| Income Tax rise ditched 07:21 - Nov 14 with 11062 views | SitfcB |
https://news.sky.com/story/sta
First reported by the FT
https://www.ft.com/content/6cb
Said on here before I don’t think I would begrudge paying a few P more in tax providing things would get better on the whole, and proving the £50k threshold was raised why was there such outrage at the thought of it?
Purely because it would’ve broken their manifesto?
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:11 - Nov 14 with 901 views | Herbivore |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:03 - Nov 14 by nrb1985 |
like higher growth, less debt and increased productivity?!
Out of interest, what's your solution then to the issue of things like demographics we have in the west? What should we be chasing?
Lower growth and more debt? |
Have you ever considered that maybe our existing form of capitalism isn't fit to address the problems of the modern world? |  |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:17 - Nov 14 with 872 views | nrb1985 |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:11 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
Have you ever considered that maybe our existing form of capitalism isn't fit to address the problems of the modern world? |
Have you ever considered why countries with similar GDP, demographics etc have a much higher standard of living than the UK and capitalism in the current guise works well for them? |  | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:18 - Nov 14 with 868 views | chicoazul |
lol
Lmao |  |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:19 - Nov 14 with 866 views | Herbivore |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:17 - Nov 14 by nrb1985 |
Have you ever considered why countries with similar GDP, demographics etc have a much higher standard of living than the UK and capitalism in the current guise works well for them? |
So that's a no then. | |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:20 - Nov 14 with 860 views | baxterbasics |
Well that's a small relief for me then. Only the also-mooted per-mile charge on EVs and the raid on salary sacrifice schemes left to worry about. Yay. |  |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:20 - Nov 14 with 857 views | LutherBlissett |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:17 - Nov 14 by nrb1985 |
Have you ever considered why countries with similar GDP, demographics etc have a much higher standard of living than the UK and capitalism in the current guise works well for them? |
Everything is working so well that we'll have to consider UBI? Huh. | | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:20 - Nov 14 with 855 views | Benters |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 08:30 - Nov 14 by Kieran_Knows |
They’re all w4nkers.
Labour get in - spend 4 years blaming everything the Tories had done the previous 4 years.
Tories get in - spend 4 years blaming everything Labour had done the previous 4 years.
Rinse and repeat, over and over again. |
Spot on. |  |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:27 - Nov 14 with 832 views | JammyDodgerrr |
News coming in now that the forecasts have significantly improved so they've been able to drop the decision to do it, which is good news I suppose.
That said, pretty frustrating - the 2 up 2 down swap between Income Tax and NI is genuinely a good, needed idea and should happen. |  |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:28 - Nov 14 with 833 views | The_Major |
Utterly pathetic.
Like Sitters said, most people aren't going to begrudge paying a little more extra to help finance things better for the whole - to put it in Reform speak, it's the patriotic thing to do. I see there's a group of very wealthy people (including the Greggs CEO) touring agreeing with this - saying that people in their wealth bracket should pay more as they have the broadest shoulders.
Problem is with that is that you get snarks saying "Well, you can pay voluntairly, you know" to which my answer is simple - How do you know they haven't?
I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in a government. They're absolutely gutless. They've got an eye spinning majority in the HoC - these are not the days of the Coalition, or the Wilson/Callaghan governments staggering on for years with a single figure majority.
You've got that majority - use it. Stop basing your decisions on the fear that you don't want to upset a group of people who aren't going to vote for you even if you give the entire population £1m each, lower the state pension age to 43, free public transport across the board or ensure that everyone has invicible immortality.
Stop sitting there worrying what how the Daily Mail is going to react. Who cares? The Daily Mail is a newspaper owned by a billionaire that lives in France, doesn't pay UK tax, and had a grandfather that used the newspaper to support the Nazis, and stayed as a guest of Hitler in 1937! It's a disgusting putrid vessel that constantly sneers at this country and is downright treacherous.
Stop sitting there worrying about how Farage is going to react. Who cares? The frog faced grifting Lord Haw Haw has shown time and again how much he despises this country, and the contempt he has for the population. Like that other monumental prick Johnson, he couldn't give a damn about you whether you support him or not. The absolute fiasco going on in Kent, Cornwall, and Lancashire at the moment only serves as a warning as to what would happen if he got into power. We can't say we haven't been warned.
