| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo 13:09 - Jul 16 with 3843 views | _clive_baker_ |
All in 1 window. End of an era innit.
Presumably Muric too, although that one is more end of an error.
Lot of change, lot of pressure on the recruitment this summer. |  | | |  |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 15:02 - Jul 16 with 948 views | topguy |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 13:20 - Jul 16 by Kieran_Knows |
I make it potentially another 8 that could leave;
Muric - obvious reasons
Slicker - clearly needs a loan
Taylor - has he done enough the last 2 years?
Al-Hamadi - probably time to move on.
Johnson - has been linked with a move elsewhere
Walton - will he want another year as a number 2?
Humphreys - can't see him getting enough game time this season
Broadhead - was almost out the door last summer.
Add in Morsy and Hutchinson and your at 10. Of course they won't all go, but plenty of gaps to fill in my opinion, and you're right, we look well short given the season is 3 weeks away. [Post edited 16 Jul 13:20]
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But we are near the squad limit now if not over yes we need to lose players not for any other reason than if we dont we couldnt register them all anyway we get say 2xCCMs a ST and a RB we need 4 to go on top of who has left, most that have left barr morsy were also expected to go. |  | | |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 15:43 - Jul 16 with 894 views | Smoresy |
At least the defence has had decent time together, with Kipre our only new defender. We may sign an alternative RB to make it two, but there's a back unit there including keepers who know each other well.
Same too in attack I'd suggest, albeit Jaden and Chie have had very little time in full match scenarios, and Szmodics has been injured a fair bit, and Wes is injured for a while. They aren't a group of strangers.
The middle offers no such gloss but hopefully this is where the quick learners are found. | | | |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 15:51 - Jul 16 with 874 views | SomethingBlue |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 15:43 - Jul 16 by Smoresy |
At least the defence has had decent time together, with Kipre our only new defender. We may sign an alternative RB to make it two, but there's a back unit there including keepers who know each other well.
Same too in attack I'd suggest, albeit Jaden and Chie have had very little time in full match scenarios, and Szmodics has been injured a fair bit, and Wes is injured for a while. They aren't a group of strangers.
The middle offers no such gloss but hopefully this is where the quick learners are found. |
I would say we have a big problem on the right-hand side. Perhaps Ogbene will come back as the player he was before but even then I've never had him down as someone who would rip up the league, more a system player like Burns. As for Wes, we won't see him for a while yet and he'll be 31, we have to accept we've likely seen the best of him. Philogene can operate out there but jury is out on whether he can do so in the way we or he want. Johnson should be fine in the Champ at RB or a more conservative wing role but not further forwards. It's an utterly crucial part of our attack for which we don't currently have a good answer. [Post edited 16 Jul 15:51]
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| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 15:58 - Jul 16 with 852 views | Hackneyblueboy |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 13:45 - Jul 16 by SomethingBlue |
I need to see that whoever we bring in really moves the dial, that's for sure. There are 10-12 teams in the Championship who can drop £8m on a nice player or two. We have lost a lot of what got us up the first time, both tangibles and crucial intangibles, and while evolution is natural it will take a humungous effort from McKenna to create something similarly formidable. I'm not saying he can't do it and reserve the right to be in full p7ss the league mode a month from now but I think we are in a for a bigger scrap than most people are quite ready for. [Post edited 16 Jul 13:58]
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I understand the concern, it does seem like a lot of change.
That said as other posters have pointed out, even if you remove Omari we still can field an incredibly strong line up at this level and with the expectation we will use the money to buy some top quality players. Maybe 3 or 4 more to come in. For example
Palmer
Johnson O'Shea Greaves Davis
Matusiwa New CM
Philogene Szmodics Clarke
Hirst
That leaves, Woolfy, H Clarke, Townsend, Humphries, Burns, Chappers, Ogbene, Broadhead, Walton, Jack Taylor
So if we assume Muric, Slicker, Al Hamidi plus Omari leaves plus maybe 1 or two more of the above, then adding 4-5 top players at this level would leave us in a strong position.
Also looking at Burnley last season and they seem to have lost 7-8 first teamers and still got almost 100 points. | | | |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 00:24 - Jul 17 with 757 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 13:14 - Jul 16 by SomethingBlue |
It's a lot. We have a mountain to climb and I think we can scale it but there is tonnes to do in very short order before I can put us among the automatic promotion contenders. People need to be ready for some difficulties ahead. [Post edited 16 Jul 13:14]
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Disagree wholeheartedly with this. It will take a while to get everyone sorted but to say we are not contenders is ridiculous. Half of those players would have been on the bench, Delap was always going, I said Omari would go as well. Our squad should still be miles too good for most of this league, unless our recruitment really was that bad last summer which I doubt.
