| Kasey McAteer Fan Club 07:15 - Nov 26 with 2689 views | cookra |
It is easy to be negative when a player has a high price tag over their head.
However, i believe that he is a real asset.
His work rate is fantastic down the right. Looking into stats he is stopping the left back from pushing up so highly and holding the ball up well when in possession, rarely losing it.
Kasey McAteer’s start at Ipswich Town has been about laying solid foundations—showing adaptability, strong work ethic, and tactical discipline. While the attacking output will need to come, his integration into a competitive squad and positive mentality suggest he could become an important figure as Ipswich push for promotion.
Can anyone recognize the positives he contributes, or are we simply following the chorus of criticism [Post edited 26 Nov 7:16]
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| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 11:18 - Nov 26 with 557 views | billlm |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 07:39 - Nov 26 by homer_123 |
I haven't seen anyone question his work rate or attitude.
In fact the opposite to be fair.
I'd like to see a little more end product in the final third, an assist or goal or two would be nice. |
Tbf he's put in some good crosses across the box where none of our strikers have been
I'm aware we tend to pull the ball back for the chaplin role but he's been a bit unlucky could have had a couple of assists by now,
Also aware he's put some shocking balls across,
His work rate is high, hope he doesn't continually get bashed on forums, |  | | |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 11:20 - Nov 26 with 547 views | MrPotatoHead |
I've not been very impressed with him tbh. There's no doubt he works hard and physically I can see all the reasons we bought him, I just think Harness and Jackson worked hard and we didn't need to spend £11m to sign an athlete. Really has been very poor on the ball IMO, not just once or twice but routinely. We have to see much more quality from him. |  | | |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 11:20 - Nov 26 with 544 views | SomethingBlue |
Definitely worth listening to what KM says about the need for balance in a team and the job he – undeniably to anyone with eyes – did on the very dangerous Giles.
Nice subtle pass to Nunez in second half for a chance, which reminded me a bit of his smart lay-off that brought about our penalty at Bristol City, an example of what he can bring that maybe Ogbene (for example) doesn't have.
Hopefully more follows offensively but the lad is still establishing a foothold with us, it's barely been five full games, and if he's helping us navigate tough away games it's a decent start. |  |
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| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 11:22 - Nov 26 with 515 views | Chris_ITFC |
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Jack Clarke Fan Club by Chris_ITFC 10 Nov 17:17Yeah, always been a trier. I’m sure that’s part of why we signed him, aside from just being the next best thing to Philogene (at that time).
https://i.ibb.co/BKGTLkR3/IMG-3126.jpg
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| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 11:56 - Nov 26 with 475 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 11:15 - Nov 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Not disputing your stats, and agree that they need improving, but for balance his key defensive stats are very good, which I suspect is one of his objectives from KmK (and defensively we sure needed shoring up from early in the season) AND his chances created per 90 is near the top in the division. |
I said that, looks great off the ball and 3/4s of that is pure work rate, the intangible stuff.
But he's one of 4 players being trusted to get the attacking returns. In his last Champ season Wes Burns had 6 goals and provided 10 assists.
That should really be the minimum expectation for KM.
I hope he continues to improve but the stats tell us he's being outperformed in the attacking phases by at least half the division in his position. | | | |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 12:00 - Nov 26 with 469 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 07:39 - Nov 26 by homer_123 |
I haven't seen anyone question his work rate or attitude.
In fact the opposite to be fair.
I'd like to see a little more end product in the final third, an assist or goal or two would be nice. |
Could also say the same about the Championship record signing, but people just focus on giving Mcateer grief | |
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| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 12:04 - Nov 26 with 455 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 12:00 - Nov 26 by southnorfolkblue |
Could also say the same about the Championship record signing, but people just focus on giving Mcateer grief |
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Egeli's had 4 goal involvements so far
2 assists
https://footystats.org/players/norway/sindre-walle-egeli
and he's 19, in a new country in a new league in a position he's done before but not usually in.
Mcateer, 0 goal contributions, 0 assists, in a league he knows, is also 24. [Post edited 26 Nov 12:05]
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| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 12:20 - Nov 26 with 428 views | SomethingBlue |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 12:04 - Nov 26 by FrimleyBlue |
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Egeli's had 4 goal involvements so far
2 assists
https://footystats.org/players/norway/sindre-walle-egeli
and he's 19, in a new country in a new league in a position he's done before but not usually in.
