| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ 16:03 - Oct 25 with 15196 views | MrPotatoHead |
Today. Surprised to read that, not sure what was difficult about it unless I’m missing something? |  | | |  |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 08:59 - Oct 26 with 949 views | Blue_Heath |
McKenna was doing a 'Mick' having a go only he did it with more subtlety. |  | | |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:01 - Oct 26 with 946 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 08:40 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue |
It's really difficult to get that balance
you need support to get going, you need the team to get going to get the desire to show support.
The support of the town is there when ST holders and other successful people get their tickets for the game, buying food, drink, merch etc, that's support in itself.
Sitting watching the game, I remember when I used to go, if the ground was buzzing, i'd be singing, clapping all sorts, but if it was a dab 0-0 it was quiet, I just hugged myself to keep myself warm and just watched the game.
I think there are certain things that have changed since 23/24 season, you mention walton for example, he kept hold of the ball alot more yesturday imo that historicially, someone mentioned it during the week, one of the advantages of walton being back in was that he loved to throw the ball out and get going again, i don't feel he did this yesturday and we were allowing brom to get set again before we slowly brought the ball out.
I think the biggest issue between that balance needed is that under let's call it, new ipswich, we haven't as yet seen a peak KM ipswich goal. Pass pass pass pass goal, even yesturdays was a high press, keeper save open net for clarke.
When you think back to the goals under KM in 23/24, many started back with hladky and ended up in the goal opposite.
This is why i was partly suprised by KMs after game mention, he himself spoke of the need of the players to get the fans onside, that's the same around every ground imo.
I think we've scored as a team something like 3 outfield goals across the team if you ignore philogene and clarke. ( That 3 maybe 4, im not 100% sure) .
At the moment, I don't think KM quite knows his best 11, that's fair, like he said to him this was matchday 7.
So i think once we get a regular team going, some exciting football, some prime town goals under KM, everything will start looking better again. |
McKenna wasn’t talking about season tickets or the number of sausage rolls sold and nor was I, so I don’t understand where you’re going with that one? How does the number of pies sold yesterday affect player performance?
How long ago were you “hugging yourself”, until yesterday,I thought the days of a silent PR were long gone.
Your paragraph about Walton assumes the crowd know more about football than a professional footballer. Let me tell you, half our crowd are thick as mince.
Why “ignore philogene and clarke”? Unless to create a false stat to fit a narrative? We are 4th for goals scored, that’s the only info needed. [Post edited 26 Oct 9:03]
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:10 - Oct 26 with 900 views | Swansea_Blue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 08:22 - Oct 26 by Cheltenham_Blue |
This.
The ball went back to Walton early in the 2nd half and he stood on it and watched what was developing in front of him for maybe 6 or 7 seconds. The crowd, mainly the North stand started shouting at him to get rid of it. At the time it confused me, as no Albion player was coming near him, so started to wonder if some in our support don’t understand the 8 second rule.
Every time we played a loose ball, especially in the 2nd half the noise from all four corners of the ground was significant and at times louder than when we were having good possession, I’m used to hearing exasperated groans from the PR crowd, but in this game in particular it was more of a collective, aggressive “for focks sake”. For most of the 2nd half the place was totally silent and, it felt like the entire place could turn if we went a goal behind, then we have Hirst booed off by sections of the crowd, on top of some players getting criticism from supporters all season.
Then when McKenna mentions this, in as low a level as it’s possible to do, some get all riled up in a moment of “how dare he” energy. Whether people like it or not, compared to how Portman Road has been over the last 3 seasons, as a support we’re currently a pretty poor imitation of ourselves and this club has depended on that support to get them through. Think about that night vs Southampton, without the support that night we absolutely do not end up 3-2 winners.
I’m sure I’ll get a few ‘players need to earn it’ or ‘the spine of the team has been ripped out’ type responses. And yep you’re right they absolutely need to earn it but for gods sake, give them a chance to do so. And that spine of the team? Heroes everyone of them, of course. But at the same time, they all had a season in the Prem and with the exception of the two we sold in the summer, all showed that they weren’t good enough at that level. All those heroes were one promotion away from 80% saying they need to be moved on. So why not do it now.
