| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. 15:06 - Jul 5 with 6665 views | noggin |
under terrorism laws. I don't know how the arresting officers can sleep at night. WTF is going on in Britain? |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:08 - Jul 5 with 1092 views | TresBonne |
Because they are protecting the integrity of the laws in our country, which is their job? |  | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:12 - Jul 5 with 1069 views | noggin |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:08 - Jul 5 by TresBonne |
Because they are protecting the integrity of the laws in our country, which is their job? |
Nazi soldiers said similar. | |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:15 - Jul 5 with 1056 views | DJR |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 17:49 - Jul 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
If I’m understanding this correctly they were arrested for supporting the banned group, not for protesting? Clearly Palestine Action members involved in the MoD case should have been prosecuted, but proscribing them as terror group is an authoritarian move. But there seems to be some conflation here that they were arrested just for protesting and that doesn’t appear to be the case.
They could have held a pro Palestine rally and nothing would have happened? Knowing Palestine Action was now a proscribed organisation they’ve needlessly put the police in a difficult position. All seems very avoidable, and perhaps they carried it out for the publicity. The police are not at fault here, the government should never have made that call but they seem increasingly authoritarian. |
They held aloft placards saying.
"I oppose genocide
I support Palestine Action"
In an earlier statement the Met said:
"Officers are responding to a protest in support of Palestine Action in Parliament Square.
The group is now proscribed and expressing support for them is a criminal offence."
So it is what was said on the placards which led to their arrest.
I wouldn't regard what they have done as needless. Instead I would regard it as principled grounds of opposition to the ban. Admittedly, it will have involved courage but that is something that protest is sometimes about.
As it is, I imagine if larger pro-Palestinian marches are still taking place, there may be many tempted to hold such banners. If so, the precedent suggest the police will have tto arrest them all.
Looking at section 12 of the Terrorism Act, it will be interesting to see if, and under which provision, the people concerned are charged. Section 12(1) talks about inviting support which seems to me to involve something different than mere support. And section 12(1A)(b) is not necessarily an easy proposition to prove. {I set out the terms of section 12 earlier in this thread.]
I can see there being test cases if there are indeed charges. And in any event, will juries want to find guilty an 82 year old women?
Finally, it seems to me the police have been put in an awkward position at a time when there are much better things for them to be doing. [Post edited 5 Jul 18:37]
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:20 - Jul 5 with 1032 views | J2BLUE |
If you soft liberal lefties put down the Guardian long enough to use your brains we could have just given this lot a good soak with the water cannons. This is on you. |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:23 - Jul 5 with 1006 views | TresBonne |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:12 - Jul 5 by noggin |
Nazi soldiers said similar. |
I can't be bothered to get into discussions with people who throw out the Nazi word at everybody who disagrees with them.
Have a nice weekend! | | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:24 - Jul 5 with 1003 views | bluelagos |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:20 - Jul 5 by J2BLUE |
If you soft liberal lefties put down the Guardian long enough to use your brains we could have just given this lot a good soak with the water cannons. This is on you. |
Did you know Boris ordered water canon when mayor of London. Thick prick didn't realise they were illegal to use in mainland Britain. |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:25 - Jul 5 with 985 views | J2BLUE |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:23 - Jul 5 by TresBonne |
I can't be bothered to get into discussions with people who throw out the Nazi word at everybody who disagrees with them.
Have a nice weekend! |
Yea that's it Hitler, run away! | |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:27 - Jul 5 with 976 views | J2BLUE |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:24 - Jul 5 by bluelagos |
Did you know Boris ordered water canon when mayor of London. Thick prick didn't realise they were illegal to use in mainland Britain. |
That's what I was referring to 
Glad you realised it was a joke. I was 50/50 on whether it would be taken seriously. | |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:28 - Jul 5 with 962 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 16:30 - Jul 5 by DJR |
From the Guardian.
In a statement on X, the Met said: “Officers have arrested more than 20 people on suspicion of offences under the Terrorism Act 2000. They have been taken into custody. Palestine Action is a proscribed group and officers will act where criminal offences are committed.”
