| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton 00:00 - Jul 19 with 3702 views | John_Warks_Willy |
down to the scouts who tracked him all the way back then.
Don’t try and tell me otherwise. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 09:30 - Jul 19 with 794 views | darkhorse28 |
At best £10 million profit, which is a drop in the ocean to the up to £150 million investment, in mostly players now worth less than the liabilities we have for the next 3/4 years.
Might be best to look at that entire period when judging Ashton.
There’s a reason we are for sale and the owners have had enough.
Clue. It’s not because we did brilliant, but great value from the over £100 million invested, and are progressing.
I know you only listed to trigger people…, but the impacts of that summer have consequences.
No staff, our best players gone, and inertia with the ownership …, is just the beginning. |  | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 09:44 - Jul 19 with 738 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 09:30 - Jul 19 by darkhorse28 |
At best £10 million profit, which is a drop in the ocean to the up to £150 million investment, in mostly players now worth less than the liabilities we have for the next 3/4 years.
Might be best to look at that entire period when judging Ashton.
There’s a reason we are for sale and the owners have had enough.
Clue. It’s not because we did brilliant, but great value from the over £100 million invested, and are progressing.
I know you only listed to trigger people…, but the impacts of that summer have consequences.
No staff, our best players gone, and inertia with the ownership …, is just the beginning. |
Did he steal your wife or something? |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 10:35 - Jul 19 with 644 views | tonybied |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 09:30 - Jul 19 by darkhorse28 |
At best £10 million profit, which is a drop in the ocean to the up to £150 million investment, in mostly players now worth less than the liabilities we have for the next 3/4 years.
Might be best to look at that entire period when judging Ashton.
There’s a reason we are for sale and the owners have had enough.
Clue. It’s not because we did brilliant, but great value from the over £100 million invested, and are progressing.
I know you only listed to trigger people…, but the impacts of that summer have consequences.
No staff, our best players gone, and inertia with the ownership …, is just the beginning. |
Simmer down, your feathers are showing. |  | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 10:46 - Jul 19 with 616 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 09:08 - Jul 19 by SimonBatfordITFC |
As many have pointed out, that’ll only leave us around £13m profit. Ensuring a return to the PL would be worth a lot more than £13m so honestly we’d be better off holding on to him and maximising that chance. |
Or you achieve both - cash in on Omari AND return to the PL next season. Whilst building a stronger, deeper squad with the development of the next Hutch, Delap, etc | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 10:58 - Jul 19 with 587 views | Trequartista |
good business but not brilliant. once the add-ons and sell-ons taken into account it's a healthy rather than tremendous profit.
Mbuemo £5.8m -> £65m - that's brilliant business. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 10:59 - Jul 19 with 585 views | topguy |
As most have stated we will bring in about 70m from delap and omari with that the club could buy a min of 4 players over 15m each that is good for the club its how other team grow their teams. | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 11:07 - Jul 19 with 539 views | Vic |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 09:30 - Jul 19 by darkhorse28 |
At best £10 million profit, which is a drop in the ocean to the up to £150 million investment, in mostly players now worth less than the liabilities we have for the next 3/4 years.
Might be best to look at that entire period when judging Ashton.
There’s a reason we are for sale and the owners have had enough.
Clue. It’s not because we did brilliant, but great value from the over £100 million invested, and are progressing.
I know you only listed to trigger people…, but the impacts of that summer have consequences.
No staff, our best players gone, and inertia with the ownership …, is just the beginning. |
Are you for real?
You are either a budgie or are Elephantintheroom reincarnated. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 11:12 - Jul 19 with 522 views | StokieBlue |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 10:58 - Jul 19 by Trequartista |
good business but not brilliant. once the add-ons and sell-ons taken into account it's a healthy rather than tremendous profit.
Mbuemo £5.8m -> £65m - that's brilliant business. |
It will be roughly level with the second highest Championship transfer ever.
I think given where we were a few years back that's excellent progress. Comparing to Brentford isn't really a fair comparison at this stage.
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 11:17 - Jul 19 with 516 views | Trequartista |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 11:12 - Jul 19 by StokieBlue |
It will be roughly level with the second highest Championship transfer ever.
