| I hope we give Muric another go 18:09 - Jul 7 with 6928 views | FrimleyBlue |
Part of me wonders if he will be off, but if not, I hope to see him given some pre season games when hes back and the start of the season.
We missed him massively in regards to corners and some of his saves weren't repeated by those that followed. I know he made some really bad calls. BUT there were many occasions with palmer where morsy, cajuste etc all took short suicide balls from him, but because the end result wasn't a goal, palmer kinda got away with a lot imo.
I think its great for town in that we have 3 fairly solid keepers but all have their weaknesses. Muric for me is the one who you'd hope could be that top goalkeeper he has the skills to be as he has that added physique and i don't have the stats to back this up so ill hold hands up if im wrong, but I felt we were actually better with muric than the other choices despite his clangers. |  |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:16 - Jul 8 with 705 views | itfcjoe |
Talent wise he is our best GK, had a few ricks which got punished, whereas Palmer got away with them when he did.
But he clearly wasn't a well liked/respected member of the team/squad, the defence didn't look confident in him and that hurt us and the management team clearly lost faith in him.
Feels impossible to see a way back for him here so will just be a case of clawing back what we can for him and moving on. I won't be shocked to see him have a really good career and hit the heights elsewhere but it won't be here |  |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:18 - Jul 8 with 701 views | hype313 |
From what I've heard he's a bit of a loner, never really fully integrated, you could see the defence were far more confident when Walton then Palmer came in. Not saying either of those 2 are the answer either, tbh I haven't had full confidence in our keepers since Kelvin Davis.
Muric just looks like Sereni 2.0 |  |
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| badabing on 12:19 - Jul 8 with 684 views | Dyland |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:18 - Jul 8 by hype313 |
From what I've heard he's a bit of a loner, never really fully integrated, you could see the defence were far more confident when Walton then Palmer came in. Not saying either of those 2 are the answer either, tbh I haven't had full confidence in our keepers since Kelvin Davis.
Muric just looks like Sereni 2.0 |
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| Stats shmats on 12:20 - Jul 8 with 673 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Stats shmats on 12:07 - Jul 8 by Dyland |
Who was the oppo, how many injuries were there, what were the game turnaround times, etc.etc. etc.
I'm not disagreeing with the underlying point btw, but you get my... er, point... innit.
Muric has a very high ceiling. I felt sorry for him more than anything. But one can't ignore the total lack of communication with his team mates. |
Yes, it's a simple statistic, and you could try to analyse it further - it's not entirely down to the keeper, but it is a big difference.
Since Muric was in goal for a full half season, he faced every team except Liverpool (first game of the season with a warm-up knock as I remember). Looking into injuries to other players is more involved.
I'm also not trying to say Muric is our saviour - just trying to introduce some 'facts' to the debate. As some have said, there was an element of the fanbase that had written Muric off before the season started, and haven't let up since. |  | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:22 - Jul 8 with 658 views | Ryorry |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:16 - Jul 8 by itfcjoe |
Talent wise he is our best GK, had a few ricks which got punished, whereas Palmer got away with them when he did.
But he clearly wasn't a well liked/respected member of the team/squad, the defence didn't look confident in him and that hurt us and the management team clearly lost faith in him.
Feels impossible to see a way back for him here so will just be a case of clawing back what we can for him and moving on. I won't be shocked to see him have a really good career and hit the heights elsewhere but it won't be here |
"A few ricks" really does not cover his persistent complete absence of communication - a very serious underlying constant in all his performances. Keepers are supposed to be part of a *team*. Hence other team members & KM losing trust in him. Fundamental underlying issue. |  |
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| Totally agree with last para on 12:24 - Jul 8 with 644 views | Dyland |
| Stats shmats on 12:20 - Jul 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Yes, it's a simple statistic, and you could try to analyse it further - it's not entirely down to the keeper, but it is a big difference.
Since Muric was in goal for a full half season, he faced every team except Liverpool (first game of the season with a warm-up knock as I remember). Looking into injuries to other players is more involved.
I'm also not trying to say Muric is our saviour - just trying to introduce some 'facts' to the debate. As some have said, there was an element of the fanbase that had written Muric off before the season started, and haven't let up since. |
I was highly sceptical after watching his end of season howlers for Burnley but some of the stick he got was silly and so counterproductive, as it always is.
Whatever he ends up doing (and he has the raw ability to be absolute world class) I can't see it happening at ITFC. | |
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| Totally agree with last para on 12:26 - Jul 8 with 633 views | LeoMuff |
| Totally agree with last para on 12:24 - Jul 8 by Dyland |
I was highly sceptical after watching his end of season howlers for Burnley but some of the stick he got was silly and so counterproductive, as it always is.
