOC. |
Sanders is too busy running KFC |  |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 09:35 - Feb 6 with 3317 views | Herbivore |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:55 - Feb 6 by blueasfook |
Sanders is too busy running KFC |
Nice. | |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 09:39 - Feb 6 with 3311 views | Guthrum |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:52 - Feb 6 by lowhouseblue |
to win the next presidential election they'll need to win back the blue collar workers who lost them the swing state, so it won't be left wing by your standards. it needs someone to distance the party from the washington demcrat establishment. just calling trump even worse names won't win it for them - but some of the things he does may well split his support. getting majorities in congress at the mid terms would tie trump down hugely. |
The US workers will have limited patience with Trump if he can't reduce prices - or if they rise because of his policies. Unemployment is currently pretty low, so job creation alone won't do it.
International stuff won't really bother them so long as Americans are not being killed. |  |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 10:06 - Feb 6 with 3236 views | lowhouseblue |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 09:39 - Feb 6 by Guthrum |
The US workers will have limited patience with Trump if he can't reduce prices - or if they rise because of his policies. Unemployment is currently pretty low, so job creation alone won't do it.
International stuff won't really bother them so long as Americans are not being killed. |
if prices rise and he doesn't reduce immigration it will hurt him badly. the democrats have to attack on those issues. they also need to distance themselves from stuff which has proven toxic to blue collar workers - fighting trump on trans inclusion in women's sport for example would be a complete own goal. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 10:10 - Feb 6 with 3175 views | Benters |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:55 - Feb 6 by blueasfook |
Sanders is too busy running KFC |
Funny that 😂👍 |  |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 10:22 - Feb 6 with 3068 views | blueasfook |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 04:29 - Feb 6 by jayceee |
You think Starmer is left wing? lol. |
Indeed. He's already had a chummy call with Trump to kiss his derrier.
But then, isolated from the EU as we are, we need our US friends more than ever. | |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 10:27 - Feb 6 with 3023 views | CoachRob |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 08:46 - Feb 6 by PacittiJohn |
I doubt any political figure will be a Hero as the media etc is so against progressive politicians. However, possibly Elizabeth Warren (though I doubt it).
Economists: Stephanie Felton, Mark Hudson.
Over here: Gary Stevenson, and Richard J Murphy are interesting characters.
Public sentiment has to shift, so that Governments are made to work for the people rather than
bankers/hedge fund managers. Something that hasn’t happened (arguably) since the 1950’s/60s. People have got used to being shat on by billionaires, tech companies, politicians, and the media, so it’s little wonder that we accept our lot, and accept that we are not getting a lot in return. |
I'm guessing the old autocorrect has done its thing there, but you're right Stephanie Kelton, Michael Hudson and Richard Murphy put forward a coherent argument for a better understanding of banks, debt and money. Interestingly Hudson is a Neoclassical economist by training and has switched over to post-Keynesian viewpoint as Hicks did (one of the founder of New Keynesian theory). Michael Kumhof, another Neoclassical economist, who has used the post-Keynesian viewpoint on endogenous money and ported it into DSGE models (not SFC models unfortunately) for the Bank of England.
When I first started to learn about economics about a decade ago I quickly realised what a mess the field was in. It is deeply misogynistic, you only have to see the treatment people like Kelton, Kate Raworth, Isabella Weber and Mariana Mazzucato receive. It is the only field I know of where student groups are calling for a rethinking of the approach. We don't have a rethinking physics group, but I have been part of rethinking economics discussion groups. It is also a field in which people claim expertise when they have none. We get them on here, they have no PhD or ever published in a top journal, but claim all sorts of causality which turns out to be complete nonsense. They don't even bother to reference the people who's ideas they've misrepresented.
The problem I see for the Left is that ecological, post-Keynesian (MMT) and complexity economics are hard to grasp. Claiming the government has no money, is useless and inefficient and therefore needs to be kept to a minimum is easy to sell. Trying to get people to see government as something positive and a force for change is difficult. An example at the moment is flood defences, at a conference last year a person from the Civil Service, who are experts in their own right, talked about Sustainable Drainage Systems (SuDS) and how there is a loop of pilots but never any progress to policy. The government has just announced a paltry increase on flood defences of a couple of hundred million over and above the existing budget, a scheme I visited last year at Southsea costs £180m, so a drop in the ocean of what is really needed given the years of neglect from the previous Tory governments. Government seems to care more about what McKinsey and Blackrock think rather than actual experts. [Post edited 6 Feb 10:34]
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 10:52 - Feb 6 with 2888 views | lowhouseblue |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 10:27 - Feb 6 by CoachRob |
I'm guessing the old autocorrect has done its thing there, but you're right Stephanie Kelton, Michael Hudson and Richard Murphy put forward a coherent argument for a better understanding of banks, debt and money. Interestingly Hudson is a Neoclassical economist by training and has switched over to post-Keynesian viewpoint as Hicks did (one of the founder of New Keynesian theory). Michael Kumhof, another Neoclassical economist, who has used the post-Keynesian viewpoint on endogenous money and ported it into DSGE models (not SFC models unfortunately) for the Bank of England.
