| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton 00:00 - Jul 19 with 4916 views | John_Warks_Willy |
down to the scouts who tracked him all the way back then.
Don’t try and tell me otherwise. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 00:21 - Jul 19 with 3221 views | StokieBlue |
We're getting 19m and not a penny more.
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 00:27 - Jul 19 with 3187 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 00:21 - Jul 19 by StokieBlue |
We're getting 19m and not a penny more.
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Less 25% isn't it? |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 00:36 - Jul 19 with 3147 views | StokieBlue |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 00:27 - Jul 19 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Less 25% isn't it? |
Nah, we won't have to pay that as we're not going to make any profit.
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 04:17 - Jul 19 with 2976 views | flykickingbybgunn |
Like Brentford had to wait until Manure opened their wallet, Ashton will have had to wait until the Hutch deal is done. When that happens expect the incoming flood gates to open.
The reported £40m will leave a handsome profit. Well done Mr A. |  | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 with 2751 views | ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:29 - Jul 19 with 2685 views | chicoazul |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |
You simply don’t understand how things work.
The likes of Delap and hutch would not sign for us if they didn’t have release clauses and relegation clauses in their contracts. They wouldn’t come. It’s that simple.
And I’m afraid profit is now very important due to the financial regulations football is now subject to.
You’re looking for a grown up conservation but you don’t have a grown ups insight. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:34 - Jul 19 with 2650 views | PioneerBlue |
I would say this is success in the context of our past and both have set new baselines which we carry forwards. It’s not only about the profit it’s the £65-70m revenue in coming that secures the coming years and the reduction in wages and freeing up combined ~£10m per year amortisation hit to profits.
All that before you consider who we did business with to secure the talent (that wouldn’t be in our control to negotiate harder) and the players will clearly have wanted to leave at the time they did.
This is painful but good planning and reduces stress in following years if this year doesn’t prove to be 100 points 100 goals as expected by some. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:36 - Jul 19 with 2630 views | Vic |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |
I agree that it's all about money. And yes, as things stand, we are weaker as an attacking force.
If the idea is to simply sell off our best players so that year on year the team becomes weaker then you have a point.
But thats not what is intended is it. These players will be sold and others brought in that will overall strengthen the team. That way, like with Burleys team in the late 90's, we will incrementally improve and so make more money.
The weakness of you post is that you seem to be assuming that the end of player trading the team will be worse and weaker. There's no way in thd world that that's the intention. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:37 - Jul 19 with 2620 views | surreyblue |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |
Why do you think we can only spend the profit on signing new players, rather than the amount we get minus any profit sharing?
If i buy a house for 300k and then sell it for 500k two years later, do I only have 200k to spend on a new house? | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:39 - Jul 19 with 2606 views | EddyJ |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |
This is comparing apples and oranges.
Delap and Hutchinson bring in £70m in revenue, which means we now have £70m to spend. We don't only get to spend the profit. | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:42 - Jul 19 with 2577 views | Wakh |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |
Why do we have to replace those two players with just the profit? What happened to the £40m initial investment? You realise what profit is right? | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:45 - Jul 19 with 2543 views | londonben |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |
It’s not only 13m though is it, we’re also recouping the 20m we spent in the first place that was already accounted for in our budgeting. This means that if the deal goes through we will have around 35m to reinvest in the team. Our weakness last year wasn’t our wingers, it was our centre mids who just weren’t good enough to cut it in the Prem. No disrespect to them, but back to back promotions meant we were out of our depth. We can afford to cash in on a winger to reinvest elsewhere.
Also, we’re on a massive upward trend as a club, but we’re not big enough to turn down 40m for an unproven 22 year old. Same as Brentford aren’t a big enough club to turn down 70m for their winger. And hopefully Boro aren’t big enough to turn down 20m for Hackney. We’re climbing the food chain but we’re still not massive and we have to accept the realities of that.
Town have been great at keeping their dealings secret this year which is frustrating for us, but probably great for business as a media circus always pushes prices up. It was clear from mid-season last year we were going down and they will have made plans, I’m sure they have some superb signings in the pipeline and we need to trust the process. | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:01 - Jul 19 with 2399 views | FrimleyBlue |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |
If it helps
Philogene is basically hutchinson anyway.
Hirst suits our football more than delap did
We will be fine. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:01 - Jul 19 with 2401 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:37 - Jul 19 by surreyblue |
Why do you think we can only spend the profit on signing new players, rather than the amount we get minus any profit sharing?
If i buy a house for 300k and then sell it for 500k two years later, do I only have 200k to spend on a new house? |
This is precisely the point, and one that - however often it is pointed out - people don’t get. The profit is only one part of the equation - you also remove liabilities from the accounts, including wages & deferred signing fees.
Will the money get a direct Hutch replacement? Unlikely, and hard to attract such a player to the Championship if they’re at the same level as Hutch (the same reason we’re not holding onto Hutch if he leaves).
What it does give you is enough funds to buy TWO players at the same level Hutch was 2 years ago. That is how you build for the futures. | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:07 - Jul 19 with 2347 views | azuremerlangus |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:29 - Jul 19 by chicoazul |
You simply don’t understand how things work.
