| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton 00:00 - Jul 19 with 5935 views | John_Warks_Willy |
down to the scouts who tracked him all the way back then.
Don’t try and tell me otherwise. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:36 - Jul 19 with 929 views | ArnieM |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:40 - Jul 19 by tonybied |
I'm not going to address your "facts" here as they have been well and truly disassembled, as they should be, by plenty of others here.
On your point about being accused of negativity, perhaps if you occasionally posted something positive, then in all likelihood, you wouldn't get accused of this!
If you want to be treated like an adult, and respected, then perhaps use some critical thinking and realise that everything ITFC is not doom and gloom. A lot of the last 12 months was not fun, for various reasons. There are still plenty of positives to be taken from that period too though.
We are in the strongest position this club has been in for decades (with the exception of 12 months ago, of course), on and off the pitch. Most clubs rise to their current peak is not linear, we have to expect hiccups along the way. It's how the club reacts to these hiccups that shows what we are really made of. If we fade back into Championship mediocrity again over the next few years then your negativity would be founded, but let's give it a chance first, hey! [Post edited 19 Jul 8:42]
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I read plenty of negative opinions on here from other posters about the club, and other posters. I'm no different. But I feel I'm targeted for having those views. But I've come to the conclusion this is a forum
" run" by a small core of bullies, who go unmoderated, which essentially makes many people avoid posting their views on here because of the responses they get.
Its a shame really because it should be a very good forum for Town fans, but there's always a feeling of backlash whatever is posted.
I notice a different group of Town fans tend to post under the individual articles section on twtd, but who don't post on the actual forum. There's more tolerance of others opinions in the article section than on here and I'm not really sure why this would be the case. We are all Town fans. But I do wonder if people would respond to others in the same way if they were speaking to them face to face like they speak to people on this forum, I've somehow doubt it. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:43 - Jul 19 with 887 views | RedX |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:36 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
I read plenty of negative opinions on here from other posters about the club, and other posters. I'm no different. But I feel I'm targeted for having those views. But I've come to the conclusion this is a forum
" run" by a small core of bullies, who go unmoderated, which essentially makes many people avoid posting their views on here because of the responses they get.
Its a shame really because it should be a very good forum for Town fans, but there's always a feeling of backlash whatever is posted.
I notice a different group of Town fans tend to post under the individual articles section on twtd, but who don't post on the actual forum. There's more tolerance of others opinions in the article section than on here and I'm not really sure why this would be the case. We are all Town fans. But I do wonder if people would respond to others in the same way if they were speaking to them face to face like they speak to people on this forum, I've somehow doubt it. |
Absolutely spot on.
A handful of “know it alls” who are very visible. |  | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:49 - Jul 19 with 858 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:43 - Jul 19 by RedX |
Absolutely spot on.
A handful of “know it alls” who are very visible. |
Genuine question to both of you.
Should only people who agree with what you post reply? |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:51 - Jul 19 with 844 views | ArnieM |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:48 - Jul 19 by bsw72 |
You are taking a subset of the facts and presenting them in a negative way, without presenting the whole picture though.
We spent around £40M on Delap and Hutchinson while building a squad for last season, we have now got £55M-£60M to help strengthen the squad again, not just this “profit” you seem fixated on being disappointed about.
We also have other players in the squad we didn’t have when we purchased them both, Philogene, Ogbene, Clarke, Szmodics. The squad is stronger than when we bought them both, and while disappointing to lose them, any football supporter who understands the impact of relegation knew we would struggle to keep our better players.
Your constant negative view of the partial facts as you like to present them is getting a bit boring, and just because you don’t like people calling you out for being negative doesn’t mean they’re wrong and are being personal, it’s just fact.
If you don’t like my response explain why we can only use the profit to replace the players, and not the full capital outlay we have recouped. |
I wasn't intending to come across negatively. I honestly have never intended to come across that way and I'm sorry if it's being taken that way by people on here. I think that's the problem with typing as opposed to speaking to someone face to face. Intonation is lost and misunderstandings occur.
