| Voting age being lowered to 16 then 11:04 - Jul 17 with 6441 views | NedPlimpton |
can't say i'm 100% either way on this, but it feels like a positive
Will help to get young people more engaged in politics if they are able to actually have a voice. Also I suppose it's only fair that if you are paying NI or income tax at the age of 16 then you have a say on how that money is being spent
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 13:49 - Jul 17 with 671 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:42 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
Mostly to avoid paying tax too! Lovely stuff. |
My tax bill is due by the end of July…..any tips on how I can avoid paying????
In my day to day interactions with the young folks, it’s pretty clear to me that the majority are left leaning or pretty much like me and fairly centrist.
It’s some of the older generation of my age who seem to like Nige for some un fathomable reason so think you will be in for a big disappointment fella. |  |
| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 13:50 - Jul 17 with 671 views | buoyant |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 13:41 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
My family are my priority. If you don't have yours as a priority then you're doing it all wrong.
And correct, I don't give a fig what you or anyone thinks. Thanks. |
You and your family wouldn't have the life that you have enjoyed without the contributions of others.
Emigrating because of immigration just shows how ignorant you are.
Adios |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 13:51 - Jul 17 with 656 views | Mullet |
I went to an event in Manchester a few weeks ago, fairly mixed on the issue. But there was an academic from Edinburgh uni who put forward a really compelling argument.
16 year olds who vote, will vote for the rest of their lives, will engage with politics of all stripes and keep more informed.
It also means politicians have to engage rather than ignore and dismiss youth issues. Look at how our politics is skewed to the elderly and right wing media to maintain the status quo. The world is changing and he showed how the actual numbers are tiny, it has beneficial effects outside of the vote share.
Given that we have plenty of adults who are immature, ill informed and the like and they vote, it seems a weak argument to suggest we need some sort of mental bar to reach, before we let people vote. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:00 - Jul 17 with 613 views | Trequartista |
I'm just reading more about this and I had assumed this would be a parliamentary bill. I'm struggling to find this and it seems as though it's just going to be waved through.
So now my point about parliamentary time may not be valid, but I would have expected this to have gone to a free vote. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:01 - Jul 17 with 608 views | BlueBadger |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:14 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
Nige is a crypto bro, so he'll be getting the vote from me and the fam.
Thanks. |
Well, I for one, am shocked to learn that Nige wants a way to funnel untraceable sums of money from dodgy people towards himself. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:02 - Jul 17 with 602 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:00 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
I'm just reading more about this and I had assumed this would be a parliamentary bill. I'm struggling to find this and it seems as though it's just going to be waved through.
So now my point about parliamentary time may not be valid, but I would have expected this to have gone to a free vote. |
With the majority Labour have, it would get through anyway. I wish more political parties actually took advantage of their majorities in a more decisive way.
If the Dems had in the USA while Biden was President and while he had both houses, we wouldn't have a lot of the issues with Trump today (or even have Trump today!) |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:06 - Jul 17 with 577 views | ElderGrizzly |
Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage are against it. That should tell us everything
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:08 - Jul 17 with 561 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:02 - Jul 17 by ElderGrizzly |
With the majority Labour have, it would get through anyway. I wish more political parties actually took advantage of their majorities in a more decisive way.
If the Dems had in the USA while Biden was President and while he had both houses, we wouldn't have a lot of the issues with Trump today (or even have Trump today!) |
Also just read that these are the countries where 16 year olds can vote in all elections
Argentina
Austria
Brazil
Cuba
Ecuador
Guernsey
Greece
Indonesia
Isle of Man
Jersey
Nicaragua
North Korea
Timor-Leste
That's quite a minority of the world population (although some can't vote at all!). Surprised the so-called progressive nations in the EU and Scandanavia don't agree with the overwhelmingly progressive opinions in this thread. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:13 - Jul 17 with 528 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:06 - Jul 17 by ElderGrizzly |
Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage are against it. That should tell us everything
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Well it tells us you don't have to think for yourself. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:13 - Jul 17 with 528 views | yorkshireblue |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:00 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
I'm just reading more about this and I had assumed this would be a parliamentary bill. I'm struggling to find this and it seems as though it's just going to be waved through.