For the love of God, be bold, make changes that will have a real impact on people's lives. Highlight the good that immigration brings to this country. Point out to people that we NEED controlled immigration due to a falling birth rate since 1960, otherwise the care sector and the NHS will collapse, and state pension age will go up to about 75 because there won't be so many people paying in.
Launch Leveson II, to tackle the downright lies and falsehoods that appear in the press. Stop kowtowing and fawning to the Mango Mussolini every five minutes - tell him to stick his $1bn lawsuit against the BBC and back off now he's got his apology. Point out to those so called patriots backing him over the BBC, that that is not exactly patriotism. Quite the opposite.
Bring in radical measures on a whole host of things that could transform people's lives. Do it now, so that people feel the benefit by the next election. Make it so that any incoming party in 2029 if it's not Labour would dare not reverse this legislation because it would be political suicide.
Show some goddamned guts. Go on the front foot against the plastic patriots, and call them out for what they are. Stop worrying about whether you'll still be in Downing Street in 2030, and instead make the changes now. Better to look back and say, "Yeah, we lost, but we made a heck of a difference to people's lives" than "Well, we're still here, but have achieved nowt" - ye gods, even that lunatic Truss showed more courage than this during her catastrophic tenure, because that economic policy was what she believed in and had the courage of her convictions to do it.
For fecks sake, buck your ideas up. |  | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:29 - Nov 14 with 816 views | nrb1985 |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:20 - Nov 14 by LutherBlissett |
Everything is working so well that we'll have to consider UBI? Huh. |
Think you're conflating two entirely separate issues here. | | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:29 - Nov 14 with 815 views | Herbivore |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:20 - Nov 14 by Benters |
Spot on. |
Yet you support the biggest w@nker of all. A man paid public money that never turns up for his day job and spends all his time grifting to line his own pockets. A man who avoids paying tax to support the country he pretends to love. A man who is going to basically be Liz Truss but more racist if he ever gets a sniff of power. | |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:31 - Nov 14 with 804 views | nrb1985 |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:19 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
So that's a no then. |
Correct - having lived on two continents and three countries I see how people in other countries enjoy a considerably higher standard of living than the UK under the existing form of what you call capitalism.
I've answered your question, you answer mine? | | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:31 - Nov 14 with 798 views | LutherBlissett |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:29 - Nov 14 by nrb1985 |
Think you're conflating two entirely separate issues here. |
Why? You're talking about productivity and demographics, two things (like almost everything) that fall under the purview of capitalism, and in this case your preferred systyem of late capitalism that doesn't seem robust enough to deal with the challenges brought by AI and mass automation. | | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:32 - Nov 14 with 796 views | Benters |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:29 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
Yet you support the biggest w@nker of all. A man paid public money that never turns up for his day job and spends all his time grifting to line his own pockets. A man who avoids paying tax to support the country he pretends to love. A man who is going to basically be Liz Truss but more racist if he ever gets a sniff of power. |
Time for change innit. | |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:33 - Nov 14 with 783 views | Herbivore |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:31 - Nov 14 by nrb1985 |
Correct - having lived on two continents and three countries I see how people in other countries enjoy a considerably higher standard of living than the UK under the existing form of what you call capitalism.
I've answered your question, you answer mine? |
Maybe think outside your box a bit, mate. Which countries are you referring to out of interest that have this amazing standard of living that are otherwise comparable to the UK? | |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:35 - Nov 14 with 770 views | Herbivore |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:32 - Nov 14 by Benters |
Time for change innit. |
A change for the worse. And he's not really a change, he's about as establishment figure as you could get. A career politician who doesn't want to change the status quo but just wants the power to make him and his mates richer. It's a shame people like you are easily hoodwinked by grifters like Farage. It's easy to see what he is if you just open your eyes for a bit. | |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:38 - Nov 14 with 750 views | chicoazul |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:32 - Nov 14 by Benters |
Time for change innit. |
It is benters yes but Farage is not change, he is a continuity candidate. But he’s going to quit in the next few months by informed accounts, he doesn’t actually want to be in power when the real money is in eternal opposition. | |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:39 - Nov 14 with 743 views | nrb1985 |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:33 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
Maybe think outside your box a bit, mate. Which countries are you referring to out of interest that have this amazing standard of living that are otherwise comparable to the UK? |
"Maybe think outside your box a bit, mate" - your outside the box is another man's total nonsense.
