| Morsy 17:35 - Jul 14 with 11006 views | bluesbrothers |
Has he travelled? Seen a lot of content that covers a lot of players, but no evidence that he’s there… |  | | |  |
| Morsy on 22:39 - Jul 14 with 3148 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Morsy on 22:32 - Jul 14 by SheffordBlue |
You would think that means we must be really close to getting another CM in then. |
I think we’ve likely already got the #6 in. Not impossible that Morsy could partner him, but I’d imagine getting that deal over the line has helped in sanctioning a move. No doubt 1 or 2 more to follow in CM though, 1 perm and 1 loan I reckon.
Can’t think we would let Morsy stay at home and miss the pre season trip unless it was highly likely that he’s offski. |  | | |
| Morsy on 22:39 - Jul 14 with 3133 views | Mullet |
| Morsy on 22:32 - Jul 14 by SheffordBlue |
You would think that means we must be really close to getting another CM in then. |
Jens and the Mexican lad it is then |  |
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| Morsy on 22:45 - Jul 14 with 3003 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Morsy on 22:39 - Jul 14 by _clive_baker_ |
I think we’ve likely already got the #6 in. Not impossible that Morsy could partner him, but I’d imagine getting that deal over the line has helped in sanctioning a move. No doubt 1 or 2 more to follow in CM though, 1 perm and 1 loan I reckon.
Can’t think we would let Morsy stay at home and miss the pre season trip unless it was highly likely that he’s offski. |
Think after seeing phillips and morsy together we saw it didn't work having effectively two 6's together
With the new signing we've got fresh legs and effectively a morsy in his prime years.
We now need a partner and maybe one more who could do both jobs like a Holland was able to many years ago.
Morsy won't be forgotten any time soon. But there always comes a time when things have to change and we are at that cross road.
We've had the Evans era. We celebrated the sheeran era.
Now it's the halo era which is turning a champ side into a prem ready side. Not a newly promoted league 1 side hoping to compete in the championship.
If we do win promotion this season. We couldn't have a summer next year rebuilding the squad for prem. It has to start now. |  |
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| Morsy on 22:48 - Jul 14 with 2964 views | Keno |
| Morsy on 22:45 - Jul 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Think after seeing phillips and morsy together we saw it didn't work having effectively two 6's together
With the new signing we've got fresh legs and effectively a morsy in his prime years.
We now need a partner and maybe one more who could do both jobs like a Holland was able to many years ago.
Morsy won't be forgotten any time soon. But there always comes a time when things have to change and we are at that cross road.
We've had the Evans era. We celebrated the sheeran era.
Now it's the halo era which is turning a champ side into a prem ready side. Not a newly promoted league 1 side hoping to compete in the championship.
If we do win promotion this season. We couldn't have a summer next year rebuilding the squad for prem. It has to start now. |
Frimmers football genuis!
I said in a post a few weeks we’ve the romance of those 2 seasons but now is the time the serious building starts |  |
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| Morsy on 22:59 - Jul 14 with 2831 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Morsy on 22:45 - Jul 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Think after seeing phillips and morsy together we saw it didn't work having effectively two 6's together
With the new signing we've got fresh legs and effectively a morsy in his prime years.
We now need a partner and maybe one more who could do both jobs like a Holland was able to many years ago.
Morsy won't be forgotten any time soon. But there always comes a time when things have to change and we are at that cross road.
We've had the Evans era. We celebrated the sheeran era.
Now it's the halo era which is turning a champ side into a prem ready side. Not a newly promoted league 1 side hoping to compete in the championship.
If we do win promotion this season. We couldn't have a summer next year rebuilding the squad for prem. It has to start now. |
2 of that profile would work even less effectively this season. Hopefully we’ve now got an upgrade on Morsy. Love SM and wanted him to stick around in a supporting capacity this season tbh, such is his influence, but he’s not the future is he. We’re going to face a lot of sides this season who will set out to frustrate, sit in with a ‘low block’ and need that progressive #6 who can press out of possession but also set a tempo with the ball. Morsy will go down as a superb signing and player for us who played a massive, massive role in dragging the club forward, but we’ve needed someone who makes him droppable for a year now. Phillips could’ve been it, should’ve been it for the money and level he’s played at, but circumstances prevented it for the most part.
Said it last season and stand by it, we came up so short in the middle. No disgrace, there’s levels, and I’ll always be grateful for what Morsy gave us, but we need more. You can count on 1 hand the amount of truly penetrative forward passes he executed last season. Leicester at home being a rare example, but by and large predictable in possession at that level, ponderous on the ball, and made us too easy to play against for the most part. Feels harsh saying it but it’s true. | | | |
| Morsy on 23:10 - Jul 14 with 2700 views | greyhound |
The guy has been an absolute warrior, and it feels horrible to say he's not the future, but realistically I believe that's the junction we are at, we are putting that spine together for the next big push, just like we did when sam joined.