Its obviously how I put things across when posting about Town. I know no one will believe me, but I spend my working life encouraging people to have confidence to do things to get better and have a better life. Without intending to blow my own trumpet, I'm known in my profession as quite an inspirational clinician, so stra gy enough although clearly none across as negative, I'm anything but thst with my patients. So I am dorry if I come across as that, and I wish I could make you believe me when I say I'm a totally ardent Town fan who is so proud of how far we've come
since Gamechanger bought us. I think its inspirational tbh. I suppose I've just got to grips with how the modern game is these days and it doesn't sit easy with me when lose brilliant players who have bern here just 2 minutes ( it seems).... anyway, I'll try to come across as more positive.... | |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:52 - Jul 19 with 838 views | DanTheMan |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:49 - Jul 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Genuine question to both of you.
Should only people who agree with what you post reply? |
This is the actual issue, people post hot takes and then get upset when multiple people respond to call them out.
It happens on all "sides". |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:59 - Jul 19 with 814 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:52 - Jul 19 by DanTheMan |
This is the actual issue, people post hot takes and then get upset when multiple people respond to call them out.
It happens on all "sides". |
I also think there are genuinely-held views which appear as if they are hot takes.
The point of a forum is that those can be challenged, though.
Why post it at all if you only want up arrows and replies in total agreement? | |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 18:06 - Jul 19 with 799 views | tonybied |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:36 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
I read plenty of negative opinions on here from other posters about the club, and other posters. I'm no different. But I feel I'm targeted for having those views. But I've come to the conclusion this is a forum
" run" by a small core of bullies, who go unmoderated, which essentially makes many people avoid posting their views on here because of the responses they get.
Its a shame really because it should be a very good forum for Town fans, but there's always a feeling of backlash whatever is posted.
I notice a different group of Town fans tend to post under the individual articles section on twtd, but who don't post on the actual forum. There's more tolerance of others opinions in the article section than on here and I'm not really sure why this would be the case. We are all Town fans. But I do wonder if people would respond to others in the same way if they were speaking to them face to face like they speak to people on this forum, I've somehow doubt it. |
Having some negative opinions is just fine, most others post some negative posts and some positive posts. I myself don't purely post positive stuff about the club all the time either. I'm not targeting you, in fact I don't really remember taking you up on your negativity before but I have noticed it as its consistent. If ALL you can see is negatives, then surely you need to rethink your outlook on life! It would be a miserable existence otherwise. |  | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 18:17 - Jul 19 with 769 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 08:01 - Jul 19 by FrimleyBlue |
If it helps
Philogene is basically hutchinson anyway.
Hirst suits our football more than delap did
We will be fine. |
On what basis? He’s basically Hutch in terms of the fee the club paid but I didn’t see him scare defenders on the ball like Hutchinson did last year with gliding and carrying it into the box.
He’s had some Championship success at Hull but I’m not convinced he is a like for like player at the moment. Let’s see how we go next year with him, McKenna obviously likes him so I’m hopeful! [Post edited 19 Jul 18:19]
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 19:16 - Jul 19 with 678 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:19 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
Well I'm certainly ly seeing it more that way now after last season. Can't say it sits easily with ne as it's not football as id like it to be. But guess I need to evolve with the
" modern game," as much i despise this new " product"! |
I don't fully understand your view point. I get that the game has changed, but you seem to have changed your thinking and made it about profit and loss and finances exclusively, and then not evolved the rest. Back in the day did you evaluate the profit/ loss on I dunno, Steve sedgley, or Mauricio Taricco to pluck random examples out of the ether?! Did you specifically figure out the absolute profit and sustainability and what the club managed to get out of the deal? Seems strange to change your analysis on one hand but not the other. Either the whole games changed or it hasn't. We all agree it has, but you seem to only want to use it to moan or make it all sound negative in our dealings that you wouldn't have dreamt of doing in the 'good old days.' |  | | |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 19:41 - Jul 19 with 636 views | NthQldITFC |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:21 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
Shame about this. I actually used to respect your views on here. |
You're right. Unnecessarily rude on my part. Apologies. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 20:12 - Jul 19 with 549 views | FrimleyBlue |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 18:17 - Jul 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
On what basis? He’s basically Hutch in terms of the fee the club paid but I didn’t see him scare defenders on the ball like Hutchinson did last year with gliding and carrying it into the box.
