| Voting age being lowered to 16 then 11:04 - Jul 17 with 6282 views | NedPlimpton |
can't say i'm 100% either way on this, but it feels like a positive
Will help to get young people more engaged in politics if they are able to actually have a voice. Also I suppose it's only fair that if you are paying NI or income tax at the age of 16 then you have a say on how that money is being spent
Any strong feelings either way? |  | | |  |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:59 - Jul 17 with 647 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:51 - Jul 17 by Herbivore |
Not sure the older generations are really any more clued up to be honest. We ended up with Brexit and a stonking majority for the charlatan Boris Johnson, mostly at the hands of older voters. |
You're bringing in political opinion as fact here though. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:59 - Jul 17 with 649 views | StokieBlue |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:45 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Ambivalent I would say. Pros and cons pretty much matched.
I can see why someone who pays taxes etc deserves a vote, on the other hand you're letting in proportionally more people who don't really have a clue what they are voting for, not because they're stupid but just inexperienced.
It's a bit like reducing the speed limits to 20mph on all 30mph roads. Fewer people will be injured, but then fewer people will also be injured at 1mph than 20mph, so you have to draw the line somewhere where proportionally the rate decreases the most (or the least with voting). I'm not convinced that's 20mph, and I'm not convinced that's 16 years old. |
Claiming that younger people don't know what they are voting for is a complete red herring.
There are countless examples on this forum of older voters supporting provable lies put out by parties.
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:01 - Jul 17 with 626 views | NedPlimpton |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:53 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
Great for Farage. That age group seem to be Reform supporters these days, from what I've seen.
Think labour may come to regret this! Haha. |
What have you seen? How many 16year olds are you hanging around with? If they're relatives or relatives of friends then the likelihood is that they've probably got similar voter preferences as you have, which i think is a bit Reformy isn't it?
Bearing in mind the issues that are likely to impact that demographic the most:
Access to mental health on the NHS
Tuition Fees
The environment
then I can't see too many being big fans of Refrom. Although i'll concede there's probably a very vocal minority of right-leaning young people on social media, especially in the 'manosphere' | | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:01 - Jul 17 with 620 views | bsw72 |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:45 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Ambivalent I would say. Pros and cons pretty much matched.
I can see why someone who pays taxes etc deserves a vote, on the other hand you're letting in proportionally more people who don't really have a clue what they are voting for, not because they're stupid but just inexperienced.
It's a bit like reducing the speed limits to 20mph on all 30mph roads. Fewer people will be injured, but then fewer people will also be injured at 1mph than 20mph, so you have to draw the line somewhere where proportionally the rate decreases the most (or the least with voting). I'm not convinced that's 20mph, and I'm not convinced that's 16 years old. |
"on the other hand you're letting in proportionally more people who don't really have a clue what they are voting for"
I remember the views of my then 15, 16 and 17 year old kids when the Brexit vote was occuring - they were smart enough to see through the bias and the lies - I would have trusted them to vote more than some of my older relatives.
"Wisdom can grow with age, but it doesn't do so automatically; rather, it grows for those who seek it and invest in nurturing it." |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:02 - Jul 17 with 597 views | NthQldITFC |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:51 - Jul 17 by Herbivore |
Not sure the older generations are really any more clued up to be honest. We ended up with Brexit and a stonking majority for the charlatan Boris Johnson, mostly at the hands of older voters. |
At least they're two years closer to their science lessons at school, because somehow people seem to be very adept at forgetting about science very quickly once they start being good little consumers with their own source of income. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:03 - Jul 17 with 596 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:56 - Jul 17 by tonybied |
If someone with dementia or mental illness is still allowed to vote, then why not a teenager?
There are plenty of 16-17 year olds out in the wild that have a more balanced view of the world than someone 20-30-40 years their senior. Experience helps when deciding how to vote, but it's not the be-all and end-all. Knowledge and education are just as important. |
I think dementia and mental illness is a separate argument. There are definitely lots of clued up 16 and 17 year olds and definitely clueless older people. It's about proportion. You presumably wouldn't want 9 year olds voting, so the case against 16 year olds is for the same reason but to a much lower degree.
