| Stoke look quite good btw 12:57 - Nov 29 with 721 views | bournemouthblue |
they look confident and move the ball at a good pace with purpose
You'd hope both them and Coventry will at least try and go a bit more toe to toe with us |  |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 12:59 - Nov 29 with 569 views | CopfordBlue |
They look like a team, as do Coventry. Player for player Leeds were far better than us in 23/24 but we played like a team week in, week out. They didn’t. |  |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:02 - Nov 29 with 551 views | Herbivore |
They look better going forward than they do defensively. Hopefully they'll try to give us a game of football rather than just stick ten men behind the ball. |  |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:04 - Nov 29 with 528 views | bournemouthblue |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 12:59 - Nov 29 by CopfordBlue |
They look like a team, as do Coventry. Player for player Leeds were far better than us in 23/24 but we played like a team week in, week out. They didn’t. |
I actually think McKenna is trying to model us on Leeds a bit, with the view that style may work better in the PL, not that this is relevant currently
Tempo is a massive problem at times, possession and control are pointless if you are ineffective in that final third | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:06 - Nov 29 with 514 views | Chrisd |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:02 - Nov 29 by Herbivore |
They look better going forward than they do defensively. Hopefully they'll try to give us a game of football rather than just stick ten men behind the ball. |
It’s more up to us to be better in breaking down teams that don’t want to come out and play and that’s their prerogative. Walking football against teams with a low block won’t do it. | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:07 - Nov 29 with 506 views | LankHenners |
Coventry will but not sure about Stoke - only conceded 12 goals so far this season and while they might not go full park the bus, think they're very capable of sitting in resolutely and waiting to unleash Thomas and Manhoef on the break. |  |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:08 - Nov 29 with 479 views | Herbivore |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:06 - Nov 29 by Chrisd |
It’s more up to us to be better in breaking down teams that don’t want to come out and play and that’s their prerogative. Walking football against teams with a low block won’t do it. |
You're right, the onus is on us but it's not a simple case of moving the ball quickly when there's a massed defence because they'll just hold their positions and not leave you the space to play through them. We need to be more clinical, in virtually all of our more frustrating results we've had ample opportunities to get a result but we've not taken them. | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:15 - Nov 29 with 449 views | Chrisd |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:08 - Nov 29 by Herbivore |
You're right, the onus is on us but it's not a simple case of moving the ball quickly when there's a massed defence because they'll just hold their positions and not leave you the space to play through them. We need to be more clinical, in virtually all of our more frustrating results we've had ample opportunities to get a result but we've not taken them. |
We don’t create enough in that final third and it is about moving the ball quicker as it gets players out of position, we are far too predictable the way we play. Last night, another good example we get in good positions but how many times was Cummings called into action? Walton was the busier keeper. Against us we are quite easy to defend against, we play a lot in front of teams and this is a problem with modern football. [Post edited 29 Nov 13:16]
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:18 - Nov 29 with 423 views | Herbivore |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:15 - Nov 29 by Chrisd |
We don’t create enough in that final third and it is about moving the ball quicker as it gets players out of position, we are far too predictable the way we play. Last night, another good example we get in good positions but how many times was Cummings called into action? Walton was the busier keeper. Against us we are quite easy to defend against, we play a lot in front of teams and this is a problem with modern football. [Post edited 29 Nov 13:16]
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Not hitting the target doesn't mean we aren't creating chances, it means we aren't talking them. Egeli had two good chances first half but didn't hit the target with either of them. We're creating a more than decent amount, we're the second most creative side in the division behind Coventry, we can't rely on needing 30 chances a game to get a couple of goals, we need to start being more clinical.
Edit: Just seen we've actually created more big chances than Coventry this season now, but we're top for both big chances created and big chances missed. That's our problem. [Post edited 29 Nov 13:21]
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:22 - Nov 29 with 386 views | Chrisd |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:18 - Nov 29 by Herbivore |
Not hitting the target doesn't mean we aren't creating chances, it means we aren't talking them. Egeli had two good chances first half but didn't hit the target with either of them. We're creating a more than decent amount, we're the second most creative side in the division behind Coventry, we can't rely on needing 30 chances a game to get a couple of goals, we need to start being more clinical.