He’s had some Championship success at Hull but I’m not convinced he is a like for like player at the moment. Let’s see how we go next year with him, McKenna obviously likes him so I’m hopeful! [Post edited 19 Jul 18:19]
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Imo we need to remember how hutch was when first came in. Very raw and took a while. Last season after his first senior year he was OK. Brentford are still buying potential tho not what he did last year imo
Philogene has the same ability. Footwork and desire that hutch has shown us. We couldn't see it as 1. It was prem and 2 as I said earlier he imo lost an identity which I think KM will give him. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 20:17 - Jul 19 with 539 views | ArnieM |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 19:41 - Jul 19 by NthQldITFC |
You're right. Unnecessarily rude on my part. Apologies. |
No problem.
I'm going to leave you guys with my best wishes now. I honestly have no intention of winding any of you up and I'm dorry that you dislike me so much. I've only tried to defend myself at times. but I'm not very good at it, as is clear.
I only want Town to do well and continue to grow which I'm pretty sure we will. Fingers crossed we get some good players in over the next week or two..... | |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 21:20 - Jul 19 with 456 views | tonybied |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 20:17 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
No problem.
I'm going to leave you guys with my best wishes now. I honestly have no intention of winding any of you up and I'm dorry that you dislike me so much. I've only tried to defend myself at times. but I'm not very good at it, as is clear.
I only want Town to do well and continue to grow which I'm pretty sure we will. Fingers crossed we get some good players in over the next week or two..... |
No need to leave us, most of us just disaggree with your seemingly, ever negative viewpoint. It's okay to have a different view on stuff, but if you post it on an open forum expect others to oppose that view, after all we're all town fans here and most want and try to see the club in a positive light. If you just step back and compare our position to 4-5 years ago then it's still extremely positive, if you only look at the last 6-7 months then I can understand a rather negative position. That is a very narrow timeframe to judge a football club on though.
If you only feel negative about our position and vision, and want to communicate that, it's fine, it is after all your perogative. You don't have to change your ways on my account. It makes no difference to my day!
All I will say is:
"Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best
And
Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the light side of life..." [Post edited 19 Jul 21:24]
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 21:23 - Jul 19 with 451 views | Vic |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 17:51 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
I wasn't intending to come across negatively. I honestly have never intended to come across that way and I'm sorry if it's being taken that way by people on here. I think that's the problem with typing as opposed to speaking to someone face to face. Intonation is lost and misunderstandings occur.
Its obviously how I put things across when posting about Town. I know no one will believe me, but I spend my working life encouraging people to have confidence to do things to get better and have a better life. Without intending to blow my own trumpet, I'm known in my profession as quite an inspirational clinician, so stra gy enough although clearly none across as negative, I'm anything but thst with my patients. So I am dorry if I come across as that, and I wish I could make you believe me when I say I'm a totally ardent Town fan who is so proud of how far we've come
since Gamechanger bought us. I think its inspirational tbh. I suppose I've just got to grips with how the modern game is these days and it doesn't sit easy with me when lose brilliant players who have bern here just 2 minutes ( it seems).... anyway, I'll try to come across as more positive.... |
Nice one Arnie, appreciated. |  |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 23:31 - Jul 19 with 368 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 20:17 - Jul 19 by ArnieM |
No problem.
I'm going to leave you guys with my best wishes now. I honestly have no intention of winding any of you up and I'm dorry that you dislike me so much. I've only tried to defend myself at times. but I'm not very good at it, as is clear.
