| If we get promoted this season, 23:08 - Nov 12 with 3100 views | itfc1108 |
Do people think that we would pay the penalty, to cancel the obligations to buy Cajuste and/or Akpom?
I know Chelsea did with Jadon Sancho, and even though more high profile, was fairly humiliating for him.
I think we would proceed with Kipre, and I can see us maybe trying to sign Azon permanently in January.
But I understand it's probably unfair to judge either way, so early in the season, on all 4 loanee's. [Post edited 13 Nov 0:48]
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| If we get promoted this season, on 08:31 - Nov 13 with 2450 views | itfcjoe |
If it is not possible then you probably just suck it up and either utilise them or move them on again either on loan or permanently |  |
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| If we get promoted this season, on 08:33 - Nov 13 with 2430 views | homer_123 |
Much like Taylor. It's evident KM sees a lot to like in Cajuste (in fact all of them) otherwise they wouldn't be here.
It would be a good problem to have, let's leave it there. |  |
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| If we get promoted this season, on 08:41 - Nov 13 with 2398 views | PioneerBlue |
Lots of ifs and buts in there. People are very quick to write players off. Taylor has already been mentioned above, Cajuste has had 1 1/3 seasons in English football. 1 in a struggling PL side, 1/3 in a newly built Championship side, thats hardly stable state to adjust and perform. Im sure he can make a valuable contribution this season no matter how the season ends. | |
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| If we get promoted this season, on 09:05 - Nov 13 with 2280 views | Harwich_Blue |
Seriously are we now questioning a player of Cajustes quality a quarter way in to the season , after the majority of fans were clamoring for him to sign and stated he is too good for the championship!!!!!!!!
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| If we get promoted this season, on 09:11 - Nov 13 with 2249 views | lurcher |
Doubt it, they might become fringe players if we find better. But they could both really push on over the next few months and become indispensable. |  | | |
| If we get promoted this season, on 09:25 - Nov 13 with 2174 views | Cafe_Newman |
| If we get promoted this season, on 09:05 - Nov 13 by Harwich_Blue |
Seriously are we now questioning a player of Cajustes quality a quarter way in to the season , after the majority of fans were clamoring for him to sign and stated he is too good for the championship!!!!!!!!
Wow |
It's incredible Cajuste has gone from purring Silver Spirit to a written-off banger while Jack Taylor has morphed into a classic Capri from an old Ford Anglia.
It's all "all or nothing" these days. |  | | |
| If we get promoted this season, on 09:30 - Nov 13 with 2149 views | MrPotatoHead |
Far too early for this talk, it wouldn't surprise me if 1 or both of those are players come the end of the season where we're very glad we can make perm.
If not, £10m - £15m on 2 players isn't that meaningful by premier league standards, we can get some nice loan fees or sell them on and recoup that I would think. |  | | |
| If we get promoted this season, on 10:06 - Nov 13 with 2001 views | Radlett_blue |
| If we get promoted this season, on 08:31 - Nov 13 by itfcjoe |
If it is not possible then you probably just suck it up and either utilise them or move them on again either on loan or permanently |
They could be squad players in a Town in the PL, but where do we find notably better players without mortgaging the club?
Yes, Sunderland seem to have recruited well so maybe it can be done. |  |
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| If we get promoted this season, on 10:17 - Nov 13 with 1937 views | BloomBlue |
No, we aren't Chelsea who will happily waste millions.
We don't want to become a club who are saying to players come and join us and if you help us win success, as per your contract, we will shaft you as soon as we achieve success.
Yes all clubs will sell players after promotion etc, but to agree a deal and then pull out after agreeing a deal, will go against us.
Don't forget Chelsea paid £5m to pull out of the Sancho deal. |  | | |
| If we get promoted this season, on 10:23 - Nov 13 with 1918 views | FrimleyBlue |
| If we get promoted this season, on 10:17 - Nov 13 by BloomBlue |
No, we aren't Chelsea who will happily waste millions.
We don't want to become a club who are saying to players come and join us and if you help us win success, as per your contract, we will shaft you as soon as we achieve success.