A spokesperson for Defend Our Juries said: “We commend the counter-terrorism police for their decisive action in protecting the people of London from some cardboard signs opposing the genocide in Gaza and expressing support for those taking action to prevent it. It’s a relief to know that counter-terrorism police have nothing better to do.”
An environmental campaigner, Donnachadh McCarthy, said: “To proscribe an organisation of peaceful direct action as terrorists is a huge red line for our democracy. It means that all the rest of us, whether we’re climate activists, Greenpeace, women’s suffragettes, disabled activists, it means that the government can now declare any act of property damage to be terrorism, which gives you a sentence of 14 years.
“This is worse than Putin’s Russia. I don’t say that lightly. It’s 10 years for doing what we’re doing today in Russia; it’s 14 years in the UK, because of Yvette Cooper’s outrageous betrayal of democracy, liberalism, and what is in my view a step towards fascism.”
A retired priest, Sue Parfitt, 82, said the group’s ban was “a very dangerous move that has to be challenged”.
“We are losing our civil liberties, we must stop that for everybody’s sake. Whatever you want to protest about,” she said. |
From justice.org.uk
"In the UK, the legal definition of terrorism is provided in section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000. This defines terrorism as the use or threat of action which:
- involves serious violence against a person
- involves serious damage to property
- endangers a person’s life
- creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public; or
- is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system"
So technically a graffiti group could be proscribed as a terrorist organisation under UK law. That's how easy it was to call this group terrorist, some red spray paint. |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:28 - Jul 5 with 961 views | TresBonne |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:25 - Jul 5 by J2BLUE |
Yea that's it Hitler, run away! |
I wouldn't make a good one, never been able to grow a tashe very well. | | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:29 - Jul 5 with 940 views | positivity |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:28 - Jul 5 by TresBonne |
I wouldn't make a good one, never been able to grow a tashe very well. |
nor could he! |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:43 - Jul 5 with 889 views | BloomBlue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 17:15 - Jul 5 by DJR |
A hearing is set for 21 July to hear an application by Palestine Action for permission for judicial review to quash the order.
An claim for interim relief (to quash the order) was made yesterday but failed, and interesting to note from the Guardian article that the judge said the following.
“I have concluded that the harm which would ensue if interim relief is refused but the claim later succeeds is insufficient to outweigh the strong public interest in maintaining the order in force.”
No doubt those arrested today would beg to differ. [Post edited 5 Jul 17:16]
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Sorry but they knew the law had changed, don't break the law.
That organisation made a challenge in court and it failed
There will be loads of people in the country arrested for something today, which they would beg to differ. Ie drug related, car theft, house burglary, driving a car while drink.. But the fact is, if you undertake something against the law you will (could) be arrested.
These people are supporting a banned organisation. They can still protest about Gaza and show support for Palestine just don't show support for Palestine Action. |  | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:44 - Jul 5 with 888 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 15:43 - Jul 5 by redrickstuhaart |
The issue is not the police here. It is the proscribing of an organisation which was not committing or condoning terrorist acts. |
Abso-fkn-lutely. Yvette Cooper has history here, albeit only a minor role initially. She was a junior minister when Blair’s govt introduced the Terrorism Act 2000 that paved the way for the abuses of power that we’re seeing here. She would have been fully aware and supportive back then and is following through now. George Monbiot has been all over this from the start, but he’s just a whacky crusty that people ignore. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/feb/22/humanrights.comment
Edit: as for your question Noggers about “WTF is going on in Britain?”. We’re creeping increasingly into an authoritarian/police state. I’m not sure what the correct description is, but rights and freedoms are being incrementally eroded and state control through ever restrictive laws is being increased.