As I said, I'm ambivalent, not anti, it's balanced by the idea that someone who pays taxes and contributes in other ways should have a say. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:05 - Jul 17 with 565 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:59 - Jul 17 by StokieBlue |
Claiming that younger people don't know what they are voting for is a complete red herring.
There are countless examples on this forum of older voters supporting provable lies put out by parties.
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I don't think this forum is either a) a reflective snapshot of the public or b) is anywhere near a large enough sample of data. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:08 - Jul 17 with 550 views | Herbivore |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:53 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
Great for Farage. That age group seem to be Reform supporters these days, from what I've seen.
Think labour may come to regret this! Haha. |
In the youngest category polled (18-24 year olds) there's more support for the Greens than for Reform. And more support for Labour than the Greens. No reason to think 16/17 year olds are going to deviate hugely from that age group. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:09 - Jul 17 with 551 views | Bluecoin |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:01 - Jul 17 by NedPlimpton |
What have you seen? How many 16year olds are you hanging around with? If they're relatives or relatives of friends then the likelihood is that they've probably got similar voter preferences as you have, which i think is a bit Reformy isn't it?
Bearing in mind the issues that are likely to impact that demographic the most:
Access to mental health on the NHS
Tuition Fees
The environment
then I can't see too many being big fans of Refrom. Although i'll concede there's probably a very vocal minority of right-leaning young people on social media, especially in the 'manosphere' |
I've got 3 kids 15- 18. They have lots of friends. I don't interview them on their politics, but from conversations I have had, Nigel is very popular.
When I have asked why they like Farage... It's all about Immigration.
Ask any pupil of Stoke High, or Westbourne high on how it's all going there at the moment. The kids can see exactly what's happening themselves. |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:10 - Jul 17 with 543 views | StokieBlue |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:05 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
I don't think this forum is either a) a reflective snapshot of the public or b) is anywhere near a large enough sample of data. |
Interesting, I actually think this forum does offer a wide range of views.
If we can't extrapolate the views of older voters from the decent data set on here, what dataset have you used to come to your view on younger voters?
If you're going to use that as an argument then it works both ways.
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:12 - Jul 17 with 509 views | BlueBadger |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:53 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
Great for Farage. That age group seem to be Reform supporters these days, from what I've seen.
Think labour may come to regret this! Haha. |
Fancy that, a crypto enthusiast falling for obvious con artists. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:12 - Jul 17 with 509 views | Herbivore |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:59 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
You're bringing in political opinion as fact here though. |
No, that's much more what you're doing. It's a fact that older people were responsible for Brexit and Boris Johnson. I think you could also argue it's a fact that Johnson is a charlatan. Given that both Brexit and Johnson were terrible for the country, it's reasonable to infer that those who voted for them weren't very clued up. Your assertion that young people won't be clued up is much more in the realms of unsubstantiated opinion. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:13 - Jul 17 with 484 views | Herbivore |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:09 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
I've got 3 kids 15- 18. They have lots of friends. I don't interview them on their politics, but from conversations I have had, Nigel is very popular.
When I have asked why they like Farage... It's all about Immigration.
Ask any pupil of Stoke High, or Westbourne high on how it's all going there at the moment. The kids can see exactly what's happening themselves. |
The apple never falls far from the tree. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:14 - Jul 17 with 483 views | Bluecoin |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:12 - Jul 17 by BlueBadger |
Fancy that, a crypto enthusiast falling for obvious con artists. |
Nige is a crypto bro, so he'll be getting the vote from me and the fam.
Thanks. | | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:18 - Jul 17 with 450 views | leitrimblue |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:14 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
Nige is a crypto bro, so he'll be getting the vote from me and the fam.
Thanks. |
This is why democracy is never gonna work  .
Rather then lowering the voting age, we should bring in a IQ test for all potential voters  |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:18 - Jul 17 with 453 views | BlueBadger |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:09 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
I've got 3 kids 15- 18. They have lots of friends. I don't interview them on their politics, but from conversations I have had, Nigel is very popular.
When I have asked why they like Farage... It's all about Immigration.
