| Philogene 09:25 - Nov 29 with 1812 views | LeoMuff |
An enigma, thought he was really poor last night lovely touch gets in a great position, terrible cross or pass.
However against Hull changed the game. |  |
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| Philogene on 09:27 - Nov 29 with 1644 views | cressi |
Just stop him cutting inside push him wide almost job done. |  | | |
| Philogene on 09:29 - Nov 29 with 1619 views | Dubtractor |
Yeah, He saw loads of the ball in the first half, often receiving in a bit of space (albeit with Oxford players between him and the goal), and more often than not failed to do anything useful.
A frustrating performance! Especially when we know what he can do. |  |
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| Philogene on 09:33 - Nov 29 with 1598 views | Bellevue_Blue |
He's incredibly frustrating, just totally fixated on cutting inside and shooting.
Clipped the below. Had he just got his head up he can put Nunez in here, instead he shoots from 25yards.
https://freeimage.host/i/fnaOAYl | | | |
| Philogene on 09:35 - Nov 29 with 1580 views | LeoMuff |
| Philogene on 09:33 - Nov 29 by Bellevue_Blue |
He's incredibly frustrating, just totally fixated on cutting inside and shooting.
Clipped the below. Had he just got his head up he can put Nunez in here, instead he shoots from 25yards.
https://freeimage.host/i/fnaOAYl |
Easy to say on a freeze frame but that does look a routine pass | |
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| Philogene on 09:41 - Nov 29 with 1549 views | Blue_Uprising |
| Philogene on 09:33 - Nov 29 by Bellevue_Blue |
He's incredibly frustrating, just totally fixated on cutting inside and shooting.
Clipped the below. Had he just got his head up he can put Nunez in here, instead he shoots from 25yards.
https://freeimage.host/i/fnaOAYl |
I think in theory that’s his best zone to play in. In the broadhead position.
please please can he concentrate on linking play rather than taking everyone on himself. Clarke is similar. When they get into a mode of linking play and making runs beyond the defenders in that left 10 role they actually look most dangerous. And ironically then have clearer opportunities for shots.
All too often they are both like that kid at school who never looked up and trusted ‘more limited’ players around them. |  | | |
| Philogene on 09:46 - Nov 29 with 1525 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Philogene on 09:41 - Nov 29 by Blue_Uprising |
I think in theory that’s his best zone to play in. In the broadhead position.
please please can he concentrate on linking play rather than taking everyone on himself. Clarke is similar. When they get into a mode of linking play and making runs beyond the defenders in that left 10 role they actually look most dangerous. And ironically then have clearer opportunities for shots.
All too often they are both like that kid at school who never looked up and trusted ‘more limited’ players around them. |
I honestly think that is the biggest difference now.
Broadhead - First thought in his head was who can I play in
Burns - How can I get outside my man and cross it
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Philogene - How can I cut inside and score
Egeli - How can I cut inside and score
McAteer - I'm just going to hit this cross/shot as hard as I can and hope for the best
I think with Clarke, he is atleast trying to link play much more [Post edited 29 Nov 10:00]
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| Philogene on 09:57 - Nov 29 with 1497 views | Blue_Uprising |
| Philogene on 09:46 - Nov 29 by Bellevue_Blue |
I honestly think that is the biggest difference now.
Broadhead - First thought in his head was who can I play in
Burns - How can I get outside my man and cross it
Vs
Philogene - How can I cut inside and score
Egeli - How can I cut inside and score
McAteer - I'm just going to hit this cross/shot as hard as I can and hope for the best
I think with Clarke, he is atleast trying to link play much more [Post edited 29 Nov 10:00]
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Yes this.