Whatever he ends up doing (and he has the raw ability to be absolute world class) I can't see it happening at ITFC. |
It would be very expensive to write him off at this stage, potentially head and shoulders better than anyone in this division and we would be writing off millions to move him on.
If there are no internal or attitude issues and he wants to be here I would play him. |  |
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| Totally agree with last para on 12:27 - Jul 8 with 625 views | Ryorry |
| Totally agree with last para on 12:26 - Jul 8 by LeoMuff |
It would be very expensive to write him off at this stage, potentially head and shoulders better than anyone in this division and we would be writing off millions to move him on.
If there are no internal or attitude issues and he wants to be here I would play him. |
Potentially a massively false economy. | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:28 - Jul 8 with 626 views | itfcjoe |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:22 - Jul 8 by Ryorry |
"A few ricks" really does not cover his persistent complete absence of communication - a very serious underlying constant in all his performances. Keepers are supposed to be part of a *team*. Hence other team members & KM losing trust in him. Fundamental underlying issue. |
Well my second paragraph covered that I thought | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:29 - Jul 8 with 615 views | MattinLondon |
Muric made mistakes but so did a lot of other players - some of Muric’s mistakes led directly to goals but considering how we defended at times last season, he was exposed consistently by his defence but was given far less slack than other players.
A pre-season to regain his lost confidence may well work wonders for him. |  | | |
| I don't disagree Muffers on 12:29 - Jul 8 with 613 views | Dyland |
| Totally agree with last para on 12:26 - Jul 8 by LeoMuff |
It would be very expensive to write him off at this stage, potentially head and shoulders better than anyone in this division and we would be writing off millions to move him on.
If there are no internal or attitude issues and he wants to be here I would play him. |
Tis possibly a big "if" though. | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:31 - Jul 8 with 609 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:13 - Jul 8 by Ryorry |
Stats can prove anything you want them to if you remove all other factors such as other injuries in the team, opponents, what stage of the season, what stage of the game goals were conceded, how they were conceded (whether howlers or unsaveable worldies eg), how team confidence was at the time or was affected (eg the team leading through great efforts by striker/s & that then being negated by a howler -> deflation with all positivity & momentum sucked out).
Edit - sorry Dyland, only saw yours after posting mine. [Post edited 8 Jul 12:14]
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If it was close on the PPG, your point would be stronger - but it's a massive difference over what is statistically a reasonable number of games (18 vs 14)
All things being even, a full season of Palmer at that rate would have got us 16 points, and 26 under Muric.
We'll never know for sure, but what is an undisputable fact is that we gained points at a much better rate with Muric in goal than Palmer. The Muric haters will never acknowledge this, but those that want us to have the best keeper in goal will at least concede that Muric might be that choice - if he can be rehabilitated into the group. | | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:31 - Jul 8 with 609 views | Ryorry |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:28 - Jul 8 by itfcjoe |
Well my second paragraph covered that I thought |
It didn't really cover his actual play for me, but apols if I misread it. | |
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| I don't disagree Muffers on 12:33 - Jul 8 with 606 views | LeoMuff |
| I don't disagree Muffers on 12:29 - Jul 8 by Dyland |
Tis possibly a big "if" though. |
Certainly and if so I’m sure will be moved on asap. You would think if that were the case he wouldn’t be joining the squad on pre season tour | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:36 - Jul 8 with 599 views | SE1blue |
Hoping Muric will come good reminds me of when we used to hope Bishop or Huws or KVY or the return of Murphy might be the answer.
We are in a better place than that now and we don’t need to hope a guy that repeatedly made mistakes and didn’t really fit McKenna’s team model comes good. Like a couple of other players that fell short of expectations last season, he doesn’t quite work, move on. |  |
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| Another fair point on 12:36 - Jul 8 with 595 views | Dyland |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:29 - Jul 8 by MattinLondon |
Muric made mistakes but so did a lot of other players - some of Muric’s mistakes led directly to goals but considering how we defended at times last season, he was exposed consistently by his defence but was given far less slack than other players.
A pre-season to regain his lost confidence may well work wonders for him. |
I can't help the odd face palm and groan but slinging vitriol at your own players is so tedious. As you say, the goalie bears the brunt even when the team's collective defending invites relentless pressure.
Saying that, he was guilty of mentally bad hospital passes when he could've/should've chucked out the manual for a moment and passed long. Maybe he simply overestimates the skills of his teammates... indeed, maybe the success route for the lad is to sign for a top team as number two. But who'd risk it?