Ask any pupil of Stoke High, or Westbourne high on how it's all going there at the moment. The kids can see exactly what's happening themselves. |
That chat, as it happened:
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:20 - Jul 17 with 441 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:10 - Jul 17 by StokieBlue |
Interesting, I actually think this forum does offer a wide range of views.
If we can't extrapolate the views of older voters from the decent data set on here, what dataset have you used to come to your view on younger voters?
If you're going to use that as an argument then it works both ways.
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In this thread itself I'm already quite outnumbered by multiple people with the same view, which is fine, but I think my view would be more mainstream in real life. Perhaps forum viewers are more wide-ranging but those who post aren't.
I haven't come to any view on how younger voters would vote, that's not really relevant to my point about experience. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:24 - Jul 17 with 409 views | Rimsy |
There is only one reason Labour would bring this in. They think more young people will vote for them, all other considerations are irrelevant. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:25 - Jul 17 with 386 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:12 - Jul 17 by Herbivore |
No, that's much more what you're doing. It's a fact that older people were responsible for Brexit and Boris Johnson. I think you could also argue it's a fact that Johnson is a charlatan. Given that both Brexit and Johnson were terrible for the country, it's reasonable to infer that those who voted for them weren't very clued up. Your assertion that young people won't be clued up is much more in the realms of unsubstantiated opinion. |
Johnson being terrible and Brexit being terrible is political opinion, not fact, regardless of how strong or weak your case may be, and asserting opinion as fact is the thin end of the wedge to something quite dangerous. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:29 - Jul 17 with 362 views | Herbivore |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:14 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
Nige is a crypto bro, so he'll be getting the vote from me and the fam.
Thanks. |
You must really hate the UK, mate. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:31 - Jul 17 with 344 views | meekreech |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 11:20 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Political opportunism? Surely there are 1000 more pressing issues to be looked at. They should really only be bringing this in if they win a second term. |
The reason for doing this is to ensure they win a second term. With the current state of education in this country and the way teachers have been trained to teach the children in leftist thoughts and practices it makes any chance of success for any other party obtaining a mandate to form a government an impossibility.
This country is in the hands of a government that is planning for a new type of democracy where anyone who is not tutored in the current system will not be allowed to win . |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:31 - Jul 17 with 343 views | StokieBlue |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:09 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
I've got 3 kids 15- 18. They have lots of friends. I don't interview them on their politics, but from conversations I have had, Nigel is very popular.
When I have asked why they like Farage... It's all about Immigration.
Ask any pupil of Stoke High, or Westbourne high on how it's all going there at the moment. The kids can see exactly what's happening themselves. |
How is it going?
Why don't you enlighten us?
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:32 - Jul 17 with 343 views | Herbivore |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:25 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Johnson being terrible and Brexit being terrible is political opinion, not fact, regardless of how strong or weak your case may be, and asserting opinion as fact is the thin end of the wedge to something quite dangerous. |
I can point to lots of evidence that they have been terrible for the country if you like? Economic damage, there's lots of evidence of that. Damage in trust in politicians, there's lots of evidence of that too. NHS waiting lists going through the roof, more evidence of that as well. And even on the current hot topic de jeur, people entering the country by small boat crossing also through the roof. How much evidence is needed for something to be a fact rather than an opinion, in your opinion? | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:32 - Jul 17 with 338 views | Bluecoin |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:29 - Jul 17 by Herbivore |
You must really hate the UK, mate. |
I used to love this land, but it's not going great these days is it mate.
I'm looking to leave the UK once the kids are through school. I don't even feel sad about it, surprisingly. [Post edited 17 Jul 14:17]
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:33 - Jul 17 with 331 views | Herbivore |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:31 - Jul 17 by meekreech |
The reason for doing this is to ensure they win a second term. With the current state of education in this country and the way teachers have been trained to teach the children in leftist thoughts and practices it makes any chance of success for any other party obtaining a mandate to form a government an impossibility.
This country is in the hands of a government that is planning for a new type of democracy where anyone who is not tutored in the current system will not be allowed to win . |
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! What?? | |
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