| Brentford know what they're doing 10:00 - Jul 16 with 4976 views | Zx1988 |
I can't imagine that Brentford failing to meet the terms of Omari's clause was an accident or an oversight on their part.
It feels as if their tactic is to unsettle Omari, and then try and get a better deal than the clause would have allowed for. |  |
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| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:28 - Jul 16 with 1304 views | Big_Jase |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:24 - Jul 16 by _clive_baker_ |
Quite. When you pay £20m+ for a player unproven at Premier League level you're taking a bit of a punt. If he wants out now we're relegated that's up to him, but we own his registration for another 4 years and hold the cards. That's how it works, Brentford will need to put up or shut up. |
Agreed. It will get done but don’t understand this nervousness that somehow we will now accept less! |  |
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| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:34 - Jul 16 with 1254 views | Leaky |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:22 - Jul 16 by Guthrum |
It's more that the minimum threshold giving a hard refuse has now gone. If Brentford offer lower and the player is determined to go, then we are somewhat caught.
Do we attempt to hold Hutchinson to his contract against his will? That can get messy and be a source of disruption in the dressing room. Possibly deprive us of his services anyway if he goes on strike. What are we going to do, sack him? |
If he goes on strike can we sue him for breach of contract, or does he have the right to withdraw his labour. |  | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:35 - Jul 16 with 1242 views | farkenhell |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:22 - Jul 16 by Guthrum |
It's more that the minimum threshold giving a hard refuse has now gone. If Brentford offer lower and the player is determined to go, then we are somewhat caught.
Do we attempt to hold Hutchinson to his contract against his will? That can get messy and be a source of disruption in the dressing room. Possibly deprive us of his services anyway if he goes on strike. What are we going to do, sack him? |
We're not caught if Brentford should now offer lower than £35 million. Quite the opposite in fact. The club now hold all the cards, regardless of how unhappy Omari might be. | | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:36 - Jul 16 with 1235 views | floridaboy |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:15 - Jul 16 by Radlett_blue |
Indeed, it works both ways. If no-one else is interested, Brentford might feel they can get Omari for £25m, especially if he is desperate to be in the PL next season. |
The club do not need to sell. He is contracted for another 4 years. If Brentford won't pay the £35m or more then the club can tell them to politely go away.
Why would he want to go to Brentford. Must be amongst the favourites to go down. Lost one of the best managers in the league, their captain plus a few more look like leaving. | | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:36 - Jul 16 with 1235 views | Wright1 |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:10 - Jul 16 by Kieran_Knows |
Which winds me up when Ashton gets his pants in a twist and blames supporters for 'leaking' info, when the club are happy to brief/pay Fabrizio to get stories/announcements out there.
But hey, what do I know! |
Coincidence that the two stories started around the same time? Does Omari ultimately fund Hackney plus one more? | | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:36 - Jul 16 with 1233 views | Guthrum |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:27 - Jul 16 by Big_Jase |
Disagree on this, if they offered 35m they aren’t all of a sudden going to offer less.
The clause would have been 35m if paid up front, they obviously didn’t do this. I still think we accept £35m but with more cash up front than they were offering yesterday and perhaps a bigger sell on.
If not Omari has 4 years left on his contract, he might be perturbed for a bit, but ultimately he’s a professional and will give his all and his value only goes up in my opinion. |
Indeed. Not saying my scenario is the likely one, just possible if they wanted to play hard-ball with a Champ club. They should have a fair bit of money to play with if/when Mbuemo goes.
A bit difficult to read Hutchinson's character (haven't seen many interviews), but as someone McKenna is very keen on and a member of the apparently tight-knit ITFC dressing room for a couple of years, I doubt he's the kind to be stroppy. But there is an agent in the offing, too. |  |
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| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:41 - Jul 16 with 1195 views | portmanking |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:36 - Jul 16 by Guthrum |
Indeed. Not saying my scenario is the likely one, just possible if they wanted to play hard-ball with a Champ club. They should have a fair bit of money to play with if/when Mbuemo goes.
A bit difficult to read Hutchinson's character (haven't seen many interviews), but as someone McKenna is very keen on and a member of the apparently tight-knit ITFC dressing room for a couple of years, I doubt he's the kind to be stroppy. But there is an agent in the offing, too. |
SSN saying Hutchinson is disappointed about the move not being done = obvious agent speak being fed to their reporters.
Agent disappointed about missing out on his next payday.
Omari needs to have an hour alone with McKenna to talk football. We've been good for him just as much as he's been good for us. I feel like Brentford won't be the step up he really needs, if he is to move on. | | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:43 - Jul 16 with 1164 views | ReusersTown |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:22 - Jul 16 by Guthrum |
It's more that the minimum threshold giving a hard refuse has now gone. If Brentford offer lower and the player is determined to go, then we are somewhat caught.
