| Because we’re not allowed to worry… 11:36 - Jul 7 with 9332 views | SitfcB |
…when should we start worrying about no new signings?
Off to Austria next week, surely we should have one or two in by then at least.
Season starts in 32 days and we’re now 7 days into the ‘new financial year’ which some were using as an excuse. |  |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:03 - Jul 7 with 1345 views | homer_123 |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 11:56 - Jul 7 by Herbivore |
I'm worried about worrying now! |
I'm now worried that I've made you worry about worrying. |  |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:06 - Jul 7 with 1329 views | positivity |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:03 - Jul 7 by homer_123 |
I'm now worried that I've made you worry about worrying. |
is it worse to be worried about worrying or worried that you're "not allowed to worry"? |  |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:07 - Jul 7 with 1326 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 13:40 - Jul 7 by ITFC_Forever |
Max 6 players? And the rest....
Since last season we have lost:
4 x loans
Mass
Burgess
Delap
Tuanzebe
And we were a striker short in the first place.
I'm not including AAH as I don't think he's in KMc's plans.... Baggott, H Clarke and Humphreys are back in the squad, but you wouldn't consider either of them starters. |
The is completely the wrong way to look at it. The PL season is gone, and so have some of the players we had for that top flight season.
We currently have a 25 man squad, so NO room to add anyone - so the approach needs to be to look at the 25 we have, and who should be replaced as we move towards the final 25.
I'd say 5-6 of the current 25 will be moved on (be it loan or sale) and replaced with better.
Replace more than 6 and you need to find more to move on, and risk another season with significant bedding-in needed. We don't need that level of disruption for a Championship season. | | | |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:07 - Jul 7 with 1324 views | LeoMuff |
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for comparison, this is how they line up against our squad this time in 2023 (> is better, < is worse (imho of course!):-
Palmer>hayes
Walton=
Muric>hladky
Johnson>donacien(sorry janoi)
Clarke=
O'Shea>edmondson
Woolfenden=
Greaves>burgess
Baggott=
Davis>
Townsend>leigh
Morsy=
Taylor=
Humphreys>
Burns=
Ogbene>jackson
Hutchinson>edwards
Chaplin>
Szmodics>harness
Clarke>aluko
Broadhead=
Philogene>camara
Hirst>
Al-Hamadi=ladapo
i make that 15 improved on 2023, none worse. anyone else?
we finished 2nd that year, so it's not impossible that we have decent season again?
EDIT: completely missed luongo, which is unforgiveable, so maybe that's 14-1 instead!! [Post edited 7 Jul 14:04]
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I would suggest that midfield would not be up to even play off standard. Hirst has had a significant injury in each of the last 2 seasons which would leave AAH. |  |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:10 - Jul 7 with 1284 views | positivity |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:07 - Jul 7 by LeoMuff |
I would suggest that midfield would not be up to even play off standard. Hirst has had a significant injury in each of the last 2 seasons which would leave AAH. |
would morsy/luongo in 2023 be seen as playoff standard? both seen as past their best and surplus to requirements at a playoff chasing side
would ladapo in 2023 be seen as any better than aah? | |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:20 - Jul 7 with 1208 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 13:41 - Jul 7 by Kieran_Knows |
Minimum of 8 IMO, if not 10. |
Where an earth do you get 10 from?!?!
We have two players in every position apart from CM & CB.
2 X ST & Ali goes on loan
2/3 X CM's & Cam goes on loan
1 x CB to replace Burgess
That would leave us with 3 ST's, 5 CM's and at least two players in every position.
Where an earth are you thinking these other 4/5 are going to fit in? [Post edited 7 Jul 14:21]
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:21 - Jul 7 with 1193 views | LeoMuff |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:10 - Jul 7 by positivity |
would morsy/luongo in 2023 be seen as playoff standard? both seen as past their best and surplus to requirements at a playoff chasing side
would ladapo in 2023 be seen as any better than aah? |
Ladapo scored 9 in one championship season, and 15 plus in multiple league 1, definitely an upgrade on AAH thus far.
Morsy and Luongo were greater than the sum of their parts, I’m not even sure Taylor can play in that role nor Humphries (though he may have developed this season) | |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:22 - Jul 7 with 1183 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:20 - Jul 7 by Bellevue_Blue |
Where an earth do you get 10 from?!?!