We’ve got a new side. It’ll come together, keep the faith, support these players and find new heroes |
I’m not sure what the answer is. People seem so impatient and quicker to anger in general these days. Football can’t always be 100 miles an hour on the front foot, yet this is what a lot of people seem to expect and then they get arsey when they don’t get what they want and leave early in a huff. They’re going to struggle through life’s up and downs if they get wound up at a football match. |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:12 - Oct 26 with 895 views | Ryorry |
Maybe he was just referring to the crowd's reaction to Hirst being subbed, which would be him simply supporting his player & perfectly reasonable (and, I was going to say, understandable - but ... if so, apparently it wasn't!). |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:15 - Oct 26 with 881 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:10 - Oct 26 by Swansea_Blue |
I’m not sure what the answer is. People seem so impatient and quicker to anger in general these days. Football can’t always be 100 miles an hour on the front foot, yet this is what a lot of people seem to expect and then they get arsey when they don’t get what they want and leave early in a huff. They’re going to struggle through life’s up and downs if they get wound up at a football match. |
I think is a loose reflection on modern life.
People have their opinions, they always have done, but previously if their opinion was wrong then it was just that, wrong.
Now everyone feels their opinion has importance and therefore is not and cannot be ‘wrong’.
See also being ‘offended’ | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:15 - Oct 26 with 874 views | Herbivore |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 20:24 - Oct 25 by 3_5_2 |
Flat all game. Was 65 minutes before the crowd made any decent noise.
The crowd not the issue here tho.
Find his starting XI and stick to it. Do your subs to affect the game.
Oh and buy a 9 with a decent touch / hold up play in the January window |
"Do your subs to affect the game."
You mean like yesterday when the three non-enforced subs combined for our winning goal? |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:15 - Oct 26 with 878 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:01 - Oct 26 by Cheltenham_Blue |
McKenna wasn’t talking about season tickets or the number of sausage rolls sold and nor was I, so I don’t understand where you’re going with that one? How does the number of pies sold yesterday affect player performance?
How long ago were you “hugging yourself”, until yesterday,I thought the days of a silent PR were long gone.
Your paragraph about Walton assumes the crowd know more about football than a professional footballer. Let me tell you, half our crowd are thick as mince.
Why “ignore philogene and clarke”? Unless to create a false stat to fit a narrative? We are 4th for goals scored, that’s the only info needed. [Post edited 26 Oct 9:03]
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Why are you so passive aggressive Chelts?
I mentioned the sales etc just as a base of the support that's already been provided by those in attendance, the rest of that support - the chants, the clapping etc comes from what happens on the pitch. imo it always has done and does across the country. So was just saying the support is 100% there
"Your paragraph about Walton assumes the crowd know more about football than a professional footballer. Let me tell you, half our crowd are thick as mince."
No it doesn't, it means as already mentioned, walton historically threw the ball out quickly and we drove up the pitch.. absolutely agree, he may felt everytime that wasnt on, that's fine in itself im not questioning it, but again, that's another area of something that then turns a crowd from quiet to ooooo look at us push- GO ON!!! etc
"Why “ignore philogene and clarke”? Unless to create a false stat to fit a narrative? We are 4th for goals scored, that’s the only info needed"
There's no narrative, i was simply explaining around that quote, how the crowds haven't witnessed many 'ipswich' goals so far this season. Reason for saying ignoring philogene and clarke, is that philogenes were mainly self made and clarkes have been tap ins or pen, but he's made the efforts to be in the right place, so there's no slight about his goals in anyway, but as a crowd, there's been barely any 'ipswich goals' that have come from the back, up the pitch and a goal scored, ala chappers v hull, a wes v coventry, etc
I think overtime when we start to see some of these chances being taken when we have progressed up the pitch, people will start to get more excited again i think, that trust of slowly building from the back will return ( altho lets be honest, even in 23/24 you still had many saying get rid of it....