While he's not the future, such is his contribution it's very difficult to argue that he is our past at this moment in time, however for all he's done, he deserves a bit more than a season of bench warming as he is absolutely fit enough to play his trade elsewhere. | | | |
| Morsy on 23:16 - Jul 14 with 2613 views | ReusersTown |
| Morsy on 22:24 - Jul 14 by BessacarrBlue |
Love some implied inside knowledge. Not prepared to be any less vague than this? |
A lot of feckin' weirdos about. | | | |
| Morsy on 23:20 - Jul 14 with 2556 views | ReusersTown |
| Morsy on 22:48 - Jul 14 by Keno |
Frimmers football genuis!
I said in a post a few weeks we’ve the romance of those 2 seasons but now is the time the serious building starts |
And we just trudge towards becoming another one of the soulless franchises in the process. *Cries | | | |
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| Morsy on 23:25 - Jul 14 with 2477 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Morsy on 23:20 - Jul 14 by ReusersTown |
And we just trudge towards becoming another one of the soulless franchises in the process. *Cries |
Is that the Elephant in the room? | | | |
| Morsy on 23:31 - Jul 14 with 2411 views | Churchman |
| Morsy on 22:59 - Jul 14 by _clive_baker_ |
2 of that profile would work even less effectively this season. Hopefully we’ve now got an upgrade on Morsy. Love SM and wanted him to stick around in a supporting capacity this season tbh, such is his influence, but he’s not the future is he. We’re going to face a lot of sides this season who will set out to frustrate, sit in with a ‘low block’ and need that progressive #6 who can press out of possession but also set a tempo with the ball. Morsy will go down as a superb signing and player for us who played a massive, massive role in dragging the club forward, but we’ve needed someone who makes him droppable for a year now. Phillips could’ve been it, should’ve been it for the money and level he’s played at, but circumstances prevented it for the most part.
Said it last season and stand by it, we came up so short in the middle. No disgrace, there’s levels, and I’ll always be grateful for what Morsy gave us, but we need more. You can count on 1 hand the amount of truly penetrative forward passes he executed last season. Leicester at home being a rare example, but by and large predictable in possession at that level, ponderous on the ball, and made us too easy to play against for the most part. Feels harsh saying it but it’s true. |
Pretty much agree with you. However, you do need a ‘water carrier’ type of player and I’d like him to stay another season. .
But not on any terms. He’s 34 in September and he’s not the player he was. Time is catching up with him, just as it does with us all. If he goes to say Derby on a good two year deal I’ll understand it, not least because his family come from the midlands.
All good things come to an end and maybe it’s time for us to revamp and change and for Sam to take on a new challenge in his final years. Notably he’s rarely stayed anywhere more than four years (Wigan: five). Maybe that’s what works for him.
He’s been absolutely fantastic for us as both a player and Captain and if he goes, it will be with good wishes and heartfelt thanks. Terrific character, we’ve been very lucky to have him at the club. |  | | |
| Morsy on 23:54 - Jul 14 with 2291 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Morsy on 23:31 - Jul 14 by Churchman |
Pretty much agree with you. However, you do need a ‘water carrier’ type of player and I’d like him to stay another season. .
But not on any terms. He’s 34 in September and he’s not the player he was. Time is catching up with him, just as it does with us all. If he goes to say Derby on a good two year deal I’ll understand it, not least because his family come from the midlands.
All good things come to an end and maybe it’s time for us to revamp and change and for Sam to take on a new challenge in his final years. Notably he’s rarely stayed anywhere more than four years (Wigan: five). Maybe that’s what works for him.
He’s been absolutely fantastic for us as both a player and Captain and if he goes, it will be with good wishes and heartfelt thanks. Terrific character, we’ve been very lucky to have him at the club. |
Hear, hear.
If he is off though, I just hope we have the opportunity to give him the send off he deserves. | | | |
| Morsy on 23:57 - Jul 14 with 2253 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Morsy on 23:16 - Jul 14 by ReusersTown |
A lot of feckin' weirdos about. |
And they all catch coaches to games! |  |
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| Morsy on 06:25 - Jul 15 with 1846 views | franz_tyson |
If he's happy enough to take an extra year on his one year remaining contract... then I'd give it. If we get promoted... who cares if we have a 35 year old with a year left on his contract next year we can pay it off easily. If we don't get promoted I still think he'd be a useful squad member in the Championship.