The likes of Delap and hutch would not sign for us if they didn’t have release clauses and relegation clauses in their contracts. They wouldn’t come. It’s that simple.
And I’m afraid profit is now very important due to the financial regulations football is now subject to.
You’re looking for a grown up conservation but you don’t have a grown ups insight. |
Agree.
These players are essentially on ‘loan’ to us. But unlike a normal loan we have made a profit . |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:12 - Jul 19 with 2301 views | NthQldITFC |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |
Christ, what a bore. Hang on, I know... why don't we pack up the actual football all together, and just trade on the stock exchange? |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:15 - Jul 19 with 2278 views | flykickingbybgunn |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:01 - Jul 19 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This is precisely the point, and one that - however often it is pointed out - people don’t get. The profit is only one part of the equation - you also remove liabilities from the accounts, including wages & deferred signing fees.
Will the money get a direct Hutch replacement? Unlikely, and hard to attract such a player to the Championship if they’re at the same level as Hutch (the same reason we’re not holding onto Hutch if he leaves).
What it does give you is enough funds to buy TWO players at the same level Hutch was 2 years ago. That is how you build for the futures. |
Just to put this whole discussion into context 3-4 years ago our entire yearly income was about £20m | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:40 - Jul 19 with 2085 views | tonybied |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |
I'm not going to address your "facts" here as they have been well and truly disassembled, as they should be, by plenty of others here.
On your point about being accused of negativity, perhaps if you occasionally posted something positive, then in all likelihood, you wouldn't get accused of this!
If you want to be treated like an adult, and respected, then perhaps use some critical thinking and realise that everything ITFC is not doom and gloom. A lot of the last 12 months was not fun, for various reasons. There are still plenty of positives to be taken from that period too though.
We are in the strongest position this club has been in for decades (with the exception of 12 months ago, of course), on and off the pitch. Most clubs rise to their current peak is not linear, we have to expect hiccups along the way. It's how the club reacts to these hiccups that shows what we are really made of. If we fade back into Championship mediocrity again over the next few years then your negativity would be founded, but let's give it a chance first, hey! [Post edited 19 Jul 8:42]
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:48 - Jul 19 with 2029 views | bsw72 |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |
You are taking a subset of the facts and presenting them in a negative way, without presenting the whole picture though.
We spent around £40M on Delap and Hutchinson while building a squad for last season, we have now got £55M-£60M to help strengthen the squad again, not just this “profit” you seem fixated on being disappointed about.
We also have other players in the squad we didn’t have when we purchased them both, Philogene, Ogbene, Clarke, Szmodics. The squad is stronger than when we bought them both, and while disappointing to lose them, any football supporter who understands the impact of relegation knew we would struggle to keep our better players.
Your constant negative view of the partial facts as you like to present them is getting a bit boring, and just because you don’t like people calling you out for being negative doesn’t mean they’re wrong and are being personal, it’s just fact.
If you don’t like my response explain why we can only use the profit to replace the players, and not the full capital outlay we have recouped. |  | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:49 - Jul 19 with 2014 views | boysof1981 |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:01 - Jul 19 by FrimleyBlue |
If it helps
Philogene is basically hutchinson anyway.
Hirst suits our football more than delap did
We will be fine. |
Didn’t help that Delap started playing for himself rather than the team the last few months he was here, and then we decided on letting him sort his future before the season had ended. | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:55 - Jul 19 with 1943 views | Chris_ITFC |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:49 - Jul 19 by boysof1981 |
Didn’t help that Delap started playing for himself rather than the team the last few months he was here, and then we decided on letting him sort his future before the season had ended. |
Any evidence for that? He was always an individual, that’s what made him great.
Would you have preferred he was still here now trying to sort it out, like Omari? Great idea. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 09:01 - Jul 19 with 1885 views | jas0999 |
Would represent a very good deal for the club. Can’t blame the club selling in these circumstances especially if the player wants to go. | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 09:08 - Jul 19 with 1790 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
As many have pointed out, that’ll only leave us around £13m profit. Ensuring a return to the PL would be worth a lot more than £13m so honestly we’d be better off holding on to him and maximising that chance. | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 09:10 - Jul 19 with 1776 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:29 - Jul 19 by chicoazul |
You simply don’t understand how things work.
The likes of Delap and hutch would not sign for us if they didn’t have release clauses and relegation clauses in their contracts. They wouldn’t come. It’s that simple.
And I’m afraid profit is now very important due to the financial regulations football is now subject to.
You’re looking for a grown up conservation but you don’t have a grown ups insight. |
But the release clause has expired, so it’s irrelevant in this case. | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 09:19 - Jul 19 with 1694 views | FrimleyBlue |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 09:10 - Jul 19 by SimonBatfordITFC |
But the release clause has expired, so it’s irrelevant in this case. |
Maybe we purchased omari with the thoughts that he wa always going to be one we sold pretty soon ish which in turn would help us financially
We've barely been able to do proper player trading for many years it's about time we are able to do it.
They key now is making the most of it which we seem to be doing so far with kipre and the other fella.
99 we sold dyer and brought in players who took us up
This year is pretty much a carbon copy altho this follows relegation rather than 3 years of trying. | |
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