And for me this is the heart of our predictability paradox
By this I mean we are highly predictable for the opposition. But our own team can’t rely on our plays. E.g when broadhead got the ball davis knew if he made a good run he would be used. Hirst knew if he made a good run the slide rule pass was on. Same for burns - our players can expect a cross or cut back - Chaplin and Hirst know where to be,
Now the opposition know where the next move is going. Our team feel that the basic option will be ignored. Be interested in the stats on how many balls we essentially lose from wide positions without a chance being created. | | | |
| Philogene on 10:00 - Nov 29 with 1477 views | cbower |
He is a 'Highlights reel' player.
A compilation of his goals and best bits would have anybody drooling at this uber-talented exceptionally two-footed genius.
The reality is, however, his contribution is inconsistent, sometimes negligible and incredibly frustrating. There is a reason Villa sold him twice and we are seeing it for ourselves. |  |
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| Philogene on 10:00 - Nov 29 with 1477 views | thorpedo |
| Philogene on 09:46 - Nov 29 by Bellevue_Blue |
I honestly think that is the biggest difference now.
Broadhead - First thought in his head was who can I play in
Burns - How can I get outside my man and cross it
Vs
Philogene - How can I cut inside and score
Egeli - How can I cut inside and score
McAteer - I'm just going to hit this cross/shot as hard as I can and hope for the best
I think with Clarke, he is atleast trying to link play much more [Post edited 29 Nov 10:00]
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I can only remember Egeli going outside the fullback once - and that was a great assist v QPR. Since then it is cut inside every time. |  |
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| Philogene on 10:01 - Nov 29 with 1469 views | Swansea_Blue |
With Philogene and Egeli both obsessed with cutting inside, we’ve made the pitch very narrow. We seem to be hell bent on making it easier than it should be for the opposition. |  |
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| Philogene on 11:30 - Nov 29 with 1312 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Philogene on 10:01 - Nov 29 by Swansea_Blue |
With Philogene and Egeli both obsessed with cutting inside, we’ve made the pitch very narrow. We seem to be hell bent on making it easier than it should be for the opposition. |
Virtually every fan can see this.
Why can’t the manager? | |
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| Philogene on 11:42 - Nov 29 with 1281 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Philogene on 11:30 - Nov 29 by southnorfolkblue |
Virtually every fan can see this.
Why can’t the manager? |
He must see it. All I can assume is that KM wants them to use the overlap at times (we often have width, but ignore it). Sometimes the overlapping player is just dragging the opposition over to allow room for the ball carrier to cut inside, sometimes the overlapping player is the one in space. The problem is that neither Philogene, Clarke or Egeli seem to read the situation and know when to use the overlapping player. Their first thought is always to come inside. Then the overlap has to check their run to avoid being offside and the opportunity is lost. Surely KM wants Philogene /Clarke/Egeli to pick the better option and they’re just executing things badly? | |
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| Philogene on 11:45 - Nov 29 with 1272 views | TIB |
| Philogene on 09:27 - Nov 29 by cressi |
Just stop him cutting inside push him wide almost job done. |
Same with Clarke…he came on and had huge channels down flank to run into with the FB out of position but he’d hold ball up and look to go inside. I get that’s the tactic KM wants, but comes a point when you just say, drive into the space and drag those defenders to flanks so our strikers have more space to work in. [Post edited 29 Nov 11:46]
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| Philogene on 11:46 - Nov 29 with 1255 views | grow_our_own |
| Philogene on 09:46 - Nov 29 by Bellevue_Blue |
I honestly think that is the biggest difference now.
Broadhead - First thought in his head was who can I play in
Burns - How can I get outside my man and cross it
Vs
Philogene - How can I cut inside and score
Egeli - How can I cut inside and score
McAteer - I'm just going to hit this cross/shot as hard as I can and hope for the best
I think with Clarke, he is atleast trying to link play much more [Post edited 29 Nov 10:00]
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Yes I think this is what people are talking about when they describe us as a collection of individuals rather than a team. Clarke does the cut-inside-and-shoot routine too, but he's less of a one trick pony, and plays more with his head up as if he has a modicum of trust in his team-mates. This is why I've been calling for Clarke to be tried in the central 10 position. It's ludicrous to me how we've made it a law of physics that two of the best attackers in the league: Philogene and Clarke cannot both be on the pitch at the same time. It's like they're Clark Kent and Superman. This team is not using the full capabilities of the players at its disposal. [Post edited 29 Nov 11:47]
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| Philogene on 11:51 - Nov 29 with 1217 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Philogene on 09:46 - Nov 29 by Bellevue_Blue |
I honestly think that is the biggest difference now.