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:17 - Oct 26 with 872 views | SheffordBlue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 08:55 - Oct 26 by Herbivore |
For a side that has a real lack of creativity, we are second or third in the xG table (depending on which source you use) so compared to the rest of the division we really aren't lacking in creativity. We've not taken our chances as well as we need to and we've been sloppy at the back at key times but the characterisation of us from the negative nellies on here is quite a way off reality. We need to improve still and if/when that happens we'll be excellent but we're already doing enough to win most of our games, we just haven't been clinical enough in both boxes, and that's despite not yet getting out of third gear this season. |
Yup - we're also 2nd for 'Big Chances' - the problem with that is that we're 1st for Big Chances Missed. If/when we start converting the high quality chances we create - particularly when they happen earlier in games - then we'll have some more comfortable wins I think.
The games against the low block teams are only frustrating if we don't score in the first 15-20 minutes. | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:18 - Oct 26 with 874 views | DJR |
The acoustics have never been great with the divide between upper and lower SBR but it strikes me that the drop off in noise started last season when the crowd seemed rather nervous.
This season it hasn't helped that some of the old songs have disappeared but it is rather sad that we don't even seem able to muster "Come you Blues" at corners.
It is also noticeable that the away following has been much quieter than last season when we seemed to manage to sing nearly all game even though the results weren't going our way. [Post edited 26 Oct 9:18]
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:19 - Oct 26 with 858 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:15 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Why are you so passive aggressive Chelts?
I mentioned the sales etc just as a base of the support that's already been provided by those in attendance, the rest of that support - the chants, the clapping etc comes from what happens on the pitch. imo it always has done and does across the country. So was just saying the support is 100% there
"Your paragraph about Walton assumes the crowd know more about football than a professional footballer. Let me tell you, half our crowd are thick as mince."
No it doesn't, it means as already mentioned, walton historically threw the ball out quickly and we drove up the pitch.. absolutely agree, he may felt everytime that wasnt on, that's fine in itself im not questioning it, but again, that's another area of something that then turns a crowd from quiet to ooooo look at us push- GO ON!!! etc
"Why “ignore philogene and clarke”? Unless to create a false stat to fit a narrative? We are 4th for goals scored, that’s the only info needed"
There's no narrative, i was simply explaining around that quote, how the crowds haven't witnessed many 'ipswich' goals so far this season. Reason for saying ignoring philogene and clarke, is that philogenes were mainly self made and clarkes have been tap ins or pen, but he's made the efforts to be in the right place, so there's no slight about his goals in anyway, but as a crowd, there's been barely any 'ipswich goals' that have come from the back, up the pitch and a goal scored, ala chappers v hull, a wes v coventry, etc
I think overtime when we start to see some of these chances being taken when we have progressed up the pitch, people will start to get more excited again i think, that trust of slowly building from the back will return ( altho lets be honest, even in 23/24 you still had many saying get rid of it....
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Just calling you out Frimmers. It’s a forum I’m allowed to do that. | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:21 - Oct 26 with 857 views | Plums |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 08:40 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue |
It's really difficult to get that balance
you need support to get going, you need the team to get going to get the desire to show support.
The support of the town is there when ST holders and other successful people get their tickets for the game, buying food, drink, merch etc, that's support in itself.
Sitting watching the game, I remember when I used to go, if the ground was buzzing, i'd be singing, clapping all sorts, but if it was a dab 0-0 it was quiet, I just hugged myself to keep myself warm and just watched the game.
I think there are certain things that have changed since 23/24 season, you mention walton for example, he kept hold of the ball alot more yesturday imo that historicially, someone mentioned it during the week, one of the advantages of walton being back in was that he loved to throw the ball out and get going again, i don't feel he did this yesturday and we were allowing brom to get set again before we slowly brought the ball out.
I think the biggest issue between that balance needed is that under let's call it, new ipswich, we haven't as yet seen a peak KM ipswich goal. Pass pass pass pass goal, even yesturdays was a high press, keeper save open net for clarke.
When you think back to the goals under KM in 23/24, many started back with hladky and ended up in the goal opposite.
This is why i was partly suprised by KMs after game mention, he himself spoke of the need of the players to get the fans onside, that's the same around every ground imo.