Meanwhile, Rod Liddle ‘jokingly’ reckons we should bomb Glastonbury and that’s fine apparently. But spray paint on planes to highlight the genocide that our government are complicit in and dare to say you support them standing against the killing of tens of thousands of women and children and you’re a terrorist, apparently.
https://www.thenational.scot/politics/25289244.spectators-bomb-glastonbury-rant- [Post edited 5 Jul 18:52]
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:49 - Jul 5 with 869 views | DJR |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:43 - Jul 5 by BloomBlue |
Sorry but they knew the law had changed, don't break the law.
That organisation made a challenge in court and it failed
There will be loads of people in the country arrested for something today, which they would beg to differ. Ie drug related, car theft, house burglary, driving a car while drink.. But the fact is, if you undertake something against the law you will (could) be arrested.
These people are supporting a banned organisation. They can still protest about Gaza and show support for Palestine just don't show support for Palestine Action. |
You don't have any concerns about the proscribing of Palestine Action?
As a libertarian, I do.
On reflection, I am sure these people will be happy to be charged. Without protest, women would never have got the vote. And the more people protest against this, the less chance that other similar groups will be proscribed. [Post edited 5 Jul 18:56]
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:59 - Jul 5 with 839 views | thebooks |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:43 - Jul 5 by BloomBlue |
Sorry but they knew the law had changed, don't break the law.
That organisation made a challenge in court and it failed
There will be loads of people in the country arrested for something today, which they would beg to differ. Ie drug related, car theft, house burglary, driving a car while drink.. But the fact is, if you undertake something against the law you will (could) be arrested.
These people are supporting a banned organisation. They can still protest about Gaza and show support for Palestine just don't show support for Palestine Action. |
Erm, by that logic you can never protest any laws (Jim Crow laws as an example from the top of my head). |  | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:59 - Jul 5 with 838 views | tcblue |
I proscribed the Met as a terrorist organisation decades ago [Post edited 5 Jul 19:00]
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 19:19 - Jul 5 with 785 views | BloomBlue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:49 - Jul 5 by DJR |
You don't have any concerns about the proscribing of Palestine Action?
As a libertarian, I do.
On reflection, I am sure these people will be happy to be charged. Without protest, women would never have got the vote. And the more people protest against this, the less chance that other similar groups will be proscribed. [Post edited 5 Jul 18:56]
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I have no problem with peaceful protesting if it doesn't interfere with the rights of others, but attacking military equipment is I believe terrorist activity. That is what terrorist do.
Those aircraft had never been used for anything related to Israel.
Too many people are blaming the Government, what they should be doing is blaming Palestine Action for not engaging their brains and thinking of the consequences for deciding to attack those aircraft.
Elected MPs were able to vote on this and it was also challenged in court after the vote and that failed. | | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 19:26 - Jul 5 with 774 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 15:32 - Jul 5 by DJR |
This is the Guardian report.
"People holding signs referencing Palestine Action have been arrested by police a day after the group was banned as a terrorist organisation.
More than two dozen people gathered close to the statue of Mahatma Gandhi in Parliament Square in London on Saturday, holding signs that appeared to express support for the group.
At about 1.40pm, Metropolitan police officers began arresting people who were holding the signs."
It's madness, and makes a mockery of the law given they could well be charged under section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000, as could anyone on TWTD expressing support. The maximum penalty is 14 years.
Section 12 is as follow.
12. Support
(1) A person commits an offence if—
(a) he invites support for a proscribed organisation, and
(b)the support is not, or is not restricted to, the provision of money or other property (within the meaning of section 15).
(1A) A person commits an offence if the person—
(a)expresses an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation, and
(b) in doing so is reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation.]
(2) A person commits an offence if he arranges, manages or assists in arranging or managing a meeting which he knows is—
(a) to support a proscribed organisation,
(b) to further the activities of a proscribed organisation, or
(c to be addressed by a person who belongs or professes to belong to a proscribed organisation.
(3) A person commits an offence if he addresses a meeting and the purpose of his address is to encourage support for a proscribed organisation or to further its activities.
(4) Where a person is charged with an offence under subsection (2)(c) in respect of a private meeting it is a defence for him to prove that he had no reasonable cause to believe that the address mentioned in subsection (2)(c) would support a proscribed organisation or further its activities.