Ignore that last point actually, he also got robbed often trying to dribble it out didn't he. At Burnley too. Whoops. | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:38 - Jul 8 with 574 views | Ryorry |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:31 - Jul 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
If it was close on the PPG, your point would be stronger - but it's a massive difference over what is statistically a reasonable number of games (18 vs 14)
All things being even, a full season of Palmer at that rate would have got us 16 points, and 26 under Muric.
We'll never know for sure, but what is an undisputable fact is that we gained points at a much better rate with Muric in goal than Palmer. The Muric haters will never acknowledge this, but those that want us to have the best keeper in goal will at least concede that Muric might be that choice - if he can be rehabilitated into the group. |
As I said, you've ignored other factors - and I've not seen any "Muric *haters*", just fans who feel incredibly disappointed & frustrated that his howlers cost us crucial points.
As for "best keeper" - well, you've said that he had 18 games to prove that he was. Unfortunately he didn't. | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:44 - Jul 8 with 555 views | darkhorse28 |
Apparently he’s changed his socials to remove Ipswich, not sure if it’s true. But we would happily take a loss to move him in I’d think, he’s really poor, not sure where you get his presence at corners.
He is massive, and should be commanding, but seems to hate leaving his line, he’s very static.
Your comments on Palmer seem fair enough, totally agree.
I’ll never understand though, why players not in the side improve when the team or a replacement does badly.
We could have coco the clown in the team, it wouldn’t make Muric any good.., maybe it’s confidence, who knows, but I do know on passing, crosses, positioning and confidence, he’s the worst I’ve ever seen in a town shirt.., him and Marshall.
Ogbenne is the same. Great athlete, but zero end product at any level, has to stop and look up when he gets in good positions.., but he is a fantastic athlete - out all season and he’s suddenly Messi.
I think we’ll be disappointed.
Muric aboard or back to Burnley as back up.., and we will do cartwheels and save a fortune.
I don’t even think we’ e paid his fee in full for another two years.., imagine that liability, plus wages, for what will be third choice.
Palmer isn’t massively better, but he’s very good at this level, cheaper, and more consistent. And equally a fine shot stopper.
Muric looks the part. He should be brilliant.., but he doesn’t even have the basics covered. | | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 14:22 - Jul 8 with 475 views | GavITFC |
Realistically none of our current keepers actually play the way McKenna wants so I wouldn’t be surprised if we brought a completely new number 1! | | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 14:24 - Jul 8 with 467 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:22 - Jul 8 by Ryorry |
"A few ricks" really does not cover his persistent complete absence of communication - a very serious underlying constant in all his performances. Keepers are supposed to be part of a *team*. Hence other team members & KM losing trust in him. Fundamental underlying issue. |
"Hence other team members & KM losing trust in him"
Where have you heard or read this? |  |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 14:28 - Jul 8 with 465 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 12:38 - Jul 8 by Ryorry |
As I said, you've ignored other factors - and I've not seen any "Muric *haters*", just fans who feel incredibly disappointed & frustrated that his howlers cost us crucial points.
As for "best keeper" - well, you've said that he had 18 games to prove that he was. Unfortunately he didn't. |
So maybe you should do some more in-depth analysis, because until you do that, your position is purely speculative whereas I've presented some simple analysis that suggests that (based on our points return), he was the better keeper. | | | |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 14:41 - Jul 8 with 449 views | baxterbasics |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 14:24 - Jul 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"Hence other team members & KM losing trust in him"
Where have you heard or read this? |
It seems to be entirely based on an apparent lack of communication in-game.
There's nothing else anywhere to suggest they don't have any trust. Nothing has been said. |  |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 14:49 - Jul 8 with 432 views | Ryorry |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 14:28 - Jul 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
So maybe you should do some more in-depth analysis, because until you do that, your position is purely speculative whereas I've presented some simple analysis that suggests that (based on our points return), he was the better keeper. |
"I've presented some *simple* analysis" (my emphasis).
My point exactly!
I'll leave the in-depth analysis to KM thanks - who saw fit to replace Muric with Palmer, and then keep him as #1. | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 14:53 - Jul 8 with 426 views | Ryorry |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 14:24 - Jul 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"Hence other team members & KM losing trust in him"
Where have you heard or read this? |
You're not one of those who reported hearing Morsy repeatedly yelling at him to communicate more then.
The fact that KM replaced him & then kept Palmer between the sticks is a rather large clue as well. | |
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| I hope we give Muric another go on 14:55 - Jul 8 with 419 views | itfcjoe |
| I hope we give Muric another go on 14:24 - Jul 8 by Cheltenham_Blue |
"Hence other team members & KM losing trust in him"
Where have you heard or read this? |
It was fairly obvious just from looking at it, and the fact McKenna dropped him and then when he had to come back in for a game we signed a new keeper the next day | |
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