I think we've scored as a team something like 3 outfield goals across the team if you ignore philogene and clarke. ( That 3 maybe 4, im not 100% sure) .
At the moment, I don't think KM quite knows his best 11, that's fair, like he said to him this was matchday 7.
So i think once we get a regular team going, some exciting football, some prime town goals under KM, everything will start looking better again. |
On the Walton thing:
I watched on TV yesterday and could hear him being yelled at for doing exactly what he did so successfully in League One. I vividly remember him standing on the ball during that great night at Barnsley for 20, possibly 30 seconds waiting for their striker to lose patience and come onto him so we could pass through them.
At times he threw the ball out, at times he held it back. It's almost as though as a team we're being set up to find different solutions to the problems presented by the opposition.
For fans to suddenly berate a keeper for doing his job and clearly following instructions is absolutely mystifying. |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:21 - Oct 26 with 851 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:19 - Oct 26 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Just calling you out Frimmers. It’s a forum I’m allowed to do that. |
I get that, but I don't see what im being called out for, im not really disagreeing with you. | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:24 - Oct 26 with 837 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:21 - Oct 26 by Plums |
On the Walton thing:
I watched on TV yesterday and could hear him being yelled at for doing exactly what he did so successfully in League One. I vividly remember him standing on the ball during that great night at Barnsley for 20, possibly 30 seconds waiting for their striker to lose patience and come onto him so we could pass through them.
At times he threw the ball out, at times he held it back. It's almost as though as a team we're being set up to find different solutions to the problems presented by the opposition.
For fans to suddenly berate a keeper for doing his job and clearly following instructions is absolutely mystifying. |
Think that's exactly why palmer came out and said that although some things may look wrong, or somethings may not go to plan, it's mainly part of what the manager wants. | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:30 - Oct 26 with 821 views | Plums |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:24 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Think that's exactly why palmer came out and said that although some things may look wrong, or somethings may not go to plan, it's mainly part of what the manager wants. |
Players have been saying the same under McKenna for the past three years yet it would appear some of us still don't understand it! | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:30 - Oct 26 with 808 views | ernie |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 08:55 - Oct 26 by Herbivore |
For a side that has a real lack of creativity, we are second or third in the xG table (depending on which source you use) so compared to the rest of the division we really aren't lacking in creativity. We've not taken our chances as well as we need to and we've been sloppy at the back at key times but the characterisation of us from the negative nellies on here is quite a way off reality. We need to improve still and if/when that happens we'll be excellent but we're already doing enough to win most of our games, we just haven't been clinical enough in both boxes, and that's despite not yet getting out of third gear this season. |
We created no clear cut chances of note yesterday apart from the few shots early on in the first half and virtually the same on Tuesday, despite whatever XG chart tables you want to pull out of your backside. | | | |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:33 - Oct 26 with 815 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:21 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue |
I get that, but I don't see what im being called out for, im not really disagreeing with you. |
I went through the points in your post that made no sense based on your reply to my post.
I really can’t be any clearer Frimmers so here we go again.
I talked about the support from the stands and crowd noise, you talked about retail sales and season tickets as an indicator that the support is there. Apples and Oranges
I mentioned the crowd getting on Waltons back, you brought up I think one? post on here saying the advantage of Walton is he distributes the ball quicker and then applied that post to a whole section of the crowd.
I mentioned it being a new team and for some reason you brought up that we had only scored 3 or 4 outfield goals “if you ignore Clarke and Philogene” I still can’t understand the point you were making here, nor why.
Basically your response was rambling bobbins that still makes no sense as a reply to my post. | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:34 - Oct 26 with 813 views | Ryorry |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:30 - Oct 26 by ernie |
We created no clear cut chances of note yesterday apart from the few shots early on in the first half and virtually the same on Tuesday, despite whatever XG chart tables you want to pull out of your backside. |
" ...... apart from the few shots early on in the first half ..."