Probably 4-5 more to come in.
A lot of the players will be upgrades to some aging vets.
Won’t happen overnight but if we find our groove by the end of September we will be fine. |  | | |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 00:25 - Jul 17 with 751 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 15:02 - Jul 16 by billlm |
Seems a mess to me,
In the championship you don't have much time before your playing catch up,
To many changes with a squad that would have been top 4 easily,
Il wait for the mud October patience it takes time to gel, |
None of those leaving should be a huge surprise. [Post edited 17 Jul 0:29]
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| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 00:28 - Jul 17 with 748 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 14:13 - Jul 16 by flykickingbybgunn |
There is a lot of negativity on here.
Yes
I would welcome a few additions and clearly we are over saturated with goalkeepers
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But personally I believe we have forwards here now that are quite capable of tearing most Champs defences a new one. |
We were having to bring on Ali, Harness and Taylor to start our PL campaign.
Feels like some want to hold onto the league 1 team rather than seek out 8 figure upgrades. Blinded by nostalgia and all that. I know it probably sounds arrogant but our squad will be too good most teams we play I think. | | | |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 03:11 - Jul 17 with 697 views | itfctilidie |
Delap - yet to be replaced
Hutch - hasn't even left
Tuanzebe - Johnson and Clarke (already at the club)
Burgess > Kipre
Morsy - Matusiwa
Luongo - yet to be replaced
Overall, not doing too bad in terms of recruiting, just 2 more out of the list to be replaced and still 3 weeks until the start of the season. |  | | |
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| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 07:00 - Jul 17 with 630 views | Pique |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 03:11 - Jul 17 by itfctilidie |
Delap - yet to be replaced
Hutch - hasn't even left
Tuanzebe - Johnson and Clarke (already at the club)
Burgess > Kipre
Morsy - Matusiwa
Luongo - yet to be replaced
Overall, not doing too bad in terms of recruiting, just 2 more out of the list to be replaced and still 3 weeks until the start of the season. |
I think the OP's point was more about the core of experience we've lost/might lose rather than just the numbers.
We've also lost Phillips and Cajuste, so need more than two in the next few weeks. |  | | |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 07:28 - Jul 17 with 576 views | Benters |
Yes it is and with a rebuild it will take time in the season for it to click.
That’s why when people say top two easily, definitely,for me I’d be happy with a top six finish. |  |
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| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 07:58 - Jul 17 with 528 views | itfctilidie |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 07:28 - Jul 17 by Benters |
Yes it is and with a rebuild it will take time in the season for it to click.
That’s why when people say top two easily, definitely,for me I’d be happy with a top six finish. |
I think you mean 'gel' | | | |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 08:16 - Jul 17 with 498 views | Herbivore |
I'm not too worried to be honest. Even with some of the possible departures touted, we're not looking at an unusual amount of churn for a newly relegated side. Burnley had something like 40+ total departures and arrivals last season and managed to go up automatically. We have a very strong squad relative to the league and the ability to add to it significantly and the advantage that gives us shouldn't be underestimated. Of course the Championship won't be easy but I'd imagine almost every side in the league would be happy to trade places with us right now with the squad we have, the resources we have, and a top manager who's been here for 3 years and gives us that stability.
Even if Hutch goes, and it is still an if at this point, we can start the season with the following:
Palmer
Johnson
O'Shea
Greaves
Davis
Matusiwa
Taylor
Philogene
Chaplin
Clarke
Hirst
Selecting that side involved a couple of tough picks as well, Szmodics could easily get the nod over Chaplin (I personally prefer Chaplin's ability to link play and his understanding with Hurst), Ogbene could start on the right with Philogene on the left, Kipre could come in for Greaves. The bench still has players that would walk into pretty much every other team. It is also weak in other areas of course, such as CM and up top. But we've got plenty of time to strengthen and the targets we've been linked with look to be top drawer.
It's always hard when we see fan favourites leaving or being linked with moves away, but it shouldn't detract from us being in a strong position relative to the league and our rivals. |  |
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| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 08:24 - Jul 17 with 470 views | Smoresy |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 00:24 - Jul 17 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Disagree wholeheartedly with this. It will take a while to get everyone sorted but to say we are not contenders is ridiculous. Half of those players would have been on the bench, Delap was always going, I said Omari would go as well. Our squad should still be miles too good for most of this league, unless our recruitment really was that bad last summer which I doubt.