So now my point about parliamentary time may not be valid, but I would have expected this to have gone to a free vote. |
It was in Labour's manifesto. |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:16 - Jul 17 with 509 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:13 - Jul 17 by yorkshireblue |
It was in Labour's manifesto. |
Yes, although not in the King's Speech. Not really relevant to whether it has to go through parliament. I wonder why this doesn't have to. I'll have a look around. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:20 - Jul 17 with 484 views | Trequartista |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:16 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Yes, although not in the King's Speech. Not really relevant to whether it has to go through parliament. I wonder why this doesn't have to. I'll have a look around. |
It appears there is a democracy bill that will need to go through hidden in the small detail. The news sites are just assuming it will pass. I know they have a thumping majority but that's not great reporting imo. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:29 - Jul 17 with 468 views | giant_stow |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 12:31 - Jul 17 by meekreech |
The reason for doing this is to ensure they win a second term. With the current state of education in this country and the way teachers have been trained to teach the children in leftist thoughts and practices it makes any chance of success for any other party obtaining a mandate to form a government an impossibility.
This country is in the hands of a government that is planning for a new type of democracy where anyone who is not tutored in the current system will not be allowed to win . |
To my mind, your point fails on its own logic. The Tory's were in power for 14 years and messed with the education system, so that kids now spend more time worrying about subjunctive verb nouns (whatever!) than they do thinking about important things like politics or society. Apart from being really boring, this emphasis on grammar or obscure maths just makes school more dull / turns kids away from learning about interesting stuff. like the world they live in. [Post edited 17 Jul 14:30]
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:31 - Jul 17 with 470 views | Herbivore |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 13:44 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Hmmm you don't appear to have engaged with my last point and are seeking to change the argument. You're now presenting it as argument between us of whether Brexit was good or not. I didn't vote for Brexit and wouldn't do in a future vote. I didn't give the Trump example as Brexit was good on balance, I gave it to show the discussion is ongoing, not complete. I even put "small beer" to indicate this wasn't the case but never mind.
I think it was clear i was not saying pointing out facts is censoring opinion. I was saying that concluding Brexit was a mistake was. You're saying that's not what you meant so that's fine.
Anyway where did we start on this as we've hit the usual brick wall. "Not sure the older generations are really any more clued up to be honest. We ended up with Brexit and a stonking majority for the charlatan Boris Johnson, mostly at the hands of older voters. "
So now you are saying it is your opinion and not a fact that Brexit was a mistake, then surely its best not to judge the change to allow 16-year-old voters based on if they are likely to agree or disagree with your political opinion, but rather on if proportionally enough of them are experienced enough to know what they are voting for, because in the future, your political opinion on another matter may not align with younger voters the same as it does now. |
I said Brexit and Johnson have been terrible for the country, not that they have been a mistake. I'm not sure why I'm having to restate this once again. It is my opinion that Brexit is a mistake, yes, because Brexit has been terrible for the country, and I have provided you lots of evidence why this is the case. You are the one who has introduced the word mistake here because I think you've realised that the weight of evidence means it's hard to argue that Brexit hasn't been incredibly bad and thus it is not just an opinion to say so. I don't really want to play your games on this to be honest.
The point I was making is that Brexit has been terrible for the exact reasons that the majority of experts (but we've had enough of those!) said it would be terrible before the referendum. By contrast, the sunlit uplands promised by Farage and Johnson, which were always a fantasy, haven't materialised. This would suggest that older people, who disproportionately voted for Brexit, didn't do a great job of weighing up and evaluating the evidence in front of them.
Your view that experience somehow equals wisdom is incredibly outdated. We can learn from experience, but many don't. Saying that young people aren't going to be clued up in the way older people are is your opinion, I was countering your opinion with a worked example that suggests older people aren't clued up either. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:36 - Jul 17 with 438 views | baxterbasics |
Have you met many 16 yr olds lately?
Absolutely barking mad. I'm more in favour of raising the age to 25.
I guess there is at least some relief in that most of them wont bother anyway.
Young people may care about issues and want to be heard, but not if it means making efforts like rocking up to a church hall to actually vote. The 18 to 25 year old group managed 65% turnout last GE - that's out of those registered to vote, not the entire population.
