| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. 14:02 - Jul 17 with 1407 views | Mercian |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn86n761jjeo
Chop down a tree and get a 4 1/2 year sentence, protest on a motorway and get 5. Kill a teenager whilst admittedly showing off and get 16 months or get a 6 month suspended sentence for possession of 100s of explicit pictures of pre-teen children. There is a huge problem with sentencing in The UK. |  | | |  |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 14:08 - Jul 17 with 1333 views | ElderGrizzly |
No, there is a huge problem with the media trying to promote equivalency across different crimes which is not how sentencing works. |  | | |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 14:25 - Jul 17 with 1241 views | Trequartista |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 14:08 - Jul 17 by ElderGrizzly |
No, there is a huge problem with the media trying to promote equivalency across different crimes which is not how sentencing works. |
The media in this case (BBC) merely reported it, the op made the equivalency. Are people not entitled to make that equivalency and form their own conclusions? I agree that sentencing has guidelines that must be adhered to, but maybe those guidelines need changing. |  |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 14:36 - Jul 17 with 1171 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 14:25 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
The media in this case (BBC) merely reported it, the op made the equivalency. Are people not entitled to make that equivalency and form their own conclusions? I agree that sentencing has guidelines that must be adhered to, but maybe those guidelines need changing. |
I wasn't referring to the BBC article as a standalone, but media, including social media as a whole.
It's the same as the Tory Councillor's wife who was (correctly) jailed for a long period of time for saying they should burn people alive in hotels.
The media, even MPs have tried to bring equivalency to manslaughter crimes etc.
The OP can think whatever they like, it was just my point is the media doesn't help in promoting ignorance. | | | |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 14:40 - Jul 17 with 1158 views | StokieBlue |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 14:25 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
The media in this case (BBC) merely reported it, the op made the equivalency. Are people not entitled to make that equivalency and form their own conclusions? I agree that sentencing has guidelines that must be adhered to, but maybe those guidelines need changing. |
You said on the other thread that I didn't have enough data to form a conclusion even though this forum has hundreds of thousands of posts.
Now you're saying an equivalence can be drawn on a single data point and a conclusion drawn.
Which it?
Or does it depend on whether you agree with the conclusion?
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 15:36 - Jul 17 with 1014 views | Trequartista |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 14:36 - Jul 17 by ElderGrizzly |
I wasn't referring to the BBC article as a standalone, but media, including social media as a whole.
It's the same as the Tory Councillor's wife who was (correctly) jailed for a long period of time for saying they should burn people alive in hotels.
The media, even MPs have tried to bring equivalency to manslaughter crimes etc.
The OP can think whatever they like, it was just my point is the media doesn't help in promoting ignorance. |
Correctly in your opinion. Most (not on here, but in real life) would say the sentence was excessive. Words can inflame and I'm not saying that wasn't a crime, or the words weren't despicable, but in the end they are words and they surely cannot be worse than the actions they might inflame. The radical left has gone overboard with words over actions in many scenarios in my opinion. | |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 15:39 - Jul 17 with 990 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 14:08 - Jul 17 by ElderGrizzly |
No, there is a huge problem with the media trying to promote equivalency across different crimes which is not how sentencing works. |
I think discussing equivalency, using case studies, is one of the few ways you can bring accountability to sentencing structures. How else can the public can bring accountability to sentencing structures, if not through basing it in some sort of wider framework first?
I make no judgement on the equivalency of these specific cases myself. |  |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 16:14 - Jul 17 with 931 views | Trequartista |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 14:40 - Jul 17 by StokieBlue |
You said on the other thread that I didn't have enough data to form a conclusion even though this forum has hundreds of thousands of posts.
Now you're saying an equivalence can be drawn on a single data point and a conclusion drawn.
Which it?
Or does it depend on whether you agree with the conclusion?
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You can draw an equivalence between examples cases without drawing a conclusion on the entire issue. I would certainly look beyond one case before drawing my conclusions, others may not.
Anyway how do you know the age of all these lying forum posters? [Post edited 17 Jul 16:16]
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. (n/t) on 16:27 - Jul 17 with 890 views | StokieBlue |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 16:14 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
You can draw an equivalence between examples cases without drawing a conclusion on the entire issue. I would certainly look beyond one case before drawing my conclusions, others may not.
Anyway how do you know the age of all these lying forum posters? [Post edited 17 Jul 16:16]
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Because they are well known posters or ones who freely divulge information which shows they are older?
Busy day for you.