Broadhead - First thought in his head was who can I play in
Burns - How can I get outside my man and cross it
Vs
Philogene - How can I cut inside and score
Egeli - How can I cut inside and score
McAteer - I'm just going to hit this cross/shot as hard as I can and hope for the best
I think with Clarke, he is atleast trying to link play much more [Post edited 29 Nov 10:00]
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Great post. Difficult to thread incisive attacking moves together when our 2 wingers basically play as individuals. It's frustrating to see Jaden, Clarke and Egeli receive the ball in good positions, then take about 10 touches wandering towards the other byline before playing a short cross. McKenna needs to coach them to identify when the worldie is not on and to play one touch football to keep moves progressing quickly and pull opponents around.
However I did think Philogene got to the byline quite a bit last night so at least that adds a bit more variety but his crossing was often poor on his left which isn't usually the case. Egeli though is constantly turning into traffic and I think frankly he's not ready to be starting as much as he is, needs a lot more coaching and it's only because Mcateer is absolutely dog he is a starter. For all the money we spent on those 2 we are gagging for Wes Burns to come back! |  | | |
| Philogene on 12:12 - Nov 29 with 1183 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Philogene on 11:51 - Nov 29 by BouncebackIpswich |
Great post. Difficult to thread incisive attacking moves together when our 2 wingers basically play as individuals. It's frustrating to see Jaden, Clarke and Egeli receive the ball in good positions, then take about 10 touches wandering towards the other byline before playing a short cross. McKenna needs to coach them to identify when the worldie is not on and to play one touch football to keep moves progressing quickly and pull opponents around.
However I did think Philogene got to the byline quite a bit last night so at least that adds a bit more variety but his crossing was often poor on his left which isn't usually the case. Egeli though is constantly turning into traffic and I think frankly he's not ready to be starting as much as he is, needs a lot more coaching and it's only because Mcateer is absolutely dog he is a starter. For all the money we spent on those 2 we are gagging for Wes Burns to come back! |
100% re Wes Burns.
Just shows quite how poor our recruitment has been over the last two years when we are crying out for Wes to come back into the team. | | | |
| Philogene on 12:15 - Nov 29 with 1168 views | algy |
| Philogene on 11:30 - Nov 29 by southnorfolkblue |
Virtually every fan can see this.
Why can’t the manager? |
The players play exactly how KM coaches them to play. This squad built since summer 24 is the first squad in his career that KM has built and then worked with. Previously with us he was working with a squad whose core was built by Cook and that he supplemented with some excellent effective signings and coaching to two promotions. Previously as an academy coach and first team coach he coached the players he was given. KM has had a Manager's job for less than 4 years now and had truly his own team for less than 18 months. He is still learning. | |
| Veni Vidi Participatur. Now we can get back to competing. |
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| Philogene on 12:17 - Nov 29 with 1161 views | bournemouthblue |
Oxford went in pretty hard on our creative players and bullied them really
Philogene is better suited to home games for me, he is less effective against the low block when you need to break the lines
McAteer gets a lot of flack but really should have got more minutes last night, it never really worked for Walle Egeli either |  |
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| Philogene on 12:21 - Nov 29 with 1126 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Philogene on 12:12 - Nov 29 by Bellevue_Blue |
100% re Wes Burns.