Rofl. | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:46 - Oct 26 with 775 views | WeWereZombies |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 16:27 - Oct 25 by Illinoisblue |
KM has the credit in the bank to have a dig at fans. Don’t have a problem with it. Seem to recall Sir Bobby did it a few times also |
Oh really ? What did Sir Bobby say about us ? |  |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:54 - Oct 26 with 738 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:33 - Oct 26 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I went through the points in your post that made no sense based on your reply to my post.
I really can’t be any clearer Frimmers so here we go again.
I talked about the support from the stands and crowd noise, you talked about retail sales and season tickets as an indicator that the support is there. Apples and Oranges
I mentioned the crowd getting on Waltons back, you brought up I think one? post on here saying the advantage of Walton is he distributes the ball quicker and then applied that post to a whole section of the crowd.
I mentioned it being a new team and for some reason you brought up that we had only scored 3 or 4 outfield goals “if you ignore Clarke and Philogene” I still can’t understand the point you were making here, nor why.
Basically your response was rambling bobbins that still makes no sense as a reply to my post. |
So instead of just saying thanks frimmers, not quite sure how that relates to my post but appreciate your contribution, you instead wish to be passive aggressive instead.
clearly i've not made sense in my reply, apologies for that | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:59 - Oct 26 with 720 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:54 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue |
So instead of just saying thanks frimmers, not quite sure how that relates to my post but appreciate your contribution, you instead wish to be passive aggressive instead.
clearly i've not made sense in my reply, apologies for that |
If you don’t like me Frimmers pop me on ignore.
Not sure of the need for repeated name calling. | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 10:00 - Oct 26 with 709 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:59 - Oct 26 by Cheltenham_Blue |
If you don’t like me Frimmers pop me on ignore.
Not sure of the need for repeated name calling. |
I quite like your posts chelts, just asking for assistance in your replies if i've made a pigsear of my own response to you | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 10:07 - Oct 26 with 672 views | Herbivore |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:30 - Oct 26 by ernie |
We created no clear cut chances of note yesterday apart from the few shots early on in the first half and virtually the same on Tuesday, despite whatever XG chart tables you want to pull out of your backside. |
That's just not true though. | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 10:22 - Oct 26 with 619 views | WeWereZombies |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 09:30 - Oct 26 by ernie |
We created no clear cut chances of note yesterday apart from the few shots early on in the first half and virtually the same on Tuesday, despite whatever XG chart tables you want to pull out of your backside. |
Yes, exactly...well, apart from the two Walle Egeli shots and the two chances after the goal that Jack Clarke, maybe, should have buried. Oh, and the Philogene shot in the first half that Griffiths made an excellent save to prevent a goal that would have changed the game. Then he had that shot/cross that Smozdics stretched but failed to get a touch to. But apart from those, nothing...unless I've forgot some. | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 10:25 - Oct 26 with 605 views | FrimleyBlue |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 10:22 - Oct 26 by WeWereZombies |
Yes, exactly...well, apart from the two Walle Egeli shots and the two chances after the goal that Jack Clarke, maybe, should have buried. Oh, and the Philogene shot in the first half that Griffiths made an excellent save to prevent a goal that would have changed the game. Then he had that shot/cross that Smozdics stretched but failed to get a touch to. But apart from those, nothing...unless I've forgot some. |
Those egeli chances. Just to help with my understanding of xgs.. do they count towards that?
They were really difficult chances let alone for a youngster. So just curious are they seen as half chances or real chances again xgs? | |
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| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 10:38 - Oct 26 with 586 views | WeWereZombies |
| McKenna referenced a ‘really, really difficult atmosphere’ on 10:25 - Oct 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Those egeli chances. Just to help with my understanding of xgs.. do they count towards that?
They were really difficult chances let alone for a youngster. So just curious are they seen as half chances or real chances again xgs? |
I've no idea how the assessors rate things but there have been discussions between TV pundits and also on here about the quality of the chances being more important than the technical presence of a chance. I guess Walle Egeli's chances may have counted and my inexpert view is that he should have at least got them on target. But I also think that in both instances he wasn't quite set right in the body to hit the ball cleanly.
As you say, difficult for a youngster and let's hope he matures into the type of player such as Haaland who can shape up for a shot whilst launching themselves off one foot and everything else apparently akimbo. | |
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