Mcateer, 0 goal contributions, 0 assists, in a league he knows, is also 24. [Post edited 26 Nov 12:05]
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But maybe it's occurred to you that they are not there to do exactly the same thing. | |
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| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 12:21 - Nov 26 with 423 views | BouncebackIpswich |
This thread reeks of clutching at straws, yes he's got a good attitude and works hard but the quality is just not there. |  | | |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 12:25 - Nov 26 with 411 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 12:20 - Nov 26 by SomethingBlue |
But maybe it's occurred to you that they are not there to do exactly the same thing. |
I was replying to a poster who i believed was saying egeli had not shown any end product.
In regards to jobs, they both do the same role, mcateer is better defensively, but that's not suprising considering he's been doing that role for a number of years already, in this country and this league in comparision to egeli. | |
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| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 12:42 - Nov 26 with 387 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 11:16 - Nov 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Think most acknowledged what he did off the ball, it was on the ball which was the issue again and i noticed KM didn't have anything to add on that front about his performance either.
At that level of football the minimum imo of any player should be being able to restrict a players attacking threat and follow directions, he did that so off course good work, but I dont agree with the op that he controlled the ball well etc.
Think Egeli and the Akpom subs last night showed we are about to see a change and perhaps the return of wes soon. It'll then be interesting to see who gets the right hand nod. |
Everyone agrees (well it seems that most people agree) that McAteer needs to improve in some areas, but many seem blind to his contribution, and where he's out performing his peers. For example, his 'chances created per 90' is better than Wes and Hutch in the promotion season, and better than SWE this season.
There's more to him than his 'minimum expected' defensive attributes, as you put it (which has been excellent, and shouldn't be so easily dismissed), but with the chances he's creating, all that's currently between him and a good assist figure are the other players in the team. And yes, he needs to be more clinical (but he's not the only one).
McAteer is a very different player to Hutch, who was a joy to watch, but wing play isn't all about flamboyant skills - it's about end product. So, yes we need to see more end product from McAteer, but that's not entirely down to him. If his chance creation continues as it is, he will be making a significant contribution during the season.
Biggest thing for me is being more clinical, as he does get into good positions - maybe that just needs a first goal, and some confidence.
So no, he's far from perfect, but many are totally concentrating on the current negatives in his game, and seem to be dismissive of the good that he is doing. | | | |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 12:51 - Nov 26 with 369 views | RIPbobby |
Sorry I haven't read anybodies replies, but I concur with this. I said quite early he is our new Kayden Jackson, quick, fit and strong. He is perfect for an away match where we need to keep it tight for 60 minutes, before we bring on the finishers to take apart a tiring side. Last night was a classic ITFC away match. Bravo. |  | | |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 13:31 - Nov 26 with 320 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 12:42 - Nov 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Everyone agrees (well it seems that most people agree) that McAteer needs to improve in some areas, but many seem blind to his contribution, and where he's out performing his peers. For example, his 'chances created per 90' is better than Wes and Hutch in the promotion season, and better than SWE this season.
There's more to him than his 'minimum expected' defensive attributes, as you put it (which has been excellent, and shouldn't be so easily dismissed), but with the chances he's creating, all that's currently between him and a good assist figure are the other players in the team. And yes, he needs to be more clinical (but he's not the only one).
McAteer is a very different player to Hutch, who was a joy to watch, but wing play isn't all about flamboyant skills - it's about end product. So, yes we need to see more end product from McAteer, but that's not entirely down to him. If his chance creation continues as it is, he will be making a significant contribution during the season.
Biggest thing for me is being more clinical, as he does get into good positions - maybe that just needs a first goal, and some confidence.
So no, he's far from perfect, but many are totally concentrating on the current negatives in his game, and seem to be dismissive of the good that he is doing. |
Do you mind me asking where your stats are from as the below as egeli above mcateer
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/27195/players/total_att_ass
Im completely open to mcateers positive attacking points. Im just being honest the eye test just hasn't shown me anything to get excited about but more frustration when ever he gets the ball. He seems to make the wrong choice alot and the ball bobbles off him out of play a fair bit.
But im open to watching him more closely on Friday or when ever he plays next to see if im indeed missing something about him. | |
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| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 13:56 - Nov 26 with 296 views | tractorshark |
I've been pretty critical of McAteer but I thought last night that was his best performance for us.
In the first half, he was one of the few who actually showed a bit of urgency and desire, the same couldn't be said of Cajuste and Clarke who both gifted possession way too easily.
McAteer did fade in the second half though and undoubtedly the subs, including Walle, massively turned the game.