And I've lived in Singapore (interspersed with 6 month stint in Japan), Switzerland and the UK. Have also spent time in the UAE but I don't really make that comparable with anywhere else.
But if you look at the US and even France - while people are obviously unhappy about things like rising inflation, the standard of living there is considerably higher than here in aggregate. [Post edited 14 Nov 2025 9:41]
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:43 - Nov 14 with 724 views | Herbivore |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:39 - Nov 14 by nrb1985 |
"Maybe think outside your box a bit, mate" - your outside the box is another man's total nonsense.
And I've lived in Singapore (interspersed with 6 month stint in Japan), Switzerland and the UK. Have also spent time in the UAE but I don't really make that comparable with anywhere else.
But if you look at the US and even France - while people are obviously unhappy about things like rising inflation, the standard of living there is considerably higher than here in aggregate. [Post edited 14 Nov 2025 9:41]
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I wouldn't describe Switzerland or Singapore as comparable countries to the UK.
Just seen your edit. The US is a third world country for a decent chunk of the population. It might be good for the upper middle classes but it's not a country we should be aspiring to be like. Standard of living is also quite a hard thing to measure, but this suggests that the US is slightly better or slightly worse than us depending on the source and metrics whereas France is worse on both metrics/sources used: https://worldpopulationreview. [Post edited 14 Nov 2025 9:46]
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:44 - Nov 14 with 724 views | Trequartista |
"I don’t think I would begrudge paying a few P more in tax providing things would get better on the whole"
I think if you asked people the majority would say they wouldn't begrudge it, I think if you had a secret ballot and asked people, they would. Human nature to protect oneself and one's family.
And would things get better? We're paying the highest tax burden in history and still there's a huge deficit. It doesn't ever seem to get better. [Post edited 14 Nov 2025 9:47]
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:47 - Nov 14 with 700 views | noggin |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:39 - Nov 14 by nrb1985 |
"Maybe think outside your box a bit, mate" - your outside the box is another man's total nonsense.
And I've lived in Singapore (interspersed with 6 month stint in Japan), Switzerland and the UK. Have also spent time in the UAE but I don't really make that comparable with anywhere else.
But if you look at the US and even France - while people are obviously unhappy about things like rising inflation, the standard of living there is considerably higher than here in aggregate. [Post edited 14 Nov 2025 9:41]
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"But if you look at the US and even France - while people are obviously unhappy about things like rising inflation, the standard of living there is considerably higher than here in aggregate."
I'm guessing you weren't meaning Mississippi or Louisiana? [Post edited 14 Nov 2025 9:49]
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:49 - Nov 14 with 691 views | TNBlue |
This is why Starmer has to go. The guy has no balls. He's wimped out of a difficult decision. This is not a leader we need. | | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:49 - Nov 14 with 682 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:09 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
So you don't know how exactly but it's definitely going to make things better. Cool.
We've already seen advances in technology over time have eroded jobs in things like manufacturing and agriculture. The kind of jobs that replaced them, office jobs and jobs in the service sector, will ultimately be cut drastically by AI as it progresses. What kind of jobs do you think will replace them? Salaries are almost always the biggest cost base for any business, there is no incentive for business to create replacement jobs when they can increase profits by shifting to AI. It won't be sustainable of course because if nobody has a job then nobody can afford to spend but I've yet to see many credible solutions being proposed for that particular problem. |
Nevermind all that just invest in it, it's the future! |  |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:51 - Nov 14 with 677 views | bsw72 |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 08:48 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
What an absolute shit show. Just as chaotic and incompetent as their predecessors at this point. Looking forward to the centrist dads explaining why we're so much better off with a Labour government that's more or less indistinguishable from Cameron's Tories. |
In the last 10 years we have had the referendum, pandemic, ukraine invasion all impacting the financial markets across Europe and with a direct impact on the UK.
Maybe the problem is not the people in charge as much as the system underpinning it all and needs a more fundamental change.
After all the the "definition" of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. |  | | |
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