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Macron's got it right hasn't he? It's just too easy and tempting to work illegally here, and lack of an easy to check identity system makes it impossible for law enforcement to even consider following anything up, doesn't it?
Not sure if this issue would follow traditional left/right political allegiances. What say you?
If you've got nothing to hide, why not?
If it improves efficiency in so many ways, doesn't it effectively put money in everybody's pocket (if you want to look at it like that)?
Doesn't it promote honesty and openness in society?
Why do some people find it offensive on ideological grounds?
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 08:09 - Jul 11 by NthQldITFC
Macron's got it right hasn't he? It's just too easy and tempting to work illegally here, and lack of an easy to check identity system makes it impossible for law enforcement to even consider following anything up, doesn't it?
Not sure if this issue would follow traditional left/right political allegiances. What say you?
If you've got nothing to hide, why not?
If it improves efficiency in so many ways, doesn't it effectively put money in everybody's pocket (if you want to look at it like that)?
Doesn't it promote honesty and openness in society?
Why do some people find it offensive on ideological grounds?
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30 odd years ago I was dead against it all very big brother .. but the fact we now live in an age where we are all filmed,scanned,registered,monitored,interconnected and algorithmed …. I see no issue now that bird has flown. I have one .. most countries do, I don’t use it much and it’s not a hassle. Politically in the old days I have a feeling in the UK traditional labour were more keen than traditional conservatives on having one….but I could be wrong there.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 08:16 - Jul 11 by Keno
I’ve got one already - driving license
I guess I'm talking about something where, if not compulsory, not having one makes it much harder to cheat the system whether for the individual or the employer. I would also have no problem with the police having a bit longer to detain someone without an identity card if the mass take-up also reduced police workload.
A driving license doesn't fit the bill for that as a large percentage won't drive through age, choice or opportunity.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 08:16 - Jul 11 by Keno
I’ve got one already - driving license
And if you are employing someone and you don't get a valid National Insurance number from them then you are probably a dodgy employer - and a much bigger problem than migrants without valid identity documents.
The number voting in favour of ID cards on this poll makes me wonder if Chico is right and the United Kingdom voters are deluded enough to vote in Reform at the next election.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 08:34 - Jul 11 by BasingstokeBlue
The passport is too cumbersome/precious to carry around all the time.
Although the advice when you are travelling outside of the United Kingdom is that you carry a photocopy of the relevant two pages with you if you don't carry the full passport around. They can fold up in your back pocket etc. without even spoiling the line of your clothes.
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 08:40 - Jul 11 by WeWereZombies
Although the advice when you are travelling outside of the United Kingdom is that you carry a photocopy of the relevant two pages with you if you don't carry the full passport around. They can fold up in your back pocket etc. without even spoiling the line of your clothes.
I do that but also have my driving licence in my small wallet, and have a photo of my passport on my phone.
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How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 08:47 - Jul 11 with 2045 views
We are so far past the need to worry about the Govt tracking you from a civil liberties stand point - everyone walks around with a smartphone now which is more than an identity card.
If serious about controlling immigration and illegal immigration an ID card is a must
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 08:29 - Jul 11 by WeWereZombies
And if you are employing someone and you don't get a valid National Insurance number from them then you are probably a dodgy employer - and a much bigger problem than migrants without valid identity documents.
The number voting in favour of ID cards on this poll makes me wonder if Chico is right and the United Kingdom voters are deluded enough to vote in Reform at the next election.
You can get an NI number and employ someone, and pay that person....but if they sub that work out to a friend then what can you do? If the job is on a shop floor you know, if it is a deliveroo driver or a cabbie or something where they don't need to check in then no way of keeping on top of it
Not an issue in principle, the challenge is security/privicay, implementation and cost.
I'm generally in favor of the idea, as it offers benefits such as improved security, simplified access to services and more consistent verification processes.
However, I think it’s important to understand how it would actually be implemented and used; What data would be collected, how privacy would be protected, and how the system would be managed to prevent misuse.