Offload Taylor and keep Morsy who is a known quality. We're bigging up incoming players too easily and writing of a legend too easily. Remember... Kalvin Phillips was supposed to take over from Morsy last season. [Post edited 15 Jul 6:38]
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| Morsy on 07:14 - Jul 15 with 1604 views | Keno |
| Morsy on 23:57 - Jul 14 by Wallingford_Boy |
And they all catch coaches to games! |
or post on interweb message boards? | |
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| Morsy on 07:50 - Jul 15 with 1382 views | Len_Brennan |
If it is confirmed that Sam is not in Austria, well then it does seem that something is imminent. I did not expect him to leave, nor would I wish him to, but I sit up when seeing both Phil & Stuart Watson appearing to recognise it as a real possibility.
We need 2 Morsy type players in the squad; Mutusiwa is really the replacement for Phillips, so if Sam is going too we will need another ball winning #6. Ruiz, Iroegbunam, Miller or ... Cajuste would be more a replacement for Cajuste in the #8 spot, albeit playing in a double pivot. | | | |
| Morsy on 07:54 - Jul 15 with 1352 views | Churchman |
| Morsy on 06:25 - Jul 15 by franz_tyson |
If he's happy enough to take an extra year on his one year remaining contract... then I'd give it. If we get promoted... who cares if we have a 35 year old with a year left on his contract next year we can pay it off easily. If we don't get promoted I still think he'd be a useful squad member in the Championship.
Offload Taylor and keep Morsy who is a known quality. We're bigging up incoming players too easily and writing of a legend too easily. Remember... Kalvin Phillips was supposed to take over from Morsy last season. [Post edited 15 Jul 6:38]
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Fair points. I guess it depends on a number of things
1. Is there any substance to the rumours?
2. What does Sam want to do and what are his priorities? - it’s his career
3. What is the club looking to do - plan and build for the future, ‘upgrade’, pull its financial horns in because the owners want to realise their profits (sale)?
All speculation with no basis whatsoever. Literally just thoughts based on nothing as nobody but him and the club know anything. The only certainty beyond death and taxes is that Sam will move on at some point and his playing career will come to an end.
Looking back at his career on Wiki, I’m sure he will see his time at ITFC as the pinnacle. To achieve what he has late in his career does him and the club credit. | | | |
| Morsy on 08:04 - Jul 15 with 1268 views | bluesbrothers |
| Morsy on 07:54 - Jul 15 by Churchman |
Fair points. I guess it depends on a number of things
1. Is there any substance to the rumours?
2. What does Sam want to do and what are his priorities? - it’s his career
3. What is the club looking to do - plan and build for the future, ‘upgrade’, pull its financial horns in because the owners want to realise their profits (sale)?
All speculation with no basis whatsoever. Literally just thoughts based on nothing as nobody but him and the club know anything. The only certainty beyond death and taxes is that Sam will move on at some point and his playing career will come to an end.
Looking back at his career on Wiki, I’m sure he will see his time at ITFC as the pinnacle. To achieve what he has late in his career does him and the club credit. |
Why do people insist on saying comments like “nobody but him and the club know anything” - surely no one actually believes themselves when they say that. He’s going. I don’t know where but he’s going. I really hope that means we are very confident on further incomings but, again, can’t say that as fact. | | | |
| Morsy on 08:19 - Jul 15 with 1113 views | bluesym |
| Morsy on 06:25 - Jul 15 by franz_tyson |
If he's happy enough to take an extra year on his one year remaining contract... then I'd give it. If we get promoted... who cares if we have a 35 year old with a year left on his contract next year we can pay it off easily. If we don't get promoted I still think he'd be a useful squad member in the Championship.
Offload Taylor and keep Morsy who is a known quality. We're bigging up incoming players too easily and writing of a legend too easily. Remember... Kalvin Phillips was supposed to take over from Morsy last season. [Post edited 15 Jul 6:38]
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My thoughts exactly. Seems a huge risk allowing him to leave IMO. |  |
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| Morsy on 08:26 - Jul 15 with 1049 views | nrb1985 |
| Morsy on 08:19 - Jul 15 by bluesym |
My thoughts exactly. Seems a huge risk allowing him to leave IMO. |
On paper it really looks like a clanger.
Huge backroom staff turnover plus overseas signings coming in, in addition to losing burgess and Axel.
Now we are going to let the captain go too rather than give him another year? And replace him with untested overseas players…
Trust MA and the process and all that but this looks like a hell of a gamble, where our downside at first glance is much bigger than our upside. In fact, I’m not even sure there is an upside here other than getting in a relative pittance of a transfer fee?