They also increasingly favour smaller parties so Labour might come to regret this. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:38 - Jul 17 with 429 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:13 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Well it tells us you don't have to think for yourself. |
That's what they want of course. The tribe to follow Dear Leader :) | | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:41 - Jul 17 with 417 views | Herbivore |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:08 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Also just read that these are the countries where 16 year olds can vote in all elections
Argentina
Austria
Brazil
Cuba
Ecuador
Guernsey
Greece
Indonesia
Isle of Man
Jersey
Nicaragua
North Korea
Timor-Leste
That's quite a minority of the world population (although some can't vote at all!). Surprised the so-called progressive nations in the EU and Scandanavia don't agree with the overwhelmingly progressive opinions in this thread. |
And in Scotland, I think Wales too. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:41 - Jul 17 with 413 views | Mercian |
There is a reason that Labour and The Lib Dems are for this and The Tories and Reform are not and it has nothing to do with 16 year olds having the capacity to vote or not. Boomers and Millennials tend to be further right than Gen X or Gen Z so Labour and The Lib Dems will benefit from this reform. If Gen Z were right leaning Farage's posts this morning would have been about how bloody good it is to lower the voting age. |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:43 - Jul 17 with 397 views | NedPlimpton |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:13 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Well it tells us you don't have to think for yourself. |
To be fair if those two think something is a bad idea, then it really doesn't take much critical thinking to know it's likely to be be a benefit to wider society! | | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:48 - Jul 17 with 371 views | baxterbasics |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:06 - Jul 17 by ElderGrizzly |
Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage are against it. That should tell us everything
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I do think more will vote to the right than some think.
My wife and I have 5 kids between us aged from 18 to 26.
All bar one would almost certainly be Conservative or Reform. Two have long term partners who are the same. The one that isn't is more likely to not bother at all out of apathy.
I really don't think they've just followed my lead because they mostly ignore or reject my opinions about anything! | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:50 - Jul 17 with 358 views | baxterbasics |
Also, looking forward to seeing Tik Tok 'stars' being voted to office. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:55 - Jul 17 with 337 views | Bluecoin |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:50 - Jul 17 by baxterbasics |
Also, looking forward to seeing Tik Tok 'stars' being voted to office. |
I can see Andrew Tate getting behind Reform. A lot of 16 year old lads follow him. |  | | |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:59 - Jul 17 with 305 views | Herbivore |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:48 - Jul 17 by baxterbasics |
I do think more will vote to the right than some think.
My wife and I have 5 kids between us aged from 18 to 26.
All bar one would almost certainly be Conservative or Reform. Two have long term partners who are the same. The one that isn't is more likely to not bother at all out of apathy.
I really don't think they've just followed my lead because they mostly ignore or reject my opinions about anything! |
Anecdotal evidence isn't that useful, you only know a handful of people of that age so you won't be getting a representative snapshot. The polling shows that younger voters overwhelmingly favour Labour, Lib Dems, and Greens: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1379439/uk-election-polls-by-age/
I guess it's possible that 16/17 year olds, despite also being part of Gen Z, will swing wildly the other way compared to 18-24 year olds, but I think it's unlikely. | |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 15:00 - Jul 17 with 301 views | Ryorry |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:36 - Jul 17 by baxterbasics |
Have you met many 16 yr olds lately?
Absolutely barking mad. I'm more in favour of raising the age to 25.
I guess there is at least some relief in that most of them wont bother anyway.
Young people may care about issues and want to be heard, but not if it means making efforts like rocking up to a church hall to actually vote. The 18 to 25 year old group managed 65% turnout last GE - that's out of those registered to vote, not the entire population.
They also increasingly favour smaller parties so Labour might come to regret this. |
"The 18 to 25 year old group managed 65% turnout last GE - that's out of those registered to vote, not the entire population."
If that's correct, it actually compares well with the figures for voting habits of UK adults in the past (60% & 59.4% in 2024 & 2021) -
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1050929/voter-turnout-in-the-uk/
I'm all for the reform - maybe I'm just lucky in the youngsters I encounter, but I find them far more prepared to engage intelligently & passionately about important current issues than most world-weary & cynical over 30s. And it's their future, they absolutely have the right to have a say, & should be allowed to make it count in paractical terms. |  |
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| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 15:03 - Jul 17 with 291 views | StokieBlue |
| Voting age being lowered to 16 then on 14:55 - Jul 17 by Bluecoin |
I can see Andrew Tate getting behind Reform. A lot of 16 year old lads follow him. |
Given the crimes he's been charged with that would be horrible.
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