(5) In subsections (2) to (4)—
(a) “meeting” means a meeting of three or more persons, whether or not the public are admitted, and
(b) a meeting is private if the public are not admitted.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—
(a) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding [14] years, to a fine or to both, or
(b) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to both. [Post edited 5 Jul 15:39]
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Reading the wording carefully suggests that if a member of Palestinian Action wanted to apply for a Judicial Review of the Home Secretary's decision to prescribe the organisation, then:
a) they would be unable to ask anyone else to join them in that appeal.
b) they would be unable to instruct a Solicitor to aid them in that process.
c) they would be unable to ask somebody for a lift to a Judicial Review, if granted.
d) the Judge would not be able to meet with them.
e) nobody would be able to speak for the proscribed organisation.
Which makes it a very bad law, in my opinion. | | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 19:30 - Jul 5 with 758 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 16:13 - Jul 5 by Dubtractor |
I've tried to keep an open mind about this Labour government, but bloody hell they are a disappointment so far.
They somehow managed to find at least one thing to irritate almost every section of UK society about. That's quite an achievement. |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 19:31 - Jul 5 with 755 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 18:28 - Jul 5 by Cheltenham_Blue |
From justice.org.uk
"In the UK, the legal definition of terrorism is provided in section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000. This defines terrorism as the use or threat of action which:
- involves serious violence against a person
- involves serious damage to property
- endangers a person’s life
- creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public; or
- is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system"
So technically a graffiti group could be proscribed as a terrorist organisation under UK law. That's how easy it was to call this group terrorist, some red spray paint. |
Yep. The link I posted just after you was from an article by Monbiot in 2001 where he lays out his concerns about the Terrorist Act 2000 being used in this exact way to criminalise protest. The Palestine Action people who broke into the RAF base should have been charged with trespass and for the damage of the planes. Proscribing the whole organisation is very Orwellian. | |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 19:32 - Jul 5 with 749 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Now this really is cancel culture! | |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 19:42 - Jul 5 with 720 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 19:19 - Jul 5 by BloomBlue |
I have no problem with peaceful protesting if it doesn't interfere with the rights of others, but attacking military equipment is I believe terrorist activity. That is what terrorist do.
Those aircraft had never been used for anything related to Israel.
Too many people are blaming the Government, what they should be doing is blaming Palestine Action for not engaging their brains and thinking of the consequences for deciding to attack those aircraft.
Elected MPs were able to vote on this and it was also challenged in court after the vote and that failed. |
Did the suffragettes protest peacefully to give women rights?
Did black people protest peacefully to get equal rights based on skin colour?
Everyone says protest peacefully but if you raise a petition or protest quietly where you dont disrupt others then everyone ignores you! |  |
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| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 20:19 - Jul 5 with 664 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 16:33 - Jul 5 by bluelagos |
Met's finest working hard to keep us safe from these terrorist sympathisers...
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"Only a handful of MPs voted in opposition to proscription."
Sadly it's regarded as a vile, antisemitic trope to point out why so many of our politicians (on the Left and on the Right) support the Zionist entity irrespective of how horrifically it abuses human rights.
I'm pleased to see so many Jews and non-Jews standing up and speaking out against Zionists whether they are Christian, Jewish or secular. |  | | |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 20:32 - Jul 5 with 645 views | BlacknGoldnBlue |
| Peaceful protesters arrested in Parliament Square. on 20:19 - Jul 5 by Cafe_Newman |
"Only a handful of MPs voted in opposition to proscription."
Sadly it's regarded as a vile, antisemitic trope to point out why so many of our politicians (on the Left and on the Right) support the Zionist entity irrespective of how horrifically it abuses human rights.
I'm pleased to see so many Jews and non-Jews standing up and speaking out against Zionists whether they are Christian, Jewish or secular. |
Did you see the vote? Did you read the wording of the vote? It was a blatant disregard for democracy | |
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