The fee is not his fault, so I won't beat him with that stick.
But the worrying thing for me is his end product. I watched his debut at Preston and he missed a great chance to equalise. And that hasn't been a one-off, his finishing and shooting is very poor from what we've seen.
But McKenna obviously sees something and when we look back at how Philogene and Clarke were last season (albeit in a much better standard), maybe he will come good once he completely settles.
In contrast, Walle seems to be growing in confidence and looking better and better each week. | | | |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 14:56 - Nov 26 with 243 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 13:31 - Nov 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Do you mind me asking where your stats are from as the below as egeli above mcateer
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/27195/players/total_att_ass
Im completely open to mcateers positive attacking points. Im just being honest the eye test just hasn't shown me anything to get excited about but more frustration when ever he gets the ball. He seems to make the wrong choice alot and the ball bobbles off him out of play a fair bit.
But im open to watching him more closely on Friday or when ever he plays next to see if im indeed missing something about him. |
Of course I don't mind you asking - it's a reasonably question, and part of an open discussion.
FOTMOB :-)
I wonder if that summary page you're looking at isn't updated in real-time, whereas the individual stats pages get updated live during games, and will therefore be up-to-date from the end of last night's game. The summary page doesn't show minutes played to even compare.
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| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 16:19 - Nov 26 with 199 views | grow_our_own |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 14:56 - Nov 26 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Of course I don't mind you asking - it's a reasonably question, and part of an open discussion.
FOTMOB :-)
I wonder if that summary page you're looking at isn't updated in real-time, whereas the individual stats pages get updated live during games, and will therefore be up-to-date from the end of last night's game. The summary page doesn't show minutes played to even compare.
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Agree with the comparisons with Kayden Jackson. KJ served a role: athlete with good press. But this was in our L1 & Championship days. If we're now aiming higher, then we should also aim higher than KJ/McAteer. His stats are poor in the Championship, so he'll likely be a million miles from Prem quality. Selecting him starts to look foolish as soon as we concede and need a goal. Right side has been toothless with him all season. This is not my opinion, this is what empirical evidence is telling us. Yes early days, and I reserve the right to change my opinion if he starts getting goal involvements, but feels like he should be getting his attacking mojo in the U21s before pushing for a first team place ahead of the likes of Egeli, three game week or not. | | | |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 16:44 - Nov 26 with 166 views | itfcjoe |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 16:19 - Nov 26 by grow_our_own |
Agree with the comparisons with Kayden Jackson. KJ served a role: athlete with good press. But this was in our L1 & Championship days. If we're now aiming higher, then we should also aim higher than KJ/McAteer. His stats are poor in the Championship, so he'll likely be a million miles from Prem quality. Selecting him starts to look foolish as soon as we concede and need a goal. Right side has been toothless with him all season. This is not my opinion, this is what empirical evidence is telling us. Yes early days, and I reserve the right to change my opinion if he starts getting goal involvements, but feels like he should be getting his attacking mojo in the U21s before pushing for a first team place ahead of the likes of Egeli, three game week or not. |
He's only started a few games and we've generally performed well in them
Derby (h) - 2-2
Sheff U (h) - 5-0
Bristol City (a) - 1-1
Charlton (h) - 0-3
Swansea (a) - 4-1
Hull (a) - 2-0
6 starts
3 very good wins
1 decent draw (where his pass directly led to the equaliser)
1 frustrating draw
1 absolute stinker
The team obviously functions well with him in it, and think especially away from home he's going to be a big player for us this season (which won't further endear him to home supporters!)
But he obviously has started slowly, but is getting to gripsw ith things now and put in 2 decent performances in 2 well functioning away wins |  |
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| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 17:02 - Nov 26 with 139 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Kasey McAteer Fan Club on 16:19 - Nov 26 by grow_our_own |
Agree with the comparisons with Kayden Jackson. KJ served a role: athlete with good press. But this was in our L1 & Championship days. If we're now aiming higher, then we should also aim higher than KJ/McAteer. His stats are poor in the Championship, so he'll likely be a million miles from Prem quality. Selecting him starts to look foolish as soon as we concede and need a goal. Right side has been toothless with him all season. This is not my opinion, this is what empirical evidence is telling us. Yes early days, and I reserve the right to change my opinion if he starts getting goal involvements, but feels like he should be getting his attacking mojo in the U21s before pushing for a first team place ahead of the likes of Egeli, three game week or not. |
I assume you haven't read the earlier posts, as your reply to mine to Frimley is out of context? | | | |
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