SB [Post edited 17 Jul 16:28]
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 16:34 - Jul 17 with 838 views | Herbivore |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 15:36 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Correctly in your opinion. Most (not on here, but in real life) would say the sentence was excessive. Words can inflame and I'm not saying that wasn't a crime, or the words weren't despicable, but in the end they are words and they surely cannot be worse than the actions they might inflame. The radical left has gone overboard with words over actions in many scenarios in my opinion. |
Judges are the radical left now? Crikey. |  |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 16:37 - Jul 17 with 823 views | MattinLondon |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 15:36 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Correctly in your opinion. Most (not on here, but in real life) would say the sentence was excessive. Words can inflame and I'm not saying that wasn't a crime, or the words weren't despicable, but in the end they are words and they surely cannot be worse than the actions they might inflame. The radical left has gone overboard with words over actions in many scenarios in my opinion. |
Please may I ask what your definition of the radical left is in this country? |  | | |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 16:39 - Jul 17 with 808 views | MattinLondon |
As heartless as it’ll sound, judges interpret the law differently and will hand down sentences which some view as too lenient or too severe. When compared to one another, a lot of sentences will not make sense. | | | |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 17:09 - Jul 17 with 749 views | Ftnfwest |
Instruct your followers to kill MPs, zero. Although tbf they used the cunhà get out of saying sorry afterwards |  | | |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 17:25 - Jul 17 with 716 views | Trequartista |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 16:37 - Jul 17 by MattinLondon |
Please may I ask what your definition of the radical left is in this country? |
Yes I'm not setting out to be rude and I know people don't like "woke left" either, but I'm on the left and I don't agree with these people, so I need to use a term to differentiate myself from them. | |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 17:43 - Jul 17 with 684 views | Herbivore |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 17:25 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Yes I'm not setting out to be rude and I know people don't like "woke left" either, but I'm on the left and I don't agree with these people, so I need to use a term to differentiate myself from them. |
So you're saying judges are the radical left then, as they're the ones giving these sentences? | |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 17:46 - Jul 17 with 672 views | MattinLondon |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 17:25 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
Yes I'm not setting out to be rude and I know people don't like "woke left" either, but I'm on the left and I don't agree with these people, so I need to use a term to differentiate myself from them. |
I’m sorry but I don’t understand - I asked what your definition of radical left is as you used that term in your previous post. But you appear to be going round in circles - do you mean that the judge is radical left? Or judges in general? | | | |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 17:53 - Jul 17 with 650 views | Trequartista |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 17:43 - Jul 17 by Herbivore |
So you're saying judges are the radical left then, as they're the ones giving these sentences? |
No it was a more general point really about who supports that sentence and who thinks it is lenient. I don't subscribe to the right's insistence on "lefty lawyers". | |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 17:59 - Jul 17 with 641 views | Trequartista |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 17:46 - Jul 17 by MattinLondon |
I’m sorry but I don’t understand - I asked what your definition of radical left is as you used that term in your previous post. But you appear to be going round in circles - do you mean that the judge is radical left? Or judges in general? |
I have no idea who the judge is. Forget the judge. I merely disagree with that length of sentence for words written on social media, whereas someone else, also left wing but more radical would not. | |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 18:29 - Jul 17 with 561 views | BlueBadger |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 16:37 - Jul 17 by MattinLondon |
Please may I ask what your definition of the radical left is in this country? |
'Someone who insists on treating women, poor people, non-white people, the LGBTQ community and foreigners with the same amount of respect rich white straight blokes get'. |  |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 19:18 - Jul 17 with 503 views | Trequartista |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 18:29 - Jul 17 by BlueBadger |
'Someone who insists on treating women, poor people, non-white people, the LGBTQ community and foreigners with the same amount of respect rich white straight blokes get'. |
That's not a bad stab at it actually. I think someone who is just traditionally left would just say 'someone who insists on treating every individual with the same amount of respect without putting people into group identities'. | |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 23:05 - Jul 17 with 393 views | BlueBadger |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 19:18 - Jul 17 by Trequartista |
That's not a bad stab at it actually. I think someone who is just traditionally left would just say 'someone who insists on treating every individual with the same amount of respect without putting people into group identities'. |
What does that word salad even mean? | |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 23:11 - Jul 17 with 372 views | Trequartista |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 23:05 - Jul 17 by BlueBadger |
What does that word salad even mean? |
I don't know, you wrote it  | |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 23:15 - Jul 17 with 355 views | Swansea_Blue |
I’t a disgustingly lenient sentence. God knows how her family can come to terms with that. |  |
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| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 23:26 - Jul 17 with 316 views | Smoresy |
We don't seem to give two f's about punishing / deterring road killers unfortunately. I find this crazy but it's the society we live in. |  | | |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 23:38 - Jul 17 with 301 views | Trequartista |
| Only 1/3 as important as a tree. on 23:15 - Jul 17 by Swansea_Blue |
I’t a disgustingly lenient sentence. God knows how her family can come to terms with that. |
Yes the thread went off on a different tangent which I'm partly responsible for, so appreciate this post getting back towards the original point. | |
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