I only want Town to do well and continue to grow which I'm pretty sure we will. Fingers crossed we get some good players in over the next week or two..... |
Arnie, I can only speak for myself but I certainly don't dislike you. I disagree with much of what you say but that is completely different from disliking you. There are many people I like a lot with whom I disagree with a lot of what they say. I would like to think they are comfortable with me expressing where I disagree too.
I hope you are OK and enjoy the season ahead following Town. As you often state we are all fellow fans but with a wide range of views and opinions on many things. The point of a forum like this is to rub those opinions against each other. I appreciate you airing your views but please don't get angry when people challenge them. Also the purpose of them being challenged is that we are all free to change our views on things where we cannot provide a logical defence of them. Of course we are also free to continue in those views even if they cannot be defended. The only ones that shouldn't be tolerated are those that are against the terms and conditions of using the site. | |
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 00:18 - Jul 20 with 306 views | SimonBatfordITFC |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 23:31 - Jul 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Arnie, I can only speak for myself but I certainly don't dislike you. I disagree with much of what you say but that is completely different from disliking you. There are many people I like a lot with whom I disagree with a lot of what they say. I would like to think they are comfortable with me expressing where I disagree too.
I hope you are OK and enjoy the season ahead following Town. As you often state we are all fellow fans but with a wide range of views and opinions on many things. The point of a forum like this is to rub those opinions against each other. I appreciate you airing your views but please don't get angry when people challenge them. Also the purpose of them being challenged is that we are all free to change our views on things where we cannot provide a logical defence of them. Of course we are also free to continue in those views even if they cannot be defended. The only ones that shouldn't be tolerated are those that are against the terms and conditions of using the site. |
Football has become more and more about the money, at almost every level, and I agree that it has changed the game in a negative way.
Arnie stated this and was subjected to a very personal attack, calling them a “bore” for sharing their opinion.
I have been subjected to a number of personal attacks in recent weeks too for sharing what many perceive to be a negative point of view. Personally I just think it’s a more realistic perspective but I can see that it comes across as pessimistic.
I’ll admit that my take on situations hasn’t always turned out to be accurate but I’ll happily admit when this is the case. Ultimately it’s just one fan’s opinion.
It’s all well and good stating that this is a forum where everyone shares their views and that disagreements shouldn’t lead to upset. But often it’s those that disagree that start making personal insults and harassing the users that they disagree with.
Arnie, I’m very sorry that you’ve chosen to take a break but I completely understand why. Hopefully people will learn to be more tolerant in the future. [Post edited 20 Jul 0:20]
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| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 16:52 - Jul 20 with 147 views | southnorfolkblue |
| If we get £40m for Omari that is a quite brilliant bit of business from Ashton on 00:18 - Jul 20 by SimonBatfordITFC |
Football has become more and more about the money, at almost every level, and I agree that it has changed the game in a negative way.
Arnie stated this and was subjected to a very personal attack, calling them a “bore” for sharing their opinion.
I have been subjected to a number of personal attacks in recent weeks too for sharing what many perceive to be a negative point of view. Personally I just think it’s a more realistic perspective but I can see that it comes across as pessimistic.
I’ll admit that my take on situations hasn’t always turned out to be accurate but I’ll happily admit when this is the case. Ultimately it’s just one fan’s opinion.
It’s all well and good stating that this is a forum where everyone shares their views and that disagreements shouldn’t lead to upset. But often it’s those that disagree that start making personal insults and harassing the users that they disagree with.
Arnie, I’m very sorry that you’ve chosen to take a break but I completely understand why. Hopefully people will learn to be more tolerant in the future. [Post edited 20 Jul 0:20]
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It’s the scourge of the internet I’m afraid. Life was much easier 30 years ago when arguments on football were limited to the pub! It’s always easier to gauge the tone of a face to face conversation rather than the written word which is always open to being misconstrued.
I know Im by no means perfect but being respectful in the way people disagree shouldn’t be too much of an ask. I suspect very few people on here actually know each other or what’s going on in peoples lives, so i think people should be cut some slack. I’d hate to think that someone’s mental health might get affected because people choose to pile on them here. | |
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