I think given where we were a few years back that's excellent progress. Comparing to Brentford isn't really a fair comparison at this stage.
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Wasn't a comparison in what terms of what we should done, it was just an example of brilliant business. Still good business though, £22.5m was a relatively high price so to get £36m, also a high price, is still good going. [Post edited 19 Jul 12:40]
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 11:18 - Jul 19 with 503 views | Churchman |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 11:07 - Jul 19 by Vic |
Are you for real?
You are either a budgie or are Elephantintheroom reincarnated. |
They’ve got to both be budgies. The ignore button is a thing of beauty, Vic. |  | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 11:44 - Jul 19 with 449 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 10:58 - Jul 19 by Trequartista |
good business but not brilliant. once the add-ons and sell-ons taken into account it's a healthy rather than tremendous profit.
Mbuemo £5.8m -> £65m - that's brilliant business. |
You can't compare a PL transfer with a Championship transfer. If Hutch goes for £40M it will be one of the highest Championship fees ever.
When we're established in the PL like Brentford, we can expect to see similar returns - we're years behind where they are.
Some of our fans desperately need a dose of realism | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 11:47 - Jul 19 with 434 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
If someone offered us £13m "profit" ( after covering initial outlay costs, and Chelsea's 25% cut , for doing nothing) for one of the clubs best, most influential attacking young players, would people consider thst thdn such a good deal?
We have now lost arguably our two.best young attackers for a combined " profit" of of something in the region of, £ 21m
( because football is clearly all about the money these days isn't it), making us considerably less of a potential force as it stands for when we start the season in 3 was time. Are we still all expect a strong challenge on automatic promotion now?
And for those that accuse me of being negative, Id suggest I'm just writing the actual hard facts of the situation as it curre try stands. Are we going to get two equally good attackers for that "profit"? I doubt it.
The football side of the game almost pales into insigficance these days, as " profit" appears to be the first and last thing on the agenda.
So instead of slamming me with the usual vitriol, childish down votes and personal attacks, by some on here, how about an adult discussion about things, please? |
If they were "our" young players, and had come through the ITFC youth system, and we ended up with £13 million for the pair (not sure where you get that figure from, but still) then I would be desperately unhappy.
In contrast, we have plucked two youngsters from two of the richest clubs in world football, had the benefit of one of them playing a huge part in gaining promotion, had the other scoring the goals that enabled us to get some wins against Premier League opposition, and then made a decent chunk of cash on both.
We nicked them. Somebody else nicked them from us. We benefited along the way and at the end. No tears- that's football in 2025. | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 11:51 - Jul 19 with 401 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 10:46 - Jul 19 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Or you achieve both - cash in on Omari AND return to the PL next season. Whilst building a stronger, deeper squad with the development of the next Hutch, Delap, etc |
Or keep hold of him and strengthen our position for promotion and then sell him next season when we’re back in the PL and he’s worth £80m. | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 12:07 - Jul 19 with 378 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 11:51 - Jul 19 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Or keep hold of him and strengthen our position for promotion and then sell him next season when we’re back in the PL and he’s worth £80m. |
We'll probably never know, but the probability of Hutch being worth £80M this time next year is negligible. Once he's proven himself in the PL for a couple of years, maybe, but very, very unlikely on the back of even a successful year in the Championship. | | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 12:38 - Jul 19 with 324 views | Trequartista |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 11:44 - Jul 19 by SuffolkPunchFC |
You can't compare a PL transfer with a Championship transfer. If Hutch goes for £40M it will be one of the highest Championship fees ever.
When we're established in the PL like Brentford, we can expect to see similar returns - we're years behind where they are.
Some of our fans desperately need a dose of realism |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 13:59 - Jul 19 with 195 views | durhamj |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:29 - Jul 19 by chicoazul |
You simply don’t understand how things work.
The likes of Delap and hutch would not sign for us if they didn’t have release clauses and relegation clauses in their contracts. They wouldn’t come. It’s that simple.
And I’m afraid profit is now very important due to the financial regulations football is now subject to.