We have two players in every position apart from CM & CB.
2 X ST & Ali goes on loan
2/3 X CM's & Cam goes on loan
1 x CB to replace Burgess
That would leave us with 3 ST's, 5 CM's and at least two players in every position.
Where an earth are you thinking these other 4/5 are going to fit in? [Post edited 7 Jul 14:21]
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Hutchinson won't be here at the end of the window to be fair, so that's another one we'll need. |  |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:23 - Jul 7 with 1177 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:01 - Jul 7 by homer_123 |
I think you've missed the point fella. |
Nope.
Theres always exceptions to a rule.
You've confirmed the rule. |  |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:27 - Jul 7 with 1147 views | itfcjoe |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:22 - Jul 7 by ITFC_Forever |
Hutchinson won't be here at the end of the window to be fair, so that's another one we'll need. |
We've currently got 26 senior players, with 25 being able to be registered - think at most we will be able to lose
2 GKs [maybe don't register Button and have a young 3rd choice so 3]
1 RB [Clarke or Johnson]
1 CB [ Baggott, maybe Woolf wants to start somewhere too?]
0 LB
2 CM [Taylor transfer, Humphreys out on loan]
1-2 AM [Omari transferred, Broadhead last year of deal?]
1 ST [Ali]
If all of those went [Muric, Slicker, Johnson, Baggott, Taylor, Humphreys, Hutchinson, Broadhead, Ali] that allows us to bring in 8 signings
Then the extras from there like Woolf looking for first team football, Button not being registered etc can get it to 10
But an awful lot of work to do to get all that done |  |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:28 - Jul 7 with 1134 views | positivity |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:21 - Jul 7 by LeoMuff |
Ladapo scored 9 in one championship season, and 15 plus in multiple league 1, definitely an upgrade on AAH thus far.
Morsy and Luongo were greater than the sum of their parts, I’m not even sure Taylor can play in that role nor Humphries (though he may have developed this season) |
ladapo in 2023 was seen as some way off his peak, we got him on a free from rotherham. (for comparison his 9 from 43 at rotherham is similar to aah's 6 from 27 at championship level, maybe not as good considering the ratio of starts to subs?)
luongo in 2023 wasn't seen as being up to it, which is why we bought an upgrade in taylor [Post edited 7 Jul 14:37]
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:32 - Jul 7 with 1091 views | waveneyblue |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 12:20 - Jul 7 by waveneyblue |
My god there's some bo11ocks written on here, and you've just won today's award.
Pathetic comment |
Ah good afternoon Mr Herbibore. Nice to see you're still my Number One fan, why don't you ask Phil if he could set an algorithm to automatically downvote every post of mine.
Don't worry, I'm not now starting another 10 pager - Just nice to feel the love again. |  | | |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:37 - Jul 7 with 1060 views | LeoMuff |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:28 - Jul 7 by positivity |
ladapo in 2023 was seen as some way off his peak, we got him on a free from rotherham. (for comparison his 9 from 43 at rotherham is similar to aah's 6 from 27 at championship level, maybe not as good considering the ratio of starts to subs?)
luongo in 2023 wasn't seen as being up to it, which is why we bought an upgrade in taylor [Post edited 7 Jul 14:37]
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Ladapo had just scored 17 goals for us, think he was seen as decent back up. Luongo was a revelation after joining in league 1, I guess also seen as potentially decent championship who may not last the distance.
Are you saying Morsy and Taylor are good enough for a promotion push ? | |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:40 - Jul 7 with 1041 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 13:05 - Jul 7 by surreyblue |
Personally my lack of concern is also supported by the lack of outgoings. I think we need 3 more signings to replace players that have already left (2x CM, 1x ST) and another 2-3 to updgrade on what we already have (RB, CB cover and 3rd striker). I'm expecting one of the CAMs to leave as well - Omari or Broadhead (but not both).
Where I'd start to get concerned is if the number of new signings required, in particular the number of signing to replace players who have already left, starts to increase. I'm not concerned about the signings we have to make today, but if we also need to replace, for example, Johnson, Davis, Morsy, and Ogbene, then I'd like to have seen us do some business before anyone else leaves. |
Think you are being a bit blasé about our lack of outgoings, we've lost 3 of our better players already, Delap, Cajuste and Tuanzebe. We are desperately light in CM and upfront Hirst is injury prone and Ali is yet to prove he's Championship material. That said I do wonder if Sammie may get more of a run down the middle this season. |  | | |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:42 - Jul 7 with 1017 views | positivity |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:37 - Jul 7 by LeoMuff |
Ladapo had just scored 17 goals for us, think he was seen as decent back up. Luongo was a revelation after joining in league 1, I guess also seen as potentially decent championship who may not last the distance.