Somebody make it make sense. | | | |
| Morsy on 08:33 - Jul 15 with 941 views | portmanking |
| Morsy on 08:26 - Jul 15 by nrb1985 |
On paper it really looks like a clanger.
Huge backroom staff turnover plus overseas signings coming in, in addition to losing burgess and Axel.
Now we are going to let the captain go too rather than give him another year? And replace him with untested overseas players…
Trust MA and the process and all that but this looks like a hell of a gamble, where our downside at first glance is much bigger than our upside. In fact, I’m not even sure there is an upside here other than getting in a relative pittance of a transfer fee?
Somebody make it make sense. |
Somebody make it make sense?
Well, using our significant financial advantage over the rest of the Championship to futureproof our midfield isn't a bad reason...
You have to remember our Egyptian King is 34 at the start of this season. He's been a huge part of our success, but is he realistically going to be part of our next chapter? No. Separate the romanticism and it's a sensible move for all parties. [Post edited 15 Jul 8:35]
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| Morsy on 08:34 - Jul 15 with 937 views | boysof1981 |
| Morsy on 22:32 - Jul 14 by Mullet |
Seems to be an open secret he’s still in Ipswich and will be moving on this summer. I’d rather the Saudi stuff was true and he ends up there than going to someone in this division.
Presumably we are prepared to pay him enough to free up space and wages too. |
Wonder what the wage difference is? He must be on a much better wage here than Derby can offer, even if it’s an additional year he’s after. Surely the only reason must be he’s been told he’s not guaranteed a place with the players incoming. Could understand a year or two in Saudi would see him up for life, but Derby??? [Post edited 15 Jul 8:41]
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| Morsy on 08:34 - Jul 15 with 929 views | SheffordBlue |
| Morsy on 08:26 - Jul 15 by nrb1985 |
On paper it really looks like a clanger.
Huge backroom staff turnover plus overseas signings coming in, in addition to losing burgess and Axel.
Now we are going to let the captain go too rather than give him another year? And replace him with untested overseas players…
Trust MA and the process and all that but this looks like a hell of a gamble, where our downside at first glance is much bigger than our upside. In fact, I’m not even sure there is an upside here other than getting in a relative pittance of a transfer fee?
Somebody make it make sense. |
Not sure the backroom churn is quite as much an issue:
We're still up 1 member of first team coaching staff compared with last time in the Championship. Aluko may well take over from Grant working with the forwards and has had a year learning on the job.
Strength and Conditioning Dept - looks like a managed change. Internal promotion on the same day as Mukandi leaves with an immediate backfill into the promoted person's role.
Undoubtedly we'll lose a lot if Morsy goes but O'Shea has been groomed as the heir apparent over the course of the season. Morsy is also likely to be one of the highest paid players and getting him off the wage bill might free up the money to get another big ticket CM with longer term potential | |
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| Morsy on 08:46 - Jul 15 with 826 views | Smoresy |
This is a big shame.
I fully agree with Clive's comments on how the midfield fared last season. Equally though, Morsy remains plenty fit enough for the rigours of the Championship, hence why he's leaving to keep his minutes high. We need more talent in this position if we're to achieve the ultimate objective, no doubt, but his experience playing for McKenna, and his continued qualities at the level we've returned to, well they would have made him a great asset in the present still.
*I have no inside knowledge pertaining to ITFC but know bluesbrothers has been reliable in the past. Direction of travel in these threads seems pretty clear! | | | |
| Morsy on 08:47 - Jul 15 with 818 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
I would obviously like Sam to see out his contract but he knows and we know its very unlikely to be extended beyond that. I think having him around even if not playing would be good for the squad
He has been fantastic for this club. I am so grateful for what he has helped us achieve and the culture he has helped instill.
He may want to keep playing and if he has an offer for 2 or 3 years somewhere I cant blame him for wanting that. I am sure it will be a discussion with the club taking more of a we'd like you to stay but won't stand in your way approach which is fair. He's earned the right to make his own decision there. |  |
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| Morsy on 08:50 - Jul 15 with 776 views | Jon_456 |
| Morsy on 08:04 - Jul 15 by bluesbrothers |
Why do people insist on saying comments like “nobody but him and the club know anything” - surely no one actually believes themselves when they say that. He’s going. I don’t know where but he’s going. I really hope that means we are very confident on further incomings but, again, can’t say that as fact. |
Because most seem to forget footballers are real people rather than these figures that strictly turn up to training 5 days a week, play matches at the weekends and don’t have any family or friends outside of this.
I don’t get many def info’s but had heard about Morsy last week, although at the time assumed it was to Saudi. | | | |
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