Yes all clubs will sell players after promotion etc, but to agree a deal and then pull out after agreeing a deal, will go against us.
Don't forget Chelsea paid £5m to pull out of the Sancho deal. |
True. But you can say your knee really doesn't allow you to get the best if you throughout a game. When youre able you're incredibly gifted on the pitch but you seem to go through 5 minute bursts of excellence to 10 minutes of recovery.
Think cajuste has a lot of fans at town. But the truth appears that fitness wise he may stay on the pitch for 60 minutes if he starts but we only see the best of him for 15 of those.
I like cajuste. Hes got bags of ability. But his lack of fitness is so evident which is why taylor playing has really shown the differences in fitness levels of the two. |  |
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| If we get promoted this season, on 10:24 - Nov 13 with 1924 views | GavTWTD |
If we get promoted there could be another lot of player "churn", especially if Sunderland buck the trend of relegation. We didn't get the recruitment right last time.
I still think Akpom will come good and Cajuste will be invaluable to us this season with injury and suspension. |  |
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| If we get promoted this season, on 10:31 - Nov 13 with 1891 views | Guthrum |
| If we get promoted this season, on 09:25 - Nov 13 by Cafe_Newman |
It's incredible Cajuste has gone from purring Silver Spirit to a written-off banger while Jack Taylor has morphed into a classic Capri from an old Ford Anglia.
It's all "all or nothing" these days. |
It seems many fans were expecting Cajuste to win games on his own in the Champ, whereas Taylor's physicality has allowed him to surprise those who wrote him off a year or two ago. |  |
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| If we get promoted this season, on 10:48 - Nov 13 with 1809 views | HighgateBlue |
| If we get promoted this season, on 09:25 - Nov 13 by Cafe_Newman |
It's incredible Cajuste has gone from purring Silver Spirit to a written-off banger while Jack Taylor has morphed into a classic Capri from an old Ford Anglia.
It's all "all or nothing" these days. |
Indeed. Cajuste was never a Silver Spirit, purring or otherwise, but equally he ain't no banger. He'll need to earn his place in this *Championship* side on merit, and I'm not totally confident he currently deserves it.
The disparity between writing off the rest of our PL midfield but drooling over Cajuste never made any sense (especially as Morsy had a better PPG than Cajuste in our PL season).
It is clear from the form of SS and Akpom that some players perform to different levels depending on a number of factors, including club context. They may never come good for Town, or they may eventually have a Taylor-like renaissance. None of these players were bad players, or have become bad players, but some will succeed here, whilst others won't.
Clarke and Philogene are other really interesting examples! Clarke was heroic for Sunderland and then became lightweight and ineffectual for us, before he suddenly very much wasn't! |  | | |
| If we get promoted this season, on 10:48 - Nov 13 with 1810 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| If we get promoted this season, on 09:05 - Nov 13 by Harwich_Blue |
Seriously are we now questioning a player of Cajustes quality a quarter way in to the season , after the majority of fans were clamoring for him to sign and stated he is too good for the championship!!!!!!!!
Wow |
I still think Cajuste is our best player after Leif [Post edited 13 Nov 10:49]
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| If we get promoted this season, on 11:00 - Nov 13 with 1740 views | Bluemike31 |
For me the problem is not so much people talking Cajuste down now but more the ridiculous levels of bigging him up before, decent yes, great no, and definitely a luxury player what with his levels of fitness etc. | | | |
| If we get promoted this season, on 11:01 - Nov 13 with 1727 views | Cafe_Newman |
| If we get promoted this season, on 10:48 - Nov 13 by HighgateBlue |
Indeed. Cajuste was never a Silver Spirit, purring or otherwise, but equally he ain't no banger. He'll need to earn his place in this *Championship* side on merit, and I'm not totally confident he currently deserves it.
The disparity between writing off the rest of our PL midfield but drooling over Cajuste never made any sense (especially as Morsy had a better PPG than Cajuste in our PL season).