Just shows quite how poor our recruitment has been over the last two years when we are crying out for Wes to come back into the team. |
Yes, I don't see how anyone could look at the evidence of the last 2 years and not conclude we have got our recruitment so, so wrong, some of the decisions have been borderline sackable tbh. Transfer policy has been chaotic, opportunistic and haphazard. It's sickening because clubs so rarely get these types of chances to really level up and we are frittering ours away. At least there's been a lot of investment in infrastructure. | | | |
| Philogene on 12:21 - Nov 29 with 1135 views | bournemouthblue |
| Philogene on 09:33 - Nov 29 by Bellevue_Blue |
He's incredibly frustrating, just totally fixated on cutting inside and shooting.
Clipped the below. Had he just got his head up he can put Nunez in here, instead he shoots from 25yards.
https://freeimage.host/i/fnaOAYl |
He is almost too talented for his own good, he has a Cristiano Ronaldo like greed to make the chance himself rather than pass to a player in a better position
I appreciate there has to be a balance and in the second half he did at least start to slot Davis in at times
He is one who does limit us at a side at times, you need to be selfless, hopefully he will learn that as time goes on | |
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| Philogene on 16:00 - Nov 29 with 985 views | cbower |
| Philogene on 11:42 - Nov 29 by Swansea_Blue |
He must see it. All I can assume is that KM wants them to use the overlap at times (we often have width, but ignore it). Sometimes the overlapping player is just dragging the opposition over to allow room for the ball carrier to cut inside, sometimes the overlapping player is the one in space. The problem is that neither Philogene, Clarke or Egeli seem to read the situation and know when to use the overlapping player. Their first thought is always to come inside. Then the overlap has to check their run to avoid being offside and the opportunity is lost. Surely KM wants Philogene /Clarke/Egeli to pick the better option and they’re just executing things badly? |
Yup, that's when coaching comes in, training them to make the right choices under game conditions. | |
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| Philogene on 16:19 - Nov 29 with 956 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Flashing hot and cold is a bit of an understatement with him isn’t it. He’s got all the tools but last night he done very little. Disagree he was bullied out of the game (although that would be worrying in itself) there was quite a few switches if the first half where he had a lot of space. |  |
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| Philogene on 18:03 - Nov 29 with 852 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Philogene on 11:42 - Nov 29 by Swansea_Blue |
He must see it. All I can assume is that KM wants them to use the overlap at times (we often have width, but ignore it). Sometimes the overlapping player is just dragging the opposition over to allow room for the ball carrier to cut inside, sometimes the overlapping player is the one in space. The problem is that neither Philogene, Clarke or Egeli seem to read the situation and know when to use the overlapping player. Their first thought is always to come inside. Then the overlap has to check their run to avoid being offside and the opportunity is lost. Surely KM wants Philogene /Clarke/Egeli to pick the better option and they’re just executing things badly? |
If he sees it and they're not doing it then hook them off at HT.
Make a statement that you he can't keep being ignored as its killing our ability in the forward line. |  |
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| Philogene on 07:58 - Nov 30 with 636 views | coote |
I don’t rate him in the slightest.
He’ll be one of those players that needs replacing in the next 18 months regardless of what league we’re in, he’ll eventually leave on a free transfer.
Complete waste of money. |  | | |
| Philogene on 08:08 - Nov 30 with 608 views | Churchman |
| Philogene on 09:46 - Nov 29 by Bellevue_Blue |
I honestly think that is the biggest difference now.
Broadhead - First thought in his head was who can I play in
Burns - How can I get outside my man and cross it
Vs
Philogene - How can I cut inside and score
Egeli - How can I cut inside and score
McAteer - I'm just going to hit this cross/shot as hard as I can and hope for the best
I think with Clarke, he is atleast trying to link play much more [Post edited 29 Nov 10:00]
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Agree with this, especially Clarke. I’d add that Chaplin floating around the box and with the ability to take snap shots gave them somebody to pass to. They could do with that now.
I think Egeli will be a terrific no 10, but he’s still to learn the game and to learn it in this country. |  | | |
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