When I first started to learn about economics about a decade ago I quickly realised what a mess the field was in. It is deeply misogynistic, you only have to see the treatment people like Kelton, Kate Raworth, Isabella Weber and Mariana Mazzucato receive. It is the only field I know of where student groups are calling for a rethinking of the approach. We don't have a rethinking physics group, but I have been part of rethinking economics discussion groups. It is also a field in which people claim expertise when they have none. We get them on here, they have no PhD or ever published in a top journal, but claim all sorts of causality which turns out to be complete nonsense. They don't even bother to reference the people who's ideas they've misrepresented.
The problem I see for the Left is that ecological, post-Keynesian (MMT) and complexity economics are hard to grasp. Claiming the government has no money, is useless and inefficient and therefore needs to be kept to a minimum is easy to sell. Trying to get people to see government as something positive and a force for change is difficult. An example at the moment is flood defences, at a conference last year a person from the Civil Service, who are experts in their own right, talked about Sustainable Drainage Systems (SuDS) and how there is a loop of pilots but never any progress to policy. The government has just announced a paltry increase on flood defences of a couple of hundred million over and above the existing budget, a scheme I visited last year at Southsea costs £180m, so a drop in the ocean of what is really needed given the years of neglect from the previous Tory governments. Government seems to care more about what McKinsey and Blackrock think rather than actual experts. [Post edited 6 Feb 10:34]
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well as someone with a phd in economics and also very much from the post-keynesian tradition, your approach comes across as unbalanced, ideological and lacking in much understanding of any of the underlying mechanisms. you know what conclusion you want to reach but don't have the economic tools to critique any of the stuff you've heard. it's like a student who rejects what he's taught because he's read a primer on marx. also, it's a football forum - name dropping, constantly listing who you've met, what meeting you've attended etc etc is really really weird.
why not do a open university masters in economics or something and actually learning some of the tools you're trying to critique? | |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 11:14 - Feb 6 with 2763 views | Libero |
One of the most worrying things in my opinion is how the political opposition to Trump this time around is almost non-existent, they're all just waiting to see what he does, trying to keep their head down and hoping they don't become his latest focus.
I don't think a single political figure can beat this- he and those associated with him are deconstructing democracy and he's even venturing into breaking international law.
It emboldens the right wing weirdos elsewhere too- all those freaks who voted reform are absolutely salivating right now, with their current polling being so high.
Then there's the slew of the absolute worst of UK right wing politics who are actively supporting Trump in perpetrating his narrative(s) and simultaniously doing down the UK, in some cases telling outrageous mistruths.
Braverman, Truss, Farage, Johnson- total self serving scumbags. |  | | |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 11:40 - Feb 6 with 2703 views | J2BLUE |
| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 11:14 - Feb 6 by Libero |
One of the most worrying things in my opinion is how the political opposition to Trump this time around is almost non-existent, they're all just waiting to see what he does, trying to keep their head down and hoping they don't become his latest focus.
I don't think a single political figure can beat this- he and those associated with him are deconstructing democracy and he's even venturing into breaking international law.
It emboldens the right wing weirdos elsewhere too- all those freaks who voted reform are absolutely salivating right now, with their current polling being so high.
Then there's the slew of the absolute worst of UK right wing politics who are actively supporting Trump in perpetrating his narrative(s) and simultaniously doing down the UK, in some cases telling outrageous mistruths.
Braverman, Truss, Farage, Johnson- total self serving scumbags. |
I am very thankful we had an election before Trump got in. A couple of months after and it could have been a very different outcome. |  |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 12:19 - Feb 6 with 2562 views | Swansea_Blue |
SpruceMoose will do it for £25+VAT.
Bloody inflation! |  |
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| Who is going to be the Left Wing Hero? on 12:27 - Feb 6 with 2511 views | WicklowBlue |
Philogene? Oh thought this was the football section. |  | | |
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