It is clear from the form of SS and Akpom that some players perform to different levels depending on a number of factors, including club context. They may never come good for Town, or they may eventually have a Taylor-like renaissance. None of these players were bad players, or have become bad players, but some will succeed here, whilst others won't.
Clarke and Philogene are other really interesting examples! Clarke was heroic for Sunderland and then became lightweight and ineffectual for us, before he suddenly very much wasn't! |
"Clarke was heroic for Sunderland and then became lightweight and ineffectual for us, before he suddenly very much wasn't!"
Nicely put. As I said, it's all or nothing for most people. | | | |
| If we get promoted this season, on 16:18 - Nov 13 with 1329 views | cbower |
| If we get promoted this season, on 10:23 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
True. But you can say your knee really doesn't allow you to get the best if you throughout a game. When youre able you're incredibly gifted on the pitch but you seem to go through 5 minute bursts of excellence to 10 minutes of recovery.
Think cajuste has a lot of fans at town. But the truth appears that fitness wise he may stay on the pitch for 60 minutes if he starts but we only see the best of him for 15 of those.
I like cajuste. Hes got bags of ability. But his lack of fitness is so evident which is why taylor playing has really shown the differences in fitness levels of the two. |
This is at the heart of my concerns about Cajuste. On the ball, he can look genuine class. However, beyond 60 minutes and he is shot. At times, off the ball, he is jogging when the ball in turned over even early on in a game, never mind when his inability to last beyond 60 kicks in. This is why he should not be the staple of a midfield two and why Taylor, a far less talented player than Cajuste, should be. You can't have 50% of the engine room of the team unable to function fully for 30 minutes every time they start a game. |  |
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| If we get promoted this season, on 17:29 - Nov 13 with 1153 views | FrimleyBlue |
| If we get promoted this season, on 16:18 - Nov 13 by cbower |
This is at the heart of my concerns about Cajuste. On the ball, he can look genuine class. However, beyond 60 minutes and he is shot. At times, off the ball, he is jogging when the ball in turned over even early on in a game, never mind when his inability to last beyond 60 kicks in. This is why he should not be the staple of a midfield two and why Taylor, a far less talented player than Cajuste, should be. You can't have 50% of the engine room of the team unable to function fully for 30 minutes every time they start a game. |
I don't even think it's a beyond 60 minute issue, although by that time yeah hes fked i think.
Even uptop those 60 minutes, we get the beauty of his game, the quick turn, good feet, he gets us up the pitch. But then it's like he needs 10 minutes to recover from that moment and we're waiting for another, and then it comes and the process repeats.
I love cajuste, bags of potential and when he's able to get on it, he's 100% way way above championship level. But imo you can evidently see the knee issue in play. | |
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| If we get promoted this season, on 12:04 - Nov 14 with 815 views | glasso |
| If we get promoted this season, on 10:23 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
True. But you can say your knee really doesn't allow you to get the best if you throughout a game. When youre able you're incredibly gifted on the pitch but you seem to go through 5 minute bursts of excellence to 10 minutes of recovery.
Think cajuste has a lot of fans at town. But the truth appears that fitness wise he may stay on the pitch for 60 minutes if he starts but we only see the best of him for 15 of those.
I like cajuste. Hes got bags of ability. But his lack of fitness is so evident which is why taylor playing has really shown the differences in fitness levels of the two. |
But we've had him at the club for a year and we knew all of that and signed him anyway.
We can't suddenly pretend to be surprised and cancel the deal because it turns out he's got the same knees he had last time he was in the building. | | | |
| If we get promoted this season, on 13:28 - Nov 14 with 683 views | Radlett_blue |
| If we get promoted this season, on 11:01 - Nov 13 by Cafe_Newman |
"Clarke was heroic for Sunderland and then became lightweight and ineffectual for us, before he suddenly very much wasn't!"
Nicely put. As I said, it's all or nothing for most people. |
Clarke was a top Championship player. He understandably found it difficult to make an impact in a struggling Premier League team, while showing some flashes but he attracted a lot of ill informed criticism as a new, expensive recruit. He's now again showing what a good player he is. Whether he can step up if Town go up & recruit more effectively remains to be seen. | |
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