Do we attempt to hold Hutchinson to his contract against his will? That can get messy and be a source of disruption in the dressing room. Possibly deprive us of his services anyway if he goes on strike. What are we going to do, sack him? |
Then surely the situation is no different? The release clause is completely irrelevant in that case. | | | |
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| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:45 - Jul 16 with 1152 views | Guthrum |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:41 - Jul 16 by portmanking |
SSN saying Hutchinson is disappointed about the move not being done = obvious agent speak being fed to their reporters.
Agent disappointed about missing out on his next payday.
Omari needs to have an hour alone with McKenna to talk football. We've been good for him just as much as he's been good for us. I feel like Brentford won't be the step up he really needs, if he is to move on. |
However, Brentford are the only ones in the game at the moment. It's possible that some of this noise is an attempt to stir up interest from other clubs, with the aim of giving other options and maybe sparking a bidding contest. | |
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| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:46 - Jul 16 with 1140 views | ReusersTown |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:36 - Jul 16 by Wright1 |
Coincidence that the two stories started around the same time? Does Omari ultimately fund Hackney plus one more? |
No he doesn't.The money is there already. [Post edited 16 Jul 10:46]
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| Brentford know what they're doing on 11:14 - Jul 16 with 1009 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:22 - Jul 16 by Guthrum |
It's more that the minimum threshold giving a hard refuse has now gone. If Brentford offer lower and the player is determined to go, then we are somewhat caught.
Do we attempt to hold Hutchinson to his contract against his will? That can get messy and be a source of disruption in the dressing room. Possibly deprive us of his services anyway if he goes on strike. What are we going to do, sack him? |
No. We say to Hutchinson that they were prepared to pay the full £35M before albeit over time and now they aren't. Why has their valuation of him decreased? Ours hasn't. Does he want to join a club that doesn't value him as highly as we, his agent and they once did?
Ultimately, there is likely a deal to be done with clauses that are better than the release clause offered. It will be for £35M though. That is the value all have set on the player previously and it would be hard for Town to justify to Hutchinson that we were turning down a deal slightly better simply because it is a little late. |  |
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| Brentford know what they're doing on 11:30 - Jul 16 with 948 views | Dennyx4 |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:06 - Jul 16 by StokieBlue |
That is what they offered according to Phil and we turned it down.
Good stuff from Town, no need to be pushovers even if it does happen.
SB |
Thought they actually bid £35m spread over a period. I can see them maybe offering higher than the release clause, but spread over longer. |  | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 11:34 - Jul 16 with 929 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 11:30 - Jul 16 by Dennyx4 |
Thought they actually bid £35m spread over a period. I can see them maybe offering higher than the release clause, but spread over longer. |
I expect it will be £35M spread over some period but with various add-ons based on things like a full England appearance, Brentford staying up/qualifying for Europe, etc and a sell-on clause. We could even get a buy-back clause inserted for the contingency we go up and they are relegated. These are all things that we couldn't have inserted had they simply met the terms of the release clause on time. | |
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| Brentford know what they're doing on 11:42 - Jul 16 with 869 views | Bobbychase |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:36 - Jul 16 by Guthrum |
Indeed. Not saying my scenario is the likely one, just possible if they wanted to play hard-ball with a Champ club. They should have a fair bit of money to play with if/when Mbuemo goes.
A bit difficult to read Hutchinson's character (haven't seen many interviews), but as someone McKenna is very keen on and a member of the apparently tight-knit ITFC dressing room for a couple of years, I doubt he's the kind to be stroppy. But there is an agent in the offing, too. |
Setting aside the money, I wonder how good a move this is for Omari. He's still raw and learning, whereas Mbuemo delivered for Brentford last season - 20 goals and seven assists.
There would be immediate pressure to replace the assists/goals of the player you replace and I always think that's a lot on the shoulders of a young player. |  |
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| Brentford know what they're doing on 11:45 - Jul 16 with 849 views | topguy |
its always players want this or that move they may do but they also know they are on a long contract and its not in their gift so throwing you toys out the pram wont help, didnt brentfords player say he wanted the utd move they are firm on what they want, same as gnoto he threw his toys out the pram till leeds said no and after the window slinked back and picked his toys up, he can go if we are offered a deal we can accept or he stays | | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 11:54 - Jul 16 with 794 views | trncbluearmy |
Not sure about that
We can now price exactly as we wish and it ain't gonna be less
Their best bet was to much our trigger terns, that was the best deal they were going to get |  | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:09 - Jul 16 with 741 views | football |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:22 - Jul 16 by Guthrum |
It's more that the minimum threshold giving a hard refuse has now gone. If Brentford offer lower and the player is determined to go, then we are somewhat caught.