It's worth looking at Estonia’s digital ID system as a good example of how an ID system is implemented as their verification/authentication mechanisms have signiifcantly reduced mis-use, compared to the privacy and data concerns arpound India’s Aadhaar system.
There are so many potential benefits but also we need to carefully consider the costs, privacy issues, and how to ensure the system is secure and manageable in the long run.
Then their will be the civil liberties and ethical arguments around data privacy and government overreach. Ironically I have found extensive arguments against systems such as this within groups on facebook etc.
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How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 09:01 - Jul 11 with 1957 views
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 08:49 - Jul 11 by itfcjoe
You can get an NI number and employ someone, and pay that person....but if they sub that work out to a friend then what can you do? If the job is on a shop floor you know, if it is a deliveroo driver or a cabbie or something where they don't need to check in then no way of keeping on top of it
If you don't know what your employees are doing then there might be a problem with your management structure, The problem with taxi drivers wouldn't go away with an identity card, it would just be one more thing to forge (and one extra level of bureaucracy to confuse us all with, including the authorities) and a lack of traceability is also a problem for issues like sexual assault. It is a hassle to run a tight ship in terms of employment law but it is also necessary if you want a civil society (and if Deliveroo make that too difficult then their business model has to be cracked down on, which is what happened with Uber - a link to the other thread about how to get our balance of payments righted by lessening tax avoidance here.)
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 08:47 - Jul 11 by itfcjoe
We are so far past the need to worry about the Govt tracking you from a civil liberties stand point - everyone walks around with a smartphone now which is more than an identity card.
If serious about controlling immigration and illegal immigration an ID card is a must
Your first sentence is the key in my mind - 95% of us are passively tracked daily through existing systems.
My phone tracks my location and travel My work ID badge tracks when I am in an office, whether that is London, WItham, New York, LA etc My computer tracks my internet usage Social media knows what I like based on click habits / group memberships Medical records, spend patterns, shopping habits are all tracked
All of the above are tracked and recorded, and available to the government pending a suitable court order.
Very few people are truly off grid.
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How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 09:07 - Jul 11 with 1934 views
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 09:01 - Jul 11 by WeWereZombies
If you don't know what your employees are doing then there might be a problem with your management structure, The problem with taxi drivers wouldn't go away with an identity card, it would just be one more thing to forge (and one extra level of bureaucracy to confuse us all with, including the authorities) and a lack of traceability is also a problem for issues like sexual assault. It is a hassle to run a tight ship in terms of employment law but it is also necessary if you want a civil society (and if Deliveroo make that too difficult then their business model has to be cracked down on, which is what happened with Uber - a link to the other thread about how to get our balance of payments righted by lessening tax avoidance here.)
In my, possibly naive, way I see it as a basic infrastructure project to be implemented by a not for profit organisation, whether that's civil service or something else.
It fits with nationalised rail, power, water etc. for me as just a fundamental system which any modern country needs to have in place to make things run well in a low corruption, fair and humane implementation of a welfare state. Any authoritarian misuse would need to heavily stamped down upon, but that's a separate issue and one which we already have anyway with the hodge-podge of inefficient and easily corruptible systems we already have.
And surpringly easy to get a "fake" NI number which will pass checks / validation, and you do not need a NI number to get employment in the UK, just proof of right to work.
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How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 09:16 - Jul 11 with 1879 views
How would you feel about a UK Identity Card? on 08:47 - Jul 11 by itfcjoe
We are so far past the need to worry about the Govt tracking you from a civil liberties stand point - everyone walks around with a smartphone now which is more than an identity card.
If serious about controlling immigration and illegal immigration an ID card is a must
Trouble is, this government and the previous ones aren’t in the least bit serious about controlling immigration/illegal immigration. The only reason they are coming up with nonsense schemes like Ruanda etc is to make it look like they’re interested because they’re afraid of nutty protest groups like reform messing up their vote.
Back to the question, I agree - an ID card is a must. It can consolidate all sorts of stuff on it including driving licence, medical stuff, just about anything.
The only people afraid of ID cards are those with something to hide - in my opinion.
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