Are you saying Morsy and Taylor are good enough for a promotion push ? |
i'm saying they're equally well placed as morsy and luongo were in 2023.
in reality, we will buy someone else in as our financials are in a far better place, but it'll need to be the right one and we may be towards the end of the window when the cards fall into place | |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:52 - Jul 7 with 938 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:20 - Jul 7 by Bellevue_Blue |
Where an earth do you get 10 from?!?!
We have two players in every position apart from CM & CB.
2 X ST & Ali goes on loan
2/3 X CM's & Cam goes on loan
1 x CB to replace Burgess
That would leave us with 3 ST's, 5 CM's and at least two players in every position.
Where an earth are you thinking these other 4/5 are going to fit in? [Post edited 7 Jul 14:21]
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A little thing called existing players leaving maybe?
Morsy, Johnson and Hutchinson have all been linked with moves.
Muric, Taylor, Al-Hamadi who have all played bit part roles could go, and from what I've heard, so could Broadhead.
So yes, with another 4-5 players leaving, there could well be up to 10 players come in, Not really sure why you think that's out of the ordinary. |  |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 15:00 - Jul 7 with 891 views | surreyblue |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:40 - Jul 7 by StNeotsBlue |
Think you are being a bit blasé about our lack of outgoings, we've lost 3 of our better players already, Delap, Cajuste and Tuanzebe. We are desperately light in CM and upfront Hirst is injury prone and Ali is yet to prove he's Championship material. That said I do wonder if Sammie may get more of a run down the middle this season. |
Surely that makes it even more important that we take our time and find the right replacements for those positions rather than getting a body in quickly based on who is available right now? | | | |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 15:15 - Jul 7 with 831 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:52 - Jul 7 by Kieran_Knows |
A little thing called existing players leaving maybe?
Morsy, Johnson and Hutchinson have all been linked with moves.
Muric, Taylor, Al-Hamadi who have all played bit part roles could go, and from what I've heard, so could Broadhead.
So yes, with another 4-5 players leaving, there could well be up to 10 players come in, Not really sure why you think that's out of the ordinary. |
That is just pure speculation though. At the moment we do not need anything like 10 which is what I thought you meant.
If you haven't already give this a read which all but confirms we won't see anything like 10 - https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/25208911.ipswich-town-mark-ashton-possible-player-s
I'm not sure if you have to be subscriber but I have copied in key quotes below ...
Asked if this summer was likely to be as busy as the last in terms of incoming players, Ashton replied: “No, I wouldn't expect 12 signings.
“Kieran (McKenna) and I have talked about how we want to maintain the bulk of the squad. If you look at the success we had moving from League One to the Championship, I think a lot of that was based on everything being calm, everything being steady, the plan just rolled and we continued.
“There's always a natural churn, but I don't see that being huge.
“I think it's important fans understand that one of the challenges you've got when you come down is you've got to retain, because we're going to have suitors for players.
“So as much as you've got to recruit you've got to retain, you've got to work hard to make sure you've got those players locked down.
“I think there will be a small element of churn, I don't see it being huge, but I think it being enough that makes us more effective and ready for the Championship whilst retaining the bulk of the squad.”
Asked if that meant there was no pressure/need to sell further players in order to balance the books, Ashton replied: “Yep. We're not into fire sales. We haven't got to sell a multitude of players, but one or two players will be traded out to give ourselves that headroom and the ability to move forward.” | | | |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 15:15 - Jul 7 by Bellevue_Blue |
That is just pure speculation though. At the moment we do not need anything like 10 which is what I thought you meant.
If you haven't already give this a read which all but confirms we won't see anything like 10 - https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/25208911.ipswich-town-mark-ashton-possible-player-s
I'm not sure if you have to be subscriber but I have copied in key quotes below ...
Asked if this summer was likely to be as busy as the last in terms of incoming players, Ashton replied: “No, I wouldn't expect 12 signings.