Edit: Just seen we've actually created more big chances than Coventry this season now, but we're top for both big chances created and big chances missed. That's our problem. [Post edited 29 Nov 13:21]
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Hitting the target is making keepers do their job and we’ve not done that enough full-stop this season and that’s something we can agree on. Cummings wasn’t overly troubled last night, I think he’d have expected to be far busier than he was going into that fixture and that’s quite a common narrative for us this season. | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:24 - Nov 29 with 376 views | Herbivore |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:22 - Nov 29 by Chrisd |
Hitting the target is making keepers do their job and we’ve not done that enough full-stop this season and that’s something we can agree on. Cummings wasn’t overly troubled last night, I think he’d have expected to be far busier than he was going into that fixture and that’s quite a common narrative for us this season. |
Sure but not hitting the target is a different issue to not creating chances. We are creating chances, we're not clinical enough with those chances. Too many attacking players either haven't scored or have just the one goal to their name. We need a couple of them to take off and start hitting the target more regularly. | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:32 - Nov 29 with 346 views | Chrisd |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:24 - Nov 29 by Herbivore |
Sure but not hitting the target is a different issue to not creating chances. We are creating chances, we're not clinical enough with those chances. Too many attacking players either haven't scored or have just the one goal to their name. We need a couple of them to take off and start hitting the target more regularly. |
Hitting the target is why we’ve spent millions on attacking players that should be doing better at this level and making the difference. That’s why we paid these amounts for these players, but they’ve looked far from convincing. | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:35 - Nov 29 with 342 views | billlm |
With pace are you swearing,
I'm pretty sure that's not a requirement of a championship team,
Or at least I haven't seen it lately, |  | | |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:37 - Nov 29 with 330 views | bournemouthblue |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:08 - Nov 29 by Herbivore |
You're right, the onus is on us but it's not a simple case of moving the ball quickly when there's a massed defence because they'll just hold their positions and not leave you the space to play through them. We need to be more clinical, in virtually all of our more frustrating results we've had ample opportunities to get a result but we've not taken them. |
One solution is getting a lot of balls into the box and getting headers in, however most of our aerial threat is the defenders and Hirst
It definitely isn't our strength, Keiffer Moore helped with this when we loaned him, he was basically a low block counter measure to some extent | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:39 - Nov 29 with 318 views | bournemouthblue |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:18 - Nov 29 by Herbivore |
Not hitting the target doesn't mean we aren't creating chances, it means we aren't talking them. Egeli had two good chances first half but didn't hit the target with either of them. We're creating a more than decent amount, we're the second most creative side in the division behind Coventry, we can't rely on needing 30 chances a game to get a couple of goals, we need to start being more clinical.