You’re looking for a grown up conservation but you don’t have a grown ups insight. |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 16:51 - Jul 19 with 64 views | ArnieM |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:36 - Jul 19 by Vic |
I agree that it's all about money. And yes, as things stand, we are weaker as an attacking force.
If the idea is to simply sell off our best players so that year on year the team becomes weaker then you have a point.
But thats not what is intended is it. These players will be sold and others brought in that will overall strengthen the team. That way, like with Burleys team in the late 90's, we will incrementally improve and so make more money.
The weakness of you post is that you seem to be assuming that the end of player trading the team will be worse and weaker. There's no way in thd world that that's the intention. |
Thank you for a sensible reply. I appreciate this.
I'm not assuming we will be weaker at the end of player trading this window, but "I fear we might end up being so". I Hope that makes sense. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 16:54 - Jul 19 with 61 views | ArnieM |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:37 - Jul 19 by surreyblue |
Why do you think we can only spend the profit on signing new players, rather than the amount we get minus any profit sharing?
If i buy a house for 300k and then sell it for 500k two years later, do I only have 200k to spend on a new house? |
If your estate agent takes 25% id think you'd have less, yes. | |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:04 - Jul 19 with 33 views | ArnieM |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:39 - Jul 19 by EddyJ |
This is comparing apples and oranges.
Delap and Hutchinson bring in £70m in revenue, which means we now have £70m to spend. We don't only get to spend the profit. |
Does not the original £20-30m outlay have to taken into account though? That original expenditure has to be "repaid".... so if it was s mortgage, say, of £30m to buy the original asset, but now we sell that asset for £70m, but we have solicitors fees, estate agent %, conveyancing fees, and registry fees etc etc , were probably not much better off, because we're still waiting for that new house to built ( eg potential player to.come in), but there's others after that player, so maybe the price goes up (supply and demand curve shifts to the right)?
I don't profess to be a financial guru (my field is health care!) But I'm trying to grasp the nuts now bolts of thus player wealing n dealing. That doesn't mean I'm not stupid or childish as some on here have suggested, as a response to my post. | |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:13 - Jul 19 with 8 views | ArnieM |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 07:45 - Jul 19 by londonben |
It’s not only 13m though is it, we’re also recouping the 20m we spent in the first place that was already accounted for in our budgeting. This means that if the deal goes through we will have around 35m to reinvest in the team. Our weakness last year wasn’t our wingers, it was our centre mids who just weren’t good enough to cut it in the Prem. No disrespect to them, but back to back promotions meant we were out of our depth. We can afford to cash in on a winger to reinvest elsewhere.
Also, we’re on a massive upward trend as a club, but we’re not big enough to turn down 40m for an unproven 22 year old. Same as Brentford aren’t a big enough club to turn down 70m for their winger. And hopefully Boro aren’t big enough to turn down 20m for Hackney. We’re climbing the food chain but we’re still not massive and we have to accept the realities of that.
Town have been great at keeping their dealings secret this year which is frustrating for us, but probably great for business as a media circus always pushes prices up. It was clear from mid-season last year we were going down and they will have made plans, I’m sure they have some superb signings in the pipeline and we need to trust the process. |
Great post, thank you for that.
I agree with yiu 100%, re the weakness being midfield. We were constantly iverrun and not just at PL level. It was vkear there was a massive task to rebuild the whole squad and it certainly couldn't be fobe in one of teo windows. Personally, I feel the young players we brought in last season were actually eith the Championship in mibs, not the PL. We'd hardly be able to convince experienced PL players to join a newly promoted club, for obvious reasons which eventually came to fruition unfortunately. Whether we can get players to.join us from CC rivalscremsinsvto between because if they're that good ( as id hope they would be) PL may well be our competitors for his signature. Fingers crossed for the next few weeks anyway. | |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:15 - Jul 19 with 4 views | ArnieM |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:01 - Jul 19 by FrimleyBlue |
If it helps
Philogene is basically hutchinson anyway.
Hirst suits our football more than delap did
We will be fine. |
I know who id prefer out of Philogene and Omari!
This is a big season for the former. He needs to show far more than he showed last season in my humble view.... | |
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