Probably 4-5 more to come in.
A lot of the players will be upgrades to some aging vets.
Won’t happen overnight but if we find our groove by the end of September we will be fine. |
I took it more as a judgement on where the squad is today, with for instance Barbrook our 4th choice CM and Tom Taylor out 3rd choice ST, rather than an overall assessment.
Would be a strong overreaction to demote the bookies' favourites from that category otherwise, I agree. Think I'm right that the fav has gone on to win the league in 4 of the past 5 seasons. | | | |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 08:25 - Jul 17 with 460 views | chicoazul |
Why do a few people ITT and elsewhere keep saying Billy Jean is unproven jury’s out etc
He is literally proven in the Championship to be a great player |  |
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| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 08:27 - Jul 17 with 447 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 08:25 - Jul 17 by chicoazul |
Why do a few people ITT and elsewhere keep saying Billy Jean is unproven jury’s out etc
He is literally proven in the Championship to be a great player |
Baffles me too. He is going to the the b0ll0x this season. |  |
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| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 08:49 - Jul 17 with 409 views | Smoresy |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 15:51 - Jul 16 by SomethingBlue |
I would say we have a big problem on the right-hand side. Perhaps Ogbene will come back as the player he was before but even then I've never had him down as someone who would rip up the league, more a system player like Burns. As for Wes, we won't see him for a while yet and he'll be 31, we have to accept we've likely seen the best of him. Philogene can operate out there but jury is out on whether he can do so in the way we or he want. Johnson should be fine in the Champ at RB or a more conservative wing role but not further forwards. It's an utterly crucial part of our attack for which we don't currently have a good answer. [Post edited 16 Jul 15:51]
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Honestly Ogbene for £8m was my #1 gobsmacking signing of last summer, couldn't believe we'd parted with that much cash for him, and my reservations weren't dampened by the (admittedly sparse) online comments (celebrations) of Rotherham fans. He'd suffered a serious hamstring tear in the 12 months prior and there were doubts as to whether he'd recovered his blistering pace.
Then I saw the man in the flesh and he looked like he'd give Burns a serious run for his money (not that Burns was an £8m player himself). My expectations aren't high again based on the injury record but like you say, we held that side with system players for plenty of our previous Championship campaign. I also have it on good authority that his thighs are looking lovely.
Philogene's best work at Villa came without possession, worked his socks off. Don't believe we have a Rashford situation on our hands there. I'm not convinced we're missing a good answer on the right to be honest, as much as we've been denied the opportunity to see it in action. | | | |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 08:58 - Jul 17 with 383 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 08:16 - Jul 17 by Herbivore |
I'm not too worried to be honest. Even with some of the possible departures touted, we're not looking at an unusual amount of churn for a newly relegated side. Burnley had something like 40+ total departures and arrivals last season and managed to go up automatically. We have a very strong squad relative to the league and the ability to add to it significantly and the advantage that gives us shouldn't be underestimated. Of course the Championship won't be easy but I'd imagine almost every side in the league would be happy to trade places with us right now with the squad we have, the resources we have, and a top manager who's been here for 3 years and gives us that stability.
Even if Hutch goes, and it is still an if at this point, we can start the season with the following:
Palmer
Johnson
O'Shea
Greaves
Davis
Matusiwa
Taylor
Philogene
Chaplin
Clarke
Hirst
Selecting that side involved a couple of tough picks as well, Szmodics could easily get the nod over Chaplin (I personally prefer Chaplin's ability to link play and his understanding with Hurst), Ogbene could start on the right with Philogene on the left, Kipre could come in for Greaves. The bench still has players that would walk into pretty much every other team. It is also weak in other areas of course, such as CM and up top. But we've got plenty of time to strengthen and the targets we've been linked with look to be top drawer.
It's always hard when we see fan favourites leaving or being linked with moves away, but it shouldn't detract from us being in a strong position relative to the league and our rivals. |
Landing that top CM and striker is key for me. As you say, we have time, but we've seen in the last two summer windows how difficult it is to transform a want for a striker into a signing. | | | |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 17:42 - Jul 17 with 234 views | Benters |
| Delap, Hutchinson, Morsy, Tuanzebe, Burgess, Luongo on 07:58 - Jul 17 by itfctilidie |
I think you mean 'gel' |
If you like. | |
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