Do we attempt to hold Hutchinson to his contract against his will? That can get messy and be a source of disruption in the dressing room. Possibly deprive us of his services anyway if he goes on strike. What are we going to do, sack him? |
Who says he is unhappy and its against his will. He's currently on holiday relaxing and not made any statements. We have no idea what is in his head | | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:29 - Jul 16 with 671 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:22 - Jul 16 by Guthrum |
It's more that the minimum threshold giving a hard refuse has now gone. If Brentford offer lower and the player is determined to go, then we are somewhat caught.
Do we attempt to hold Hutchinson to his contract against his will? That can get messy and be a source of disruption in the dressing room. Possibly deprive us of his services anyway if he goes on strike. What are we going to do, sack him? |
You'd do pretty well to find precedent of this really happening. He wouldn't be the first player of Premier League quality and with Premier League interest who ended up staying with their Championship teams.
They're well paid individuals but more often than not, they unlikely to do things that will reduce what they earn. Things like striking, transfer requests will just result in him losing money.
Luca Koleosho didn't get his move last year, Latte Lath didn't get his move, Gnonto didn't get his move, Hamer didn't get his move and that's just last summer. | | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:32 - Jul 16 with 652 views | J2BLUE |
They will be quibbling about payment terms, not the fee.
There is zero chance we take less than £35m |  |
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| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:35 - Jul 16 with 607 views | WestSussexBlue |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:10 - Jul 16 by _clive_baker_ |
He's got 4 years left on his contract. Its quite simple they either meet our valuation for him and he goes, or they don't and he doesn't. |
Unless of the player wants to move, if that’s the case we all need to reach an agreement surely otherwise we have an unhappy Omari on our hands. | | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:43 - Jul 16 with 543 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:35 - Jul 16 by WestSussexBlue |
Unless of the player wants to move, if that’s the case we all need to reach an agreement surely otherwise we have an unhappy Omari on our hands. |
Obviously the player wants the move .... he wouldn't be the first unhappy player in Football who does not get the move they want. Look at Mbuemo ... Brentford have been holding out for weeks and weeks. It happens in the Championship multiple times every year, Latte Lath in the summer, Hackney in January etc
We have to get the absolute best deal for the club wether Omari is happy or not. | | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:49 - Jul 16 with 476 views | boysof1981 |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 10:10 - Jul 16 by _clive_baker_ |
He's got 4 years left on his contract. Its quite simple they either meet our valuation for him and he goes, or they don't and he doesn't. |
Not if Omari and his agent play up because he wants out. My guess is we won’t see him in an Ipswich shirt again. | | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:55 - Jul 16 with 427 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:49 - Jul 16 by boysof1981 |
Not if Omari and his agent play up because he wants out. My guess is we won’t see him in an Ipswich shirt again. |
That would be my guess too, but it won't be a deal that's worth less to us that we were offered yesterday, that's the point I was making. Players with 4 years left on their contract can't really just kick up a fuss and force a move for less than their market value. Its not within their gift to get us to accept an offer.
We have a valuation and we hold the cards here. The fact Brentford made the offer they did yesterday suggests they're probably already in the sort of ball park we're looking for, which also suggests its probably a deal that will get done. |  | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:56 - Jul 16 with 410 views | boysof1981 |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:09 - Jul 16 by football |
Who says he is unhappy and its against his will. He's currently on holiday relaxing and not made any statements. We have no idea what is in his head |
Been reported he’s unhappy the move wasn’t allowed. He’s definitely off, just a question of when we accept the offer, and on what terms. Hopefully it’s soon so KM can plan the season without him and if/who replaces him | | | |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 13:04 - Jul 16 with 345 views | BloomBlue |
| Brentford know what they're doing on 12:43 - Jul 16 by Bellevue_Blue |
Obviously the player wants the move .... he wouldn't be the first unhappy player in Football who does not get the move they want. Look at Mbuemo ... Brentford have been holding out for weeks and weeks. It happens in the Championship multiple times every year, Latte Lath in the summer, Hackney in January etc
We have to get the absolute best deal for the club wether Omari is happy or not. |
Gnonto went on strike at Leeds 2 seasons ago because he wanted a move to the PL. Leeds told him to swivel, as he was under contract and they would only sell if it benefit the club. He was very unhappy, but eventually stopped crying and came off strike and started playing/enjoying it again. |  | | |
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