“Kieran (McKenna) and I have talked about how we want to maintain the bulk of the squad. If you look at the success we had moving from League One to the Championship, I think a lot of that was based on everything being calm, everything being steady, the plan just rolled and we continued.
“There's always a natural churn, but I don't see that being huge.
“I think it's important fans understand that one of the challenges you've got when you come down is you've got to retain, because we're going to have suitors for players.
“So as much as you've got to recruit you've got to retain, you've got to work hard to make sure you've got those players locked down.
“I think there will be a small element of churn, I don't see it being huge, but I think it being enough that makes us more effective and ready for the Championship whilst retaining the bulk of the squad.”
Asked if that meant there was no pressure/need to sell further players in order to balance the books, Ashton replied: “Yep. We're not into fire sales. We haven't got to sell a multitude of players, but one or two players will be traded out to give ourselves that headroom and the ability to move forward.” |
Ashton is a shrewd business man and won't want to give anything away in the media. If you read Joe's post above then I'd imagine that 8 to 10 signings is certainly likely. |  | | |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 15:38 - Jul 7 with 721 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 15:29 - Jul 7 by BseaBlue |
Ashton is a shrewd business man and won't want to give anything away in the media. If you read Joe's post above then I'd imagine that 8 to 10 signings is certainly likely. |
I know but he's not going to say “Kieran (McKenna) and I have talked about how we want to maintain the bulk of the squad. If you look at the success we had moving from League One to the Championship, I think a lot of that was based on everything being calm, everything being steady, the plan just rolled and we continued" and then get rid of a half of the squad.
There is nothing smart or media savvy about that.
So if he's already said the goal is to keep the squad together based on previous consistency, it's probably highly unlikely that we will be looking at 10 incomings. | | | |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 15:39 - Jul 7 with 712 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:07 - Jul 7 by LeoMuff |
I would suggest that midfield would not be up to even play off standard. Hirst has had a significant injury in each of the last 2 seasons which would leave AAH. |
Obviously a parachute club who have spent 130-140m Since acquiring Taylor and Morsy, who were at the club before a ball was kicked in Championship, should not be starting with those as your primary options after a PL relegation.
I would be shocked if it were the case but I think people are being casual that we only need one or two in. I’d say likely 2 more departures and minimum of 5 in. |  | | |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 15:39 - Jul 7 with 711 views | muccletonjoe |
Now!! We should be worried NOW ! |  | | |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 15:44 - Jul 7 with 693 views | itfcjoe |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 15:38 - Jul 7 by Bellevue_Blue |
I know but he's not going to say “Kieran (McKenna) and I have talked about how we want to maintain the bulk of the squad. If you look at the success we had moving from League One to the Championship, I think a lot of that was based on everything being calm, everything being steady, the plan just rolled and we continued" and then get rid of a half of the squad.
There is nothing smart or media savvy about that.
So if he's already said the goal is to keep the squad together based on previous consistency, it's probably highly unlikely that we will be looking at 10 incomings. |
But you can keep the squad together with 17 or 18 of last seasons squad, I think the EADT article understates what we'll do personally
You'll want some churn around the edges of the squad to freshen things up and to go for the promotion we are desperate for | |
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 15:47 - Jul 7 with 666 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 14:52 - Jul 7 by Kieran_Knows |
A little thing called existing players leaving maybe?
Morsy, Johnson and Hutchinson have all been linked with moves.
Muric, Taylor, Al-Hamadi who have all played bit part roles could go, and from what I've heard, so could Broadhead.
So yes, with another 4-5 players leaving, there could well be up to 10 players come in, Not really sure why you think that's out of the ordinary. |
Your maths is failing you 
We're in a 1 in, 1 out situation right now, so if only 4-5 move on (and I think this is about the likely number - maybe up to 6), then we can only bring in 4-5.
(plus any U21s we buy) [Post edited 7 Jul 15:49]
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| Because we’re not allowed to worry… on 15:49 - Jul 7 with 644 views | positivity |
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Obviously a parachute club who have spent 130-140m Since acquiring Taylor and Morsy, who were at the club before a ball was kicked in Championship, should not be starting with those as your primary options after a PL relegation.
I would be shocked if it were the case but I think people are being casual that we only need one or two in. I’d say likely 2 more departures and minimum of 5 in. |
that makes 29 in a 25 man squad unless they're all under-21s? | |
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