Edit: Just seen we've actually created more big chances than Coventry this season now, but we're top for both big chances created and big chances missed. That's our problem. [Post edited 29 Nov 13:21]
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Coventry probably have three better striking options than us and a midfielder in Torp who is getting a good return of goals as well | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:41 - Nov 29 with 312 views | bournemouthblue |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:24 - Nov 29 by Herbivore |
Sure but not hitting the target is a different issue to not creating chances. We are creating chances, we're not clinical enough with those chances. Too many attacking players either haven't scored or have just the one goal to their name. We need a couple of them to take off and start hitting the target more regularly. |
I'd argue that quality of chance is important as well, Oxford did limit us in the first half to half chances really
Second half we should have done better with some of them, there was that play at the end where I'm not quite sure how we didn't score [Post edited 29 Nov 14:06]
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:41 - Nov 29 with 313 views | Smoresy |
Sorba Thomas, £2m or less, what a pick-up. When Leif was lighting up the assists table in 23/24, it was another man who finished highest in the less sexy xA table: Thomas. He was also the only player to create more chances than Leif when adjusted for time on the pitch. But he played for Huddersfield, who had Rudoni at the time and nobody else. He's returned from Ligue 1 and picked up where he left off. | | | |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:43 - Nov 29 with 295 views | bournemouthblue |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:41 - Nov 29 by Smoresy |
Sorba Thomas, £2m or less, what a pick-up. When Leif was lighting up the assists table in 23/24, it was another man who finished highest in the less sexy xA table: Thomas. He was also the only player to create more chances than Leif when adjusted for time on the pitch. But he played for Huddersfield, who had Rudoni at the time and nobody else. He's returned from Ligue 1 and picked up where he left off. |
Double post N/T [Post edited 29 Nov 14:08]
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:44 - Nov 29 with 286 views | bournemouthblue |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:41 - Nov 29 by Smoresy |
Sorba Thomas, £2m or less, what a pick-up. When Leif was lighting up the assists table in 23/24, it was another man who finished highest in the less sexy xA table: Thomas. He was also the only player to create more chances than Leif when adjusted for time on the pitch. But he played for Huddersfield, who had Rudoni at the time and nobody else. He's returned from Ligue 1 and picked up where he left off. |
He has always been very talented but inconsistent
We aren't really at a stage where we gamble now but you have to say it is paying off for Stoke
Edit: Your stat there suggests he isn't as inconsistent as Huddersfield fans would tell you | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:57 - Nov 29 with 243 views | Simonds92 |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:08 - Nov 29 by Herbivore |
You're right, the onus is on us but it's not a simple case of moving the ball quickly when there's a massed defence because they'll just hold their positions and not leave you the space to play through them. We need to be more clinical, in virtually all of our more frustrating results we've had ample opportunities to get a result but we've not taken them. |
I think not moving the ball quickly enough is a massive factor for us this season. We dick around with it at the back and once we bring them on to us we do tend to break the press, only for us to hold it to long / cut back inside and allow the opposition to get back in to their set positions. [Post edited 29 Nov 14:02]
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 14:08 - Nov 29 with 198 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Manhoef on the right is a super player. |  |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 14:10 - Nov 29 with 190 views | bournemouthblue |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 14:08 - Nov 29 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Manhoef on the right is a super player. |
Am I right in thinking their right back is a beast as well?
They have compiled quite a strong side on paper, under the radar | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 14:11 - Nov 29 with 182 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 14:10 - Nov 29 by bournemouthblue |
Am I right in thinking their right back is a beast as well?
They have compiled quite a strong side on paper, under the radar |
Junior Tchamedu. Was down the road at colchester.
He is a real handful. Fast, Powerful, dribbles well. Still only 21 and played nearly 200 games. | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 14:14 - Nov 29 with 172 views | bournemouthblue |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 14:11 - Nov 29 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Junior Tchamedu. Was down the road at colchester.
He is a real handful. Fast, Powerful, dribbles well. Still only 21 and played nearly 200 games. |
He must have a high shelf, if he is any good defensively, PL sides will want him | |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 14:16 - Nov 29 with 166 views | Bent_double |
| Stoke look quite good btw on 13:57 - Nov 29 by Simonds92 |
I think not moving the ball quickly enough is a massive factor for us this season. We dick around with it at the back and once we bring them on to us we do tend to break the press, only for us to hold it to long / cut back inside and allow the opposition to get back in to their set positions. [Post edited 29 Nov 14:02]
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Another thing we're not doing this season is running teams into the ground.
Two seasons ago, we were relentless, once the ref blew the final whistle in many games some of the opposition players would just lay on the pitch, exhausted, probably thinking, "wtf just happened?"
Not happening so much this season - could be that every other team has upped their fitness levels, or we just don't push as much as we should. Or a combination of the two, who knows.
I know we shouldn't still be harking back to how it was last time in the Championship, so much has changed, KM needs to change his approach a bit too. |  |
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| Stoke look quite good btw on 14:19 - Nov 29 with 149 views | TresBonne |
Hull